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Is Imran Khan’s approach to India’s aggression correct?

I never stated that we should behave like indians and never will!
If i'd think like that I would ask for abhinandan's execution but instead I mentioned a different strategy.
They "bhartis" will keep asking for a war unless you humiliate them to a point they will stop.
IK let their pilot go in efforts of peace and few days after that their submarine was too close to our coast.
They will not stop ... they r blinded by their media ... dont you see that most of the indians believed they won the current conflict ?

You do realize in the 1960s, India did offer a significant part of the Valley to you and Bhutto demanded that India hand over Buddhist majority Ladakh as well as Hindu majority Jammu as well.
Can you please share the reference ...

Even if this is correct can we stop living in past and work togather for a better prosperous future to correct mistakes of both nations we did in past
 
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ok...what is wrong with it? We did suffer environmental loss..It should be documented and now it is! So in future if someone says there were terrorists there we can say it was trees we even raised a voice against it...We even made a complaint at international levels...meaning we arent hiding anything [so it serves more than 1 purpose and documentation at higher levels will only play in our favour]



May I know who said that? Our sovereignty was taken up on international level also. We showcased that we have the right to defend since our LOC was violated...No one could even say the opposite or claim we were violators! We played it as best we could!

I think you dont understand what governance means...it def does not mean to become like Modi and to fall like the fate of Modi!

Modi did what you are asking us to do and exactly where does he stand right now?


This new found image is still being built! You can only lie so far that we are aggressors...when we appear to be the one holding the flower of peace!

As for Pakistan's vested interest...It is def not falling as low as Modi! It is Modi who would have acted as blood thirsty as he is had he a PAF pilot. We showed the world we are not him, nor like him! We are peaceful country, leader and people!

It is not treason to raise the world from Pakistan using force to Pakistan preaching peace!

And our vested interest is NOT TO BECOME LIKE MODI OR INDIA! Do you remember how "peacefully" Modi dealt with Gujrat and you that were his own people and you want us to do that on international stage for what? To be labelled as Modi's twin?


No forceful fits have ever won anything!
Winning a war starts with winning hearts....If you can stop a war before it happens, then you are victorious! Nothing less! Those who see it as less are Modi's supporters who see peace as a sign of weakness..Dont forget Islam is a religion of peace...We need to show that side! The side never preached by screaming Mullahs! The side hidden by media and the side that is left out in speeches! Our Nabi's side!


You actually think that?
Then I am sorry to say you are naive!

What actually would have happened would be Pakistan blamed for not handing over pilot, being the start of a war no one wanted or can afford and being seen as a war monger because we are a Muslim country [and not eyed very well the burden of the blame would have been thrown on us] we have more responsibilities than falling to our ego of punishing!

2ndly, right now we
bombed their land
downed their jets
got their pilot and returned him in 1 piece
proved their lies!

We established
we can bomb them, but we chose not to! - Not that we cant. It is a choice of the the upper hand
PAF is not dead
We adhere to world laws even in such times [just like Islam tells us]
Our media isnt war mongering as theirs!


1) If our ego was polished as you claim, we would have punched india like a blind bull [more or less like they are trying to throw everything except the kitchen sink at us hoping something sticks- Now that is ego bruised...] As for polishing our ego- How does ego come when you are the one who has to bow for peace? Islam says one who makes Sullah between 2 is great! So, how on earth are you viewing us less great when ALLAH views us great?

2) As for noble peace prize IK rejected it claimed anyone who can resolve Kashmir issue should get it!

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...arty-tweets-in-hindi/articleshow/68258378.cms

How is that ego? If he was egoistic, he would have said yes please vote for me for Noble prize!

3) How are we accused for what you claimed? We have been accused for it since decades...Now taking the opposite stand should mitigate that accusation!

4) We did highlight india's true intends of not wanting peace...How they werent the one who reached out, but it was us who reached out! Not them...so peace doesnt come naturally to them!


All what you are saying is what has happened in the past due to silence..this time we were not silent and we didnt play like the past coz even india was at a loss of words with our stand!

As for sympathizing...the only sympathy india is getting is that they have a blood thirst leader with a terrible unprofessional media who cant tell right from wrong!

As for epitome of peace- mind you that was the stand of my Nabi too! He struck peace even with a Jewish tribe - do you think being a Nabi he didnt know of the consequences? He did..but he was an example so he showed it ...that peace comes before your fears of consequences!

As for few comments and articles abt ego---THOSE few comments and articles will be positive news of Pakistan something we Pakistanis are dying for! A person who can come up as victorious in positive light!


Try reading your own...Sounds no different to the indian media and people who are crying for war, ghus kay marna and whatnot!

How? You think an egoistic person agrees to peace? THAT is how you tell who is the one with ego!

Wrong analogy...A murderer sneaks into your home but you get up in time and make an FIR with the police...It is not up to you now to go shoot the murderer...If the police is corrupt what can you do? Be a vigilante? You have registered your FIR with proof and of the damage to your garden that occurred...Now you wait! If the murderer comes back, you have every right to shoot him coz you already have an FIR and so police knows this guy is dangerous ...


You think Afghanistan is not a nation state? Then you are mistaken!


Who wants to win their hearts? You do! You want us to behave like them and give them what they want....proof we are equally blood thirsty!

We gave them the opposite and it sent them in a stream of gymnastics!

You need to think outside your "WHAT IS INDIAN DOING/ WHAT WILL INDIA DO/ WHAT HAS INDIA GOT/ WHO IS SUPPORTING INDIA/ WHAT WILL INDIA THINK OF US" habits!

Giving examples from Quran and Sunnah to defend an act of wrong judgement (to use the least offensive words). Now let's see the fire of your faith. How about you open up a thread, and quote Quran and Sunnah against the following:

https://images.dawn.com/news/118207...-followers-but-who-is-behind-the-viral-videos

Instagram account Swinery has over 26k followers, but who is behind the viral videos?
PUBLISHED ABOUT 5 HOURS AGO
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SANAM MAHER

We talk to the girl behind the viral account and here's what she has to say about her online popularity.

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Some fans say they’re going to make sure she hits 100,000 or 200,000 followers. They love her.


If you spend enough time on social media, this will make sense: in the last few days, a 30-second video of an animated blue-faced man with dreadlocks, singing an Atif Aslam song the way we would all sing if no one was watching, has racked up more than 40,000 views.

Spend enough time on social media and you know I’m talking about Swinery. You will also know that describing a Swinery video to someone who hasn’t heard of Swinery ruins it.

‘Swinery’ is an anonymous Instagram account featuring short clips of animated characters including a judgmental auntie who dislikes her friend Shazia’s daughter, the kind of man who knows the precise point at which the hem of your shalwar should hit above your ankle, an alien who would like you to know that there is no gas, bijli or paani on Mars, and a foul-mouthed, bubblegum pink pig who wants everyone to stop saying ‘bacon strips,’ because he would never do something like that. See, I told you that describing the videos ruins them.

Swinery has been gaining followers so rapidly that Instagram, suspicious of the deluge, temporarily blocked its creator from posting new videos this week. Who are these viewers? Aside from a message in Swinery’s inbox from a young man named Khushal Yousafzai saying his sister Malala is a fan, viewers are no longer restricted to Instagram — Swinery’s videos are now forwarded on WhatsApp.



What’s so funny about an animated pig questioning why he’s haraam? It is funny in the way that any image, video or phrase becomes funny once it goes viral and becomes part of the shorthand of internet-speak, a language we’ve all learned well enough to play with (see: videos of Indian pilot Abhinandan Varthaman that have been used for chai memes, dubbed in Sindhi, and mined for uncle jokes with the punchline “I’m sorry, I can’t tell you that.”). If you were at an Aurat March and saw women holding signs saying ‘I am Shazia’s daughter’, you know that Swinery is now part of our internet-speak.

Are the videos the internet’s equivalent of cotton candy — fun, leading to rot if consumed often — or do they have deeper meaning? And who exactly are the 22,000 plus of us watching?

Right now, Swinery is whoever you want it to be. If you know who they are, will that change how you feel about the videos? Are you having fun imagining that you and Swinery could be the best of friends?

On the internet, we determine what has meaning. We believe we know exactly who someone is based on one tweet, one photograph. We may be a muddle of our curated social media selves and our ‘real’ selves, but if you become famous enough for doing something online, your followers will quickly define which one is more true, more valuable than the other.

So who is Swinery? You decide.

OPTION A: SWINERY IS CONFUSED.
She is in her twenties, and all of this started when a friend of hers discovered they could use animoji — animated emoji that mirror your expressions and voice — on his new iPhone to record videos. “The pig was the first animoji we saw and we hit ‘record’ and I said the first thing that came out of my mouth,” she says. It was fun, and they decided that for as long as it remained fun, she would make an Instagram account and create videos for their friends to enjoy. ‘Swinery’ made the most sense for an account name as the pig video was the first one.

Since she didn’t own an iPhone, she only made videos when she hung out with her friend — that’s why you can hear laughter in the background of her early videos. She started doing pretend product reviews with the same voices and accents because when she got bored, she could film those on her own phone at home. She would only post when she felt like it — sometimes, weeks would pass without a new video.

She got an iPhone two months ago and is posting more frequently because she’s got some free time since she quit her job at a college in Karachi. She’ll wake up and, if she feels like it, she’ll open up the app and play around with the characters. Usually, she just keeps talking and if something funny comes out, she’ll post it.

The day I meet her, she posted two videos of the dreadlocked blue man. She doesn’t store videos or plan them. Some influencers time their posts to maximise viewing, but she really doesn’t care if only five people see the video. She’ll post however many videos while a joke is still fresh in her mind. Sometimes, she’ll forget to hit ‘record’ when she’s making a video. She won’t try to redo those jokes.



Some friends say she’s not being clever about managing the attention she’s getting, but here’s the thing — she’s using Swinery like it’s a personal account. Someone told her the Atif Aslam parody has more than 37,000 views right now and that’s just insane. She herself doesn’t keep track of the numbers and chase them. To be honest, it felt crazy when that video had even 1,000 views, she says. Before she uploaded it, she showed it to some friends, and someone said she might get into trouble for it. She uploaded it anyway. Sometimes she thinks she preferred it when Swinery was like a cult with a small following of 200 or 300 people. There was less room for misunderstanding then.

The other day, a friend told her she could check out her ‘insights’ on the account and she suddenly realised she could see which videos we love the most, which cities viewers are from, and so much other stuff she still hasn’t fully worked out. People love the auntie with her sour remarks about her friend Shazia’s daughter. The aim with posting more of the auntie’s videos is not to get more followers. “I hope that some auntie will watch this video and think, ‘Yo, that’s me. That’s how I sound when I talk about somebody,’” she says. It might be good to remind these aunties how unkind they can be.

The thing that’s really fun is that she never knows what is going to come out of her mouth. It’s almost like a trick her brain plays. One day, doing a video for the blue man, a character who asks you to enunciate the ‘qaaf’ — really summon it up from the back of your throat like you’re retching — for ‘qeema’ and ‘qainchi’, she said the word ‘darkhwast,’ a word she had never used before. If you hear her laugh during a video, it’s because she’s surprised herself. But to be honest, the fact that she’s even doing Swinery is a surprise.

“They imagine I’m this bundle of joy, always cracking a joke. They don’t really know what’s going on in my life beyond the 30-second video. They don’t want me to be their friend — they want me to perform for them,” she says.

You see, the thing that is her great love, the thing that made her feel less lost, less directionless, is standup comedy. She hasn’t performed for a while though. The material just isn’t coming. The only way she can try to understand Swinery’s success is to imagine a room of 22,000 people watching her do standup comedy. And that’s just insane. Sometimes she thinks that if she planned out Swinery videos the way she planned out and wrote her stand-up material, she might one day also lose Swinery. What if the ideas stop coming? If she opened up her phone and had nothing to say?

She knows people want her to reveal herself. But she doesn’t want them to say, “Of course, that’s what the funny girl looks like.” She doesn’t need people thinking of her as the funny, chubby girl.

Some fans say they’re going to make sure she hits 100,000 or 200,000 followers. They love her. Sometimes she wants to tell them that the high of making a room full of people laugh is better than 1,000 new followers. On some days, she gets messages from followers saying they had a difficult time getting out of bed and the only thing that helped was watching her videos.



“I wonder why I feel sad about not doing stand-up when there are people taking comfort in this thing I’m doing.” She gets many, many messages from people who wish they were her friend. Women love that she is irreverent, that she publicly talks the way that they only talk amongst friends. “They imagine I’m this bundle of joy, always cracking a joke,” she says. “They don’t really know what’s going on in my life beyond the 30-second video. They don’t want me to be their friend — they want me to perform for them.”

She no longer needs to do pretend product reviews — companies have reached out and she can ask for money to do a shout-out. But all of this feels like a fluke, like she just got lucky. What she loves to do — to make people laugh — is so intangible. It can be there one minute and forgotten in the next.

What is the value of something like that? Even the thousands of followers are so intangible, just numbers on a screen. Why would someone pay her to do these videos? To be honest, she was nervous about being interviewed because she thought she would be an obvious disappointment to meet in real life. And why would someone want to interview her anyway?

OPTION B: SWINERY KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT WE WANT
She’s in her twenties and people are now finally getting to see what she’s been doing since she was a child: her parents would ask her to do impersonations and accents for guests. During recess at school, kids would watch her do impressions of teachers, especially of her Math teacher. She was so good at it that kids at other schools knew about her. If she would get bored at the college she worked at, she would sometimes call people and do random voices and make up characters, sometimes pretending to sell something.



The animoji app on her friend’s iPhone was the perfect way to channel that talent on to social media. When she had to name the account, she thought about a friend’s nickname for her and how her mother loves to collect piggy banks, and went with Swinery because it was nonsensical enough.

“Doing the videos of the judgmental auntie is so therapeutic. Who hasn’t encountered an auntie making unnecessary comments about your weight or giving you a look because your jeans are too skinny? The videos allow girls like me to poke fun at the aunties in our lives, to get to judge them.”

The plan was always to act — she did a well-received play outside Pakistan recently — and to do stand-up, but Swinery has given her some relief from the pressures of both. “It’s a lot harder to craft a sketch for stand-up, and its scary because, in the moment, the audience either laughs or they don’t,” she explains.

“With Swinery, I don’t know how the person on the other side of the screen is reacting and it feels a lot safer. If a video doesn’t do well, that’s fine — I just do another one.” More importantly, she can’t do stand-up shows every day. But that incredible high you get from performing is rationed out; with each Swinery video, she gets a quick little shot of that high with every ‘like.’ It’s easy. The only fear is that the ‘likes’ may dwindle. The Atif Aslam video has more than 40,000 views. If a video she posts tomorrow got only 2,000 views, she would worry about what she did wrong.

The insights that Instagram gives her help. The two most loved characters are the judgmental auntie and the dreadlocked blue man. She has stopped making videos with other characters: the panda, the dragon, the dog. With each new follower, she hones her message.

“Doing the videos of the judgmental auntie is so therapeutic,” she explains. “Who hasn’t encountered an auntie making unnecessary comments about your weight or giving you a look because your jeans are too skinny? We’ve never been able to talk back to these aunties. The videos allow girls like me to poke fun at the aunties in our lives, to get to judge them.” The auntie has been such a hit, she’s noticed a rash of copycat accounts.



She knows people want her to reveal herself. But Swinery would lose its fun factor then — the guessing gets more people talking about her and more followers — and anyway, she’s got some other ideas in the pipeline where she will show her face so she can’t let Swinery affect that. Besides, she doesn’t want followers to think, “She’s really cute, so of course she has the confidence to be funny like this.”

She’s finally reaching the point where she can monetise Swinery. One man got in touch with her because his wife is obsessed with Swinery and he wants to commission a custom message for their anniversary. She realised she really undercharged for an event she did a shout-out for when at least 300 people showed up for it.

If she did a shout-out for the café she’s sitting in right now and 300 people showed up, imagine how crazy that would be. That kind of reach is worth something.

Sanam Maher is the author of 'The Sensational Life & Death of Qandeel Baloch'

Originally published in Dawn, EOS, March 17th, 2019
 
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There is a larger issue people are missing here. Our problem isn't only Indian aggression. It's the confluence of India, Israel, America, France, and to an extent even Britain. We are at war just not on LoC, but also in FATF, UN, and diplomatic level with two other neighbors. The military victory should have let to improving our position on other fronts but because of the lameduck government we lost the initiative. I invite everyone to ponder this aspect.

Our past 3 governments would have not done anything, PTI government response is a vast improvement. You have 4 Indian planes shot down and 2 pilots taken into custody.

Pakistan also is not afraid to talk about Israel publicly, and the fact is that definitely the powers you mentioned are afraid of Pakistan for the first time in many years.

Make no mistake, Imran Khan will use this failed Indian attack and its Israeli involvement to full effect for many years to come.

Just look at PTI, Shah Mehmood Qureshi, Asad Umar, and Imran Khan social media accounts.
 
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kiss kiss, slap, kick on the butt, then soothing hand
it was perfect approach
 
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Imran Bey has done whatever possible in the present circumstances!!! When conditions get ripe even more forceful reaction will be delivered!!! It’s all about conditions build up, and it’s not primed by mere mortals....

It has been said many times here that, for the first time in the history of Pakistan, both the civilian and military leaderships are on the same page when it comes to defense and foreign policies, so any and all decisions being taken by PMIK, specially with regards to the recent situation with India, are likely to have been made in consultation and agreement.
 
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On one hand Indian media and politicians were publicly saying they have given dead line to Imran Khan for release of pilot, while IK was preparing a return of pilot, for what ever reasons of good will.
Obviously, common sense says release in given circumstance will fade the facts even more. Was this really intended or it was another one brazen show of ineptness... what so ever, choosing not to takeout Indian supply depots, while they were once locked, was totally insane.
Further more not to sink Indian sub is equally inexcusable.
I see no gains in loosing those opportunities, which we earned by risking lives of our soldiers and pilots.
 
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On one hand Indian media and politicians were publicly saying they have given dead line to Imran Khan for release of pilot, while IK was preparing a return of pilot, for what ever reasons of good will.
Obviously, common sense says release in given circumstance will fade the facts even more. Was this really intended or it was another one brazen show of ineptness... what so ever, choosing not to takeout Indian supply depots, while they were once locked, was totally insane.
Further more not to sink Indian sub is equally inexcusable.
I see no gains in loosing those opportunities, which we earned by risking lives of our soldiers and pilots.

Let's be very clear. War is not a solution. Once Abhinandan was in our custody, we should have set the pre-condition of an official declaration of ceasing hostilities for his release. Not ensuring peace, not demanding peace, is the greatest failure.
 
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Let's be very clear. War is not a solution. Once Abhinandan was in our custody, we should have set the pre-condition of an official declaration of ceasing hostilities for his release. Not ensuring peace, not demanding peace, is the greatest failure.

war is no sewer no solution and yet we had 4-5 hot wars and a cold war going on from 2 decades.
What i'm proposing actually might have killed the probabilities of war for good.
It's two different ways of thinking.
Our strike back should have been decisive and sending 2xjF-17 was a joke. At least 20 jF-17 should have locked 40 supply lines of Indian army. That would have immediately brought peace and tranquility to the region.
Indians neither deserve pardon nor they value pardon, i think this should have been clear once more, hope next govt. will not start pardon game from scratch.
 
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Giving examples from Quran and Sunnah to defend an act of wrong judgement (to use the least offensive words). Now let's see the fire of your faith. How about you open up a thread, and quote Quran and Sunnah against the following:

https://images.dawn.com/news/118207...-followers-but-who-is-behind-the-viral-videos
Child listen here very carefully, just because something isnt happening the way YOU want it doesnt automatically characterize it as wrong judgement!

And if you find your way of life is not peaceful as the Quran and Sunnah want it, please dont drag us into your emotional turmoil!! I do not really care who does what as long as I dont do it, my country is not willing to become a barbarian and you are calling that wrong judgement. Seek professional help!

You want aggression go join india because that is the ONLY one wanting aggression:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/pm-i...on-of-parliament-on-indian-aggression.604700/
 
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Let's be very clear. War is not a solution. Once Abhinandan was in our custody, we should have set the pre-condition of an official declaration of ceasing hostilities for his release. Not ensuring peace, not demanding peace, is the greatest failure.
One pilot would not have changed India’s calculus.

Do you think if India had captured a Pakistani pilot we would want the Pakistani government to not retaliate for the sake of a single pilot? No.

It’s foolish to think there was even remotely any kind of leverage there.
 
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One pilot would not have changed India’s calculus.

Do you think if India had captured a Pakistani pilot we would want the Pakistani government to not retaliate for the sake of a single pilot? No.

It’s foolish to think there was even remotely any kind of leverage there.
I have closed the thread because this is less a discussion and more a rant esp when he went:

an act of wrong judgement (to use the least offensive words).
If peace can be termed wrong judgement, I am afraid it is less of a discussion and more of a rant to twist arms :unsure:
 
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Can someone from the government answer the following question:

LoC - Line of Control is an actual working boundary between India and Pakistan. Any disregard to this is an act of war in legal and technical terms. Why is the government not highlighting this aspect of the recent conflict specially after 2004 DGMO agreement was reaffirmed?

Thanks.
 
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