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[arashkamangir]

ALCON,

IIRC, the Tolu series of jet engines are small types with no relations to the J85 at all (see their confirmed use in the C-802 family of Iranian AshMs and the Karrar target drones, ranging from 800-900lbs of thrust). So any reference to the J90 being a turbofan variant of the Tolu would logically point to it being a small turbofan engines with ~1000lb of thrust.

The Iranian-built J85-GE-21 recently shown publicly goes by the name of "Owj".

Concerning the bit about the JT8D, and PeeD can confirm this or not, refers to Iranian companies being able to manufacture major components of the engine but NOT the engine engine itself.

Oops you are right I meant Owj not Tolu. I'll correct my post.

 

[mohsen]

یادداشت شاداب عسگری در پاسخ به شبهات مطروحه امیر رستمی در «خشت خام»:
پاسخ تحریف‌های تاریخی امیر سرتیپ شهرام رستمی/ چگونه در روز روشن واقعیت حمله امریکا به طبس و سرنگونی هواپیمای مسافربری مورد تحریف قرار می‌گیرد؟/ شاداب عسگری: اظهارات رستمی ریشه در ضعف اطلاعاتی وی دارد

 

[VEVAK]

ALCON,

IIRC, the Tolu series of jet engines are small types with no relations to the J85 at all (see their confirmed use in the C-802 family of Iranian AshMs and the Karrar target drones, ranging from 800-900lbs of thrust). So any reference to the J90 being a turbofan variant of the Tolu would logically point to it being a small turbofan engines with ~1000lb of thrust.

The Iranian-built J85-GE-21 recently shown publicly goes by the name of "Owj".

Concerning the bit about the JT8D, and PeeD can confirm this or not, refers to Iranian companies being able to manufacture major components of the engine but NOT the engine engine itself.

1.Despite what people say It's not a matter of CAN'T! If you look at all of Iranian fighter projects they are all either single engine fighters OR small twin engine fighters with small diameter engines like the Saegheh!

The Iranian government wants a fighter that has a low fuel consumption or else building a larger turbojet engine like the J-79 is 50's tech! To put that in perspective for you the 1st portable calculator was released in 1971

So whomever claims that Iran can't build a turbojet engine superior to the J-79 is living in a delusion! If your going to spend money to build an engine your going to need a platform to put it on and choosing a light fighter in a country the size of Iran is and has always been a mistake!

2.In terms of producing super alloys R&D and lab scale production of various super alloys started back in the late 90's & Iran accomplished Titanium alloy casting on a lab scale by 2008 but the funding that should have gone towards mining and production of these alloys didn't happen because Iran ended up with a government that thought it was a good idea to hand out chump change $30 USD a month to 70 million people (~$20Billion USD a year) while there is an enemy that's sanctioning you and building bases around you & threatening you so as a result you lack the budget required to invest in R&D and in the production of new Turbojet & Turbofan Engines!

Lack of funding wouldn't have been a problem if from the start the government had decided to provide only the bottom 10%-15% $40 USD of monthly aid sure that's fair and reasonable but it should have never been any more than the bottom 15% of the population & it should have been aid & job placement programs rather than cash handouts!
Ahmadinejads policies brook the back of the Iranian government & when you break something putting it back together again is not so easy especially when you don't live in a dictatorship and there are political backlashes!

And the Rohani government has also failed when it comes to the military! When you have a government that spends less than half of what the UAE spends on acquisitions and R&D then as a result you will not have the funding to build the tools, materials & infrastructure required for an fighter Airframe or engine!

It's seems the Rohani governments entire platform on fixing the economy is solely based on getting foreign investment!
1.And they haven't been willing to spend political capital to get rid of "Yaraneh" monthly chump change which is a big whole in government budget! And a major source of corruption!
2.They haven't increased the military budget when it comes to acquisition and R&D
3.They haven't come up with innovative ideas to increase the quantity, quality & variety of Iranian products
4.They are too afraid to even open up debate about Hijab by force & it's negative impact on the economy. They have failed to explain the vital importance of a healthy Tourism Industry to the population & how without it stabilizing your currency is next to impossible! And having a healthy tourism industry in a country that enforces a dress code is next to impossible! There are no guarantees that your tourism would be fixed without it but it is most definitely not going to be fixed with it!

 

[Raghfarm007]

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یادداشت شاداب عسگری در پاسخ به شبهات مطروحه امیر رستمی در «خشت خام»:
پاسخ تحریف‌های تاریخی امیر سرتیپ شهرام رستمی/ چگونه در روز روشن واقعیت حمله امریکا به طبس و سرنگونی هواپیمای مسافربری مورد تحریف قرار می‌گیرد؟/ شاداب عسگری: اظهارات رستمی ریشه در ضعف اطلاعاتی وی دارد

Traitors trying to justify why they destroyed documents in the airstrike..... then they blamed it on Banisadr...

 

[mohsen]

Traitors trying to justify why they destroyed documents in the airstrike..... then they blamed it on Banisadr...

You mean the same famous traitor Mr BaniSadr who dressed as a woman and alongside Rajavi the head of MKO terrorist group escaped to west, right?! the same traitor who was receiving money from CIA right?
The same traitor who demoted legendary army commander Sayyad Shirazi and appointed commanders like Shadmehr and Bagheri who disabled Iranian air defense systems during American's operation.
Banisadr was the head of all Iranian armed forces and destroying the evidences was performed by his direct order.
the same traitor who ordered all Hezbollahi (pro revolution) troops in army to be transferred to Kurdestan right before American's operation.
even his name makes me sick!

 

[VEVAK]

50 Kowsars have been ordered? Wow thats alot, Kowsars besides being a trainer should be able to perform CAS is that correct? Whats the point of Qaher when airforce clearly doesn't care. Is Iran going to have Qaher for Sepah and Kowsar for artesh? Again, their is so much inefficient and waste in the military industry.

When your only spending $6Billion USD a year on acquisitions it's just not possible for there to be any waist! Actually despite what people think one of the least corrupt institutions and industries in Iran is the military and the military industry
Yes there are corrupt people in the military & MOD but their corruption doesn't come out of Iran's Military budget! And the budget is so limited that there just isn't much room for corruption!
To put that in perspective for you Iran khodro's revenue in 2011 was $12 Billion USD with only 50,000 employees so $6 Billion on acquisition on your entire military is really NOTHING!

Q-313 will likely not go into production until the Kowsar orders have been completed! & if they do produce it, that will come after the Kowsar order has been completed till then they'll likely try testing and try to prefect it & they'll likely wanna see how the engines on the Kowsar perform!

50 is not a lot in a country the size of Iran with an aircraft with limited range & speed!

Traitors trying to justify why they destroyed documents in the airstrike..... then they blamed it on Banisadr...

Banisadr was a traitor OR he was an absolute MORON either way good riddance! And that fact became clear when the Iran-Iraq war started & the generals both in the IRGC & Artesh witnessed his behavior in person!

 

[Parsipride]

Interesting video I came across about the first Japanese made fighter after WW2. It resembles the F-5 and was in service until 2006 for nearly 30 years. Hopefully the establishment has taken the Air Force seriously after fighting along side the Russians.

On a positive note, Iran is not too far away from start and production of Indigenous answer to our air force problem. Japan, a first world economy, was operating a F-5 similar air craft until 10 years ago.

 

[VEVAK]

Interesting video I came across about the first Japanese made fighter after WW2. It resembles the F-5 and was in service until 2006 for nearly 30 years. Hopefully the establishment has taken the Air Force seriously after fighting along side the Russians.

On a positive note, Iran is not too far away from start and production of Indigenous answer to our air force problem. Japan, a first world economy, was operating a F-5 similar air craft until 10 years ago.

That's absolutely WRONG!
Mitsubishi F-1 was Produced 1975-1987 (Modified copy of the F-4)
Mitsubishi F-2 was Produced between 1995-2011 with 100 produced (Modified copy of the F-16)
223 F-15J produced in Japan by the Japanese Air Self Defense Force with 155 still in operations

Where do you people come up with this stuff?

 

[Parsipride]

That's absolutely WRONG!
Mitsubishi F-1 was Produced 1975-1987 (Modified copy of the F-4)
Mitsubishi F-2 was Produced between 1995-2011 with 100 produced (Modified copy of the F-16)
223 F-15J produced in Japan by the Japanese Air Self Defense Force with 155 still in operations

Where do you people come up with this stuff?

May be the narrator is speaking in Turkish and not English. It clearly states that they built them through 1987( span of 10 years )which yielded 77units.They were in service until 2006.

I did not say that they did not build any other aircraft, nor did I say anything about other joint projects. F-1 was part of the Japanese Air Force for nearly 3 decades.

Iran is not Japan but this is not 1977 either.

 

[yavar]

Iran IRIAF Defenders of Velayat Sanctuary 7 wargame هفتمین رزمایش اقتدار هوایی فداییان حریم ولایت

Iran IRIAF Defenders of Velayat Sanctuary 7 wargame P-1 رزمایش اقتدار هوایی فداییان حریم ولایت۷

 

[yavar]

 

[VEVAK]

May be the narrator is speaking in Turkish and not English. It clearly states that they built them through 1987( span of 10 years )which yielded 77units.They were in service until 2006.

I did not say that they did not build any other aircraft, nor did I say anything about other joint projects. F-1 was part of the Japanese Air Force for nearly 3 decades.

Iran is not Japan but this is not 1977 either.

No buddy, you made it sound as if the F-1 was the backbone of the Japanese Air Force up to a decade ago and Iran is not that far off because we reverse engineered the F-5!

It's a common practice in Iran, miss informed people come on Iranian TV and make it sound as if Japan & Germany don't have a military and don't spend any money on their military industry.
I apologies if I miss understood you, and put you in their category!

I just wanna make it clear, Japan is one of the top 10 countries in the world in the amount of money they spend on weapons acquisition & military R&D and at the end of the day that's why they have been successful in producing various fighter jets!

As long as Iran is NOT spending at the very least $16-$18 Billion USD on weapons production & R&D with at least $2.5 Billion USD a year going towards a fighter program (Air frame, engine, sensors, weapon system,...) producing a capable fighter will NOT be possible!

Iran has the know how! It's the governments refusal to fund it that's the problem! Iran gained the know how on how to produce & Cast Titanium Alloy on a lab scale in 2008 yet here we are almost 10 years later and they still haven't started Ti alloy mass production at a large scale.

Iran's OWJ engine should have started mass production almost a decade ago because all the tech was there!

And it's the government that keeps putting a requirement for the production of a fighter with low fuel consumption! Which is absurd in a country the size of Iran that's rich in Oil & Gas and has access to the sea which means you can make Hydrogen & Oxygen with electricity!

TF-30 engines were built in the 60's the idea that Iran can't build something superior is absurd! It just requires funding in the production of various superalloys the rest is just cutting and casting using tools and equipment available to Iran that were far superior to anything the U.S. had in the 60's & 70's
And worst case is Iran builds an engine with the same specs in terms of thrust but a little heavier!

As for the Air Frame Iran wants to cheat it's way around Titanium! and keeps insisting on Airframes with low Titanium requirements which is absurd and delusional! It's just not possible to build a viable fighter Airframe with under 40,000 lb of Titanium alloy & that's ~ $1 Million USD worth of Titanium alloy just for the Titanium required in the Air frame

Iran also needs to invest in high grade Nickle, stainless steel, chrome, iridium, tungsten,... And increase it's aluminum production

Titanium is NOT a rare earth alloy and Iran has plenty of it & needs to be producing at a minimum 20,000 tones of Ti alloy per year specifically for the production of various Military Aircraft from airframe to various parts & components of fighter jets, Helo's & UCAV's

Iran also needs at least 3 large vacuum ovens for oxidation treatment (At least 2-3 times the size of the ones we have today) just for fighter production

 

[skyshadow]

In 2006, Venezuela provided Iran with one or more F-16 fighter jets to enable Iran to strengthen its radars so that Iranian radars could detect this type of aircraft and to know the abilities of this fighter. To prevent any air strike by the United States or Israel.

 

[AmirPatriot]

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In 2006, Venezuela provided Iran with one or more F-16 fighter jets to enable Iran to strengthen its radars so that Iranian radars could detect this type of aircraft and to know the abilities of this fighter. To prevent any air strike by the United States or Israel.

The pictures of the F-16 in "IIAF" colours are scale models, not real aircraft. And it was never proven that Venezuala provided Iran with those jets.

Though it does seem odd that Iran never acquired the engines for reverse engineering purposes.

 

[Zathura]

Iranian Warplanes Practice Night ‘Carpet-bombing’ During Drill

Warplanes of the Iranian Air Force have conducted ‘carpet-bombing’ of mock enemy positions amid the aerial maneuvers in the central province of Isfahan.
Flying at low altitude, Iran’s Sukhoi-24 and Phantom aircraft practiced the bombardment technique, which features dropping a large number of bombs on enemy targets in an area with the aim of causing 'uniform' destruction.
The Air Force’s F-4 planes were also backing up the overnight mission by releasing flares to light up the drill zone.

Brigadier General Massoud Rouzkhosh, the spokesman for the drills, told Iranian media that this stage of the maneuvers also witnessed aerial refueling of Phantom combat planes at low altitude under the air cover of F-14 jets, Press TV reported.
Meanwhile, Sukhoi-24-to-Sukhoi-24 refueling was also performed for the first time at low altitude, the general added.
The two-day drills, codenamed Fada’ian-e Harim-e Velayat 7 (Death-defying Defenders of Velayat’s Sanctuary) 7, began on Tuesday morning.
The event enlists the services of all Iranian airbases, with the Shahid Babayi Airbase in Isfahan Province playing the central role.
Also joining the drills are MiG-29 and ‘Lightning bolt’ fighter bombers, alongside interceptor aircraft, manned and unmanned reconnaissance planes, Boeing 707 and 747 cargo planes as well as logistical aircraft.

Source: http://www.defenseworld.net/news/21...__Carpet_bombing____During_Drill#.WfmXxlRL_Dc

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