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[Deino]

2 pair of Al-222 produce same dry thrust as 1 RD-93 . So with 2 Al-222 you can get same output as 1 RD-93

side note : the dry weight of RD-93 is 1,055 kg while the dry weight of Al-222 is 560 , so there is not much disadvantage in weight area as well ....

currently kowsar use 2 pair of G-85 with dry thrust of 16 KN for each , while AL-222 has 24.7 KN dry thrust and 41 KN with afterburner ...

I'm sure using and co-producing Al-222 is a lot easier for Iran compare to Rd-93

We need light turbo-fan jet engines for producing regional civil airplanes as well .

Iran need at least 300 regional civil airplane to cover its domestic need ...

No, since the Yak-130‘s engine lacks the afterburner and so without reheat you lack thrust … and so you never get a fighter comparable to the JF-17.

 

[Muhammed45]

Taking over Syria is the most important mission of global Zionists. With Syria in Iranian camp, they can't stop weapons flow into the hands of Palestinians and Lebanese. Syria is the focal and nodal point of resistance axis. Keep that in mind @SalarHaqq ,

Recently Americans have been provoking Russians in Syria and Iraq. They have a postponed plan in those countries, and the major obstacle in their way is the Russian airforce.

They brought up a clown in Ukraine first to keep Russians busy on their own borders and secondly to reduce Russian presence in Syria and Iraqi borders. So far, they have done that successfuly.

If i were Russia, i would have armed Iranian airforce to teeth to help Iran fill the possible Russian gap in Syria and Iraq.

No, since the Yak-130‘s engine lacks the afterburner and so without reheat you lack thrust … and so you never get a fighter comparable to the JF-17.

Hey retard, the engine of Yak has afterbuner.

Stop polluting this section with your non sense.

 

[sahureka2]

il motore dello Yak ha il postbuner.

no, the Yak-130's turbofan has no afterburner at the moment.
It's the company Motor Sich (Ukraine) with turbofan AI-222-25( version F) having made it with afterburner for the Chinese L-15B aircraft, but at the moment it seems that only one prototype has flown with this turbofan

 

[yugocrosrb95]

It can have afterburner as evident with Chinese JL-10.

In case Iran was able to acquire license to produce SM-100 then a lot of possibilities are opening up.

 

[HGV]

Latest speculation is that Iran will not receive the SU-35 jets meant for Egypt but more advanced versions that the Russian Air Force uses, as well as upgrades to MiG-29 and su-24.

Upgrades to MiG-29 makes sense, it is currently Iran's most advanced fighter jet with F-14 (and only 4G fighter alongside the F-14).

SU-35S + upgraded MiG-29 + F-14AM works for the next 20 years until Iran can produce a domestic heavy turbofan engine and suitable BVR munitions and miniaturised AESA radar etc

 

[RΛIDEN]

Jet Yak-130​

According to the customer's choice, Yak-130 radar can be equipped with an Osa radar with a frequency of 8 to 12.5 GHz, this radar has the ability to track eight air targets simultaneously, engage with four targets simultaneously, and track two ground targets simultaneously. The radar detection range against a target with a cross section of 5 square meters is 40 km in the rear direction and 85 km in the front direction. The lock range for operation in automatic tracking mode is 65 km. Or, the Kopyo radar with X band, a maximum range of 60 to 80 km and the ability to track 4 at the same time, which is not widely different from the Osa radar. (Of course, except when dealing with naval targets). The BARS-130 radar on the other hand is a lightweight and reduced version of the famous N011 BARS radar used in Sukhoi fighters, this radar with a longer range and better capabilities such as artificial SAR aperture. In addition to guided weapons such as the R-73 air-to-air missile, it provides weapons such as the R-77, etc., which is an important capability. The radar of the version delivered to Iran is not known, but based on the available information, this jet was produced according to the order and characteristics of Iran.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1698139144625549682

https://twitter.com/x/status/1698139254809862219

https://twitter.com/x/status/1698139282404241795

If needed to appear in the role of close air support, it can carry up to a maximum weight of 3 tons of various weapons in 9 hangers (6 places under the wings, 2 places at the tips of the wings and one place under the main body) to carry.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1698137297105875238

