Is Imran Khan’s approach to India’s aggression correct?

[Arsalan 345]

i don't support this environmental damage notice.basically we have no clear strategy.india is gaining confidence after this air space violation.our policy is not tit for tat,it's not aggressive.it's like we are peace loving country,don't attack.problem is india is our enemy and world don't care.previous governments did nothing.this government is good but not aggressive.
what is the red line? we actually don't define red line yet.i know about our retaliation but remember it was retaliation.we need to think about india as our enemy.when pakistan was created,people inside pakistan started to worship God and spread islam.it's the religion that is a problem for india.also they don't want pakistan to move forward.they want pakistan to remain in continuous war like situation.examples are indian proxy and indian aggression.

our problem is very clear.we know that world supports india on terrorism issue and we also know that previous governments have failed to make impact and toatally failed to address important issue on world forum.i think it's too late.only good diplomacy can change this perception about pakistan but it requires time which we don't have right now.

other important thing is the way pakistan looks itself.pakistan believes that it's an islamic state where anyone can practice islam and go to madrassa and mosques.now attack on madrassa(which india calls jem camp) is the red line.how on earth someone attack a religious place and how on earth someone cross border just to kill civilians of another country? this is the red line but unfortunately pakistan didn't respond in the same way which means more possible attacks can happen on religious places.

what we need to do? we must tell india clearly that any attack on madrassa or mosque or a building will be revenged with the same attack on india. if they attack madrassa, we can attack indian temple. if they attack a building,we can attack bjp headquarters.if they attack a mosque, we can attack similar place. this is simple. this is red line and we must tell this to the whole world.

next time they will think twice before attacking.india cares about hindus,hindus who worship idols in temples.we need to tell them clearly that this is the red line.

 

[Dubious]

i don't support this environmental damage notice.basically we have no clear strategy.india is gaining confidence after this air space violation.our policy is not tit for tat,it's not aggressive.it's like we are peace loving country,don't attack.problem is india is our enemy and world don't care.previous governments did nothing.this government is good but not aggressive.
what is the red line? we actually don't define red line yet.i know about our retaliation but remember it was retaliation.we need to think about india as our enemy.when pakistan was created,people inside pakistan started to worship God and spread islam.it's the religion that is a problem for india.also they don't want pakistan to move forward.they want pakistan to remain in continuous war like situation.examples are indian proxy and indian aggression.

our problem is very clear.we know that world supports india on terrorism issue and we also know that previous governments have failed to make impact and toatally failed to address important issue on world forum.i think it's too late.only good diplomacy can change this perception about pakistan but it requires time which we don't have right now.

other important thing is the way pakistan looks itself.pakistan believes that it's an islamic state where anyone can practice islam and go to madrassa and mosques.now attack on madrassa(which india calls jem camp) is the red line.how on earth someone attack a religious place and how on earth someone cross border just to kill civilians of another country? this is the red line but unfortunately pakistan didn't respond in the same way which means more possible attacks can happen on religious places.

what we need to do? we must tell india clearly that any attack on madrassa or mosque or a building will be revenged with the same attack on india. if they attack madrassa, we can attack indian temple. if they attack a building,we can attack bjp headquarters.if they attack a mosque, we can attack similar place. this is simple. this is red line and we must tell this to the whole world.

next time they will think twice before attacking.india cares about hindus,hindus who worship idols in temples.we need to tell them clearly that this is the red line.

Our strategy shouldnt be based on what, how, when india thinks/ moves/ acts!

If we want to show ourselves as Muslims - we need to define it with peace...otherwise how do we differentiate ourselves from indians?

As for being aggressive, we have given warning through words, dropping bombs on open field and shooting their plane...if we beehave any more aggressive, we will cross the boundary that differentiates them and us!

 

[Arsalan 345]

Our strategy shouldnt be based on what, how, when india thinks/ moves/ acts!

If we want to show ourselves as Muslims - we need to define it with peace...otherwise how do we differentiate ourselves from indians?

As for being aggressive, we have given warning through words, dropping bombs on open field and shooting their plane...if we beehave any more aggressive, we will cross the boundary that differentiates them and us!

sir i respect you but i don't agree.i believe that we should give them equal response.we should tell indians through diplomatic means that any attack on religious places or buildings will result in the similar type of attack from pakistan on indian religious places.we should handle them with more aggression.remember they are very happy right now because they reached balakot and it's very far from loc.it gives them more confidence.they don't care about pakistani citizens.they don't care about who is inside the madrassa.it's only us who think about collateral damage.i believe that this new red line will keep them away from us.this is a very easy formula and if we give a statement on this new red line,world will not react.in this way,india can't save itself from similar typer of attack.remember we should first tell this new theory to the whole world.it's dangerous but it will hurt india.

 

[Dubious]

sir i respect you but i don't agree.i believe that we should give them equal response.we should tell indians through diplomatic means that any attack on religious places or buildings will result in the similar type of attack from pakistan on indian religious places.we should handle them with more aggression.remember they are very happy right now because they reached balakot and it's very far from loc.it gives them more confidence.they don't care about pakistani citizens.they don't care about who is inside the madrassa.it's only us who think about collateral damage.i believe that this new red line will keep them away from us.this is a very easy formula and if we give a statement on this new red line,world will not react.in this way,india can't save itself from similar typer of attack.remember we should first tell this new theory to the whole world.it's dangerous but it will hurt india.

Right now we are not in a position to throw our weight around.

They did damage coz they are indians we dont respond like them coz we are not indians...

We sent them a msg [loud and clear]. IF they attack or do anything, then they know it is clear we are the ones who offered peace, world will not stand with them esp not now with their media lies!


[5:87] O you who believe, do not prohibit good things that are made lawful by GOD, and do not aggress; GOD dislikes the aggressors.
[2:190] You may fight in the cause of GOD against those who attack you, but do not aggress. GOD does not love the aggressors.
Allah does not like AGGRESSORS! They dropped bombs on empty land we did same...

Moderation is the key even the Quran says so: Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors. (Surah Al-Baqara, 190).

But the thing is they didnt fight us...they tried to have the upper hand by entering our territory...IF they fight us - harm/ hurt us..then we are allowed even by worldly laws to self defence and attack back! But right now attacking or being aggressive will be transgression in ALLAH's sight!

 

[GumNaam]

PM Imran Khan's approach of walking into the house of the bully, staring him down (warning raids by the munitions depot and brigade hq) and then leaving only to turn around and knock out the front two upper teeth (mig21 and su30) and one lower tooth (chopper) of the bully ONLY to turn around and take the beaten up bully out for coffee (fantashtik chai) has given Pakistan a very high military position along with the diplomatic high ground. Pakistan is appearing as that gracious victor who has beaten up a crooked two bit thug but would rather have the crooked two bit thug mend his ways.

So yeah, I think he handled it extremely well...made Pakistan look like a total hero while making modi and his india look like total donkeys!

Well played Imran Khan.

 

[Mentee]

Guys we slapped the enemy and he's cunningly plotting to get us hiding behind the street corner . that wasn't enough! A good beating was needed to scare him off for a reasonable amount of time.

 

[Mugwop]

What's the issue...

Trees were damaged only famage we sustained ..

Its a genuine complaint

IK approach and the typical Pakistani approach to india has always been wrong.
You can't make peace or be friends with some one who has extreme terrorist "tutty" mentality.
Letting their pilot go was a sign of forgiveness and peace in the world's eyes but bharti "tutty" mentality sees it as a weakness despite their jets being shot down.

Now the question is how do we handle such an opponent? It's simple "HUMILIATION" is the best way to defeat them. I would have forced modi to apologise and chant Pakistan ZIndabaad before letting the pilot go.
In that way their hate mongering politicians wouldn't even dream of a war with Pakistan.

 

[313ghazi]

Be glad. Not only did we humiliate the enemy militarily and politically but we also avoided war.

Batein karna bohat ehsan hai. Full fledged war would have led to the ruin of the people of both nations for another 50 years.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

People don’t see the diplomatic victory which Imran Khan achieved.

By returning the pilot and making sure Abhi was treated well, we galvanized anti-war and anti-Modi sentiment in india.

You don’t always have to punch someone back to inflict the most pain, sometimes mercy is more painful and hurts more.

We are a Muslim nation, speak the language of Islam and not the language of the world.

These kinds of gestures is how Islam spread in the first place.

We need to know when to sue for peace and when to attack our enemies.

 

[Jackdaws]

At least Imran comes across as earnest everytime he speaks of peace. Of course, except for the bhakts and their equivalents on the Pak side and the war mongering illiterates, everyone should and does root for peace.

Fact is that the narratives in the 2 countries are completely different.

Pak's hand seem tied in being unable to rein in their "non state actors" probably because of blowback. But that doesn't mean India will keep absorbing attacks till Pak sets its house in order. Both countries have a domestic audience to please.

 

[CriticalThought]

There is a larger issue people are missing here. Our problem isn't only Indian aggression. It's the confluence of India, Israel, America, France, and to an extent even Britain. We are at war just not on LoC, but also in FATF, UN, and diplomatic level with two other neighbors. The military victory should have let to improving our position on other fronts but because of the lameduck government we lost the initiative. I invite everyone to ponder this aspect.

 

[The Accountant]

IK approach and the typical Pakistani approach to india has always been wrong.
You can't make peace or be friends with some one who has extreme terrorist "tutty" mentality.
Letting their pilot go was a sign of forgiveness and peace in the world's eyes but bharti "tutty" mentality sees it as a weakness despite their jets being shot down.

Now the question is how do we handle such an opponent? It's simple "HUMILIATION" is the best way to defeat them. I would have forced modi to apologise and chant Pakistan ZIndabaad before letting the pilot go.
In that way their hate mongering politicians wouldn't even dream of a war with Pakistan.

I agree with you statement that india keep on doing such things but being leader if Pakistan Imran did the right thing ... modi and indian wants war without realizing the cost of war between nuclear states ... we understand this but it never means that we ourselves start behavibg liie indians ... war between indian and pakistan is already written on the wall ... indian media has spread so much hatred against that its public has gone mad and litterally behaving like mad dog ... we should be ready and try to avoid war as long asbi could but i m sure that sooner or later there will be a big war in sub continent

At least Imran comes across as earnest everytime he speaks of peace. Of course, except for the bhakts and their equivalents on the Pak side and the war mongering illiterates, everyone should and does root for peace.

Fact is that the narratives in the 2 countries are completely different.

Pak's hand seem tied in being unable to rein in their "non state actors" probably because of blowback. But that doesn't mean India will keep absorbing attacks till Pak sets its house in order. Both countries have a domestic audience to please.

Your first statement is correct but sevond is partially incorrect ... Pakistan is unable to control non state actor on the one hand but we also dont want to push them to hard ... just for the argument lets put aside nationality of Pakistani and Indian and review it from independent point if view ...

we have half if kashmir and half is under your control ... people of both areas are under direct contact ... what do you think what would be the feeling of people on this side of the border when they heard the news of innocent killings' murders rape and denial of lots of basic human rights ... now alot of people on this side of the border consider kashmiri muslims as part of the greater family ... Pakistan always had such feelings ... we had same feelings of palestinians who didnt even understand our language ... if india and pakistan really want to resolve this issue then atleast as a first step kashmiri people should be given their due rights and should be started treating with honour ... we learned it hard away after loosing bangladesh and facing a long insurgency in balochistan ...

Furthermore you guys should also stop in mendling with our internal security matters ... stop funding bla ttp and ptm ... both countries needs to realize that we need to work with people .... kashmiri land belongs to kashmiris and even if you dont want to leave kashmir atleast you should respect the ownership of kashmir ...

 

[Mugwop]

I agree with you statement that india keep on doing such things but being leader if Pakistan Imran did the right thing ... modi and indian wants war without realizing the cost of war between nuclear states ... we understand this but it never means that we ourselves start behavibg liie indians ... war between indian and pakistan is already written on the wall ... indian media has spread so much hatred against that its public has gone mad and litterally behaving like mad dog ... we should be ready and try to avoid war as long asbi could but i m sure that sooner or later there will be a big war in sub continent

I never stated that we should behave like indians and never will!
If i'd think like that I would ask for abhinandan's execution but instead I mentioned a different strategy.
They "bhartis" will keep asking for a war unless you humiliate them to a point they will stop.
IK let their pilot go in efforts of peace and few days after that their submarine was too close to our coast.

 

[Jackdaws]

I agree with you statement that india keep on doing such things but being leader if Pakistan Imran did the right thing ... modi and indian wants war without realizing the cost of war between nuclear states ... we understand this but it never means that we ourselves start behavibg liie indians ... war between indian and pakistan is already written on the wall ... indian media has spread so much hatred against that its public has gone mad and litterally behaving like mad dog ... we should be ready and try to avoid war as long asbi could but i m sure that sooner or later there will be a big war in sub continent


Your first statement is correct but sevond is partially incorrect ... Pakistan is unable to control non state actor on the one hand but we also dont want to push them to hard ... just for the argument lets put aside nationality of Pakistani and Indian and review it from independent point if view ...

we have half if kashmir and half is under your control ... people of both areas are under direct contact ... what do you think what would be the feeling of people on this side of the border when they heard the news of innocent killings' murders rape and denial of lots of basic human rights ... now alot of people on this side of the border consider kashmiri muslims as part of the greater family ... Pakistan always had such feelings ... we had same feelings of palestinians who didnt even understand our language ... if india and pakistan really want to resolve this issue then atleast as a first step kashmiri people should be given their due rights and should be started treating with honour ... we learned it hard away after loosing bangladesh and facing a long insurgency in balochistan ...

Furthermore you guys should also stop in mendling with our internal security matters ... stop funding bla ttp and ptm ... both countries needs to realize that we need to work with people .... kashmiri land belongs to kashmiris and even if you dont want to leave kashmir atleast you should respect the ownership of kashmir ...

You do realize in the 1960s, India did offer a significant part of the Valley to you and Bhutto demanded that India hand over Buddhist majority Ladakh as well as Hindu majority Jammu as well.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Imran Bey has done whatever possible in the present circumstances!!! When conditions get ripe even more forceful reaction will be delivered!!! It’s all about conditions build up, and it’s not primed by mere mortals....