Yak-130 advanced training jet uses two Russian-Ukrainian AI-222-25 turbofan engines in the engine department, which we discussed earlier, Russia, which produced many parts of this engine. Since 2017, it has developed an upgraded internal version called SM-100. It does not matter which engine the jets delivered to Iran use, and Russia has the ability to support the parts of both models.
Having said that, modernized AI-222-25 power plant got its lifespan doubled and has several other advantages. The engine was equipped with an electronic digital automatic control and monitoring system FADEC. It has a lower specific gravity and lower specific consumption, which provides a high thrust-to-weight ratio, allows significant fuel savings, and significantly increases the distance of a direct flight. Hence giving the aircraft not only training but combat capability.
With SM-100, so far the power of this engine has increased and its life span has increased, and also been tried to make maintenance easier with the modularity of the parts, have increased the afterburner thrust from 2.5 to 3 tons, as well as improved the altitude-speed and dynamic characteristics. But the completion of work on the SM-100 engine and their further certification was not officially reported.
In addition to these two engines, Yak-130 uses an auxiliary gas turbine to supply the electricity needed to run the main engines and power the air conditioning system and cabin with TA-14-130 model and 106 kW power.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1698124886739161458

https://twitter.com/x/status/1698124945954345294

Russia upgrades the training Yak-130 to a Su-25 attack aircraft level

Russia upgrades the training Yak-130 to a Su-25 attack aircraft level, according According to Andrey Boginsky, General Director of PJSC Yakovlev - RIA Novosti.

bulgarianmilitary.com

Yak-130 has a full glass (digital) cockpit. Both pilots have access to three 6" x 8" color liquid crystal displays. Also, the cockpit is equipped with an audio warning system and internal and external communication, and the front cabin also has a HUD with the ILS-2-02E model.
By electric flight guidance system (FBW) named KSU-130 offers three variable modes of operation for the purpose of training. The main mode is for a medium jet and the other two modes are light and heavy, which are used to simulate advanced bombers or fighters. Also, this system increases the stability of the jet in different flight conditions. This adjustable system allows the customer to use this jet to train various eastern and western fighters and has a high impact in simulating the real flight conditions of various aircraft for better training.

Due to the open architecture design of Yak-130 computer avionic systems, this fighter can be armed with western weapons such as the French R.550 Magic air-to-air missile, the AIM-9L Sidewinder air-to-air missile and the AGM-65 Maverick air-to-air missile alongside Russian counterparts. The fighter carries a variety of FAB free-fall bombs, including the 500 kg M62 FAB. Russia developed UMPC precision-guided wing kits for FAB bombs, especially the M62, and used them in the Ukraine war.

 

[sahureka2]

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Yak-130 advanced training jet uses two Russian-Ukrainian AI-222-25 turbofan engines in the engine department, which we discussed earlier, Russia, which produced many parts of this engine. Since 2017, it has developed an upgraded internal version called SM-100. It does not matter which engine the jets delivered to Iran use, and Russia has the ability to support the parts of both models.
Having said that, modernized AI-222-25 power plant got its lifespan doubled and has several other advantages. The engine was equipped with an electronic digital automatic control and monitoring system FADEC. It has a lower specific gravity and lower specific consumption, which provides a high thrust-to-weight ratio, allows significant fuel savings, and significantly increases the distance of a direct flight. Hence giving the aircraft not only training but combat capability.
With SM-100, so far the power of this engine has increased and its life span has increased, and also been tried to make maintenance easier with the modularity of the parts, have increased the afterburner thrust from 2.5 to 3 tons, as well as improved the altitude-speed and dynamic characteristics. But the completion of work on the SM-100 engine and their further certification was not officially reported.
In addition to these two engines, Yak-130 uses an auxiliary gas turbine to supply the electricity needed to run the main engines and power the air conditioning system and cabin with TA-14-130 model and 106 kW power.

In correction of what was written in that twitter, today the Russian Salyut makes 100% of the AL-222-25 engine used on the Yak-130, therefore no component of the Motor Sich has been used since 2016
https://lenta.ru/news/2016/08/18/odk_komplekt_ukrain/

The SM-100, as also written in the article previously published by me, “The development of the SM-100 is carried out as part of the basic engine modernization work of the Yak-130 combat training aircraft (AI- 222-25)

 

[Flotilla]

It is probably one of the best HET of the world, with M346 and L-15.
We must think twice (I mean autocritics exercise);

IRIAF has more budget than supossed.

IRIAF has plans that we missed completely (none of us knew arrival of Yak130, we just speculated about Su35 and Kowsar/Yasin further developments).

We can extrapolate that further aircraft will come (Kamov 225 were cited in US websites and news, and even Ka-52).

Yak130 it is just a trainer, you can use it as a CAS or even light fighter but Yak-130 only has sense if IRIAF will add a superirity fighter like Su35 or even Mig35 (it is preferably for IRIAF Su35). So we can just wait about Su35 in future. Yak130 is using russian avionics, russian weapons, communications, avionics and sensors. They have been designed for training pilots in the high end of fighter spectrum (Su-57, Su 30, Su-35 and Mig-31). And at this point;

I think it is perfectly (and even desirable) compatible Kowsar and Yasin with Yak-130 and Su-35. The last two are dedicated to training a generation of new pilots for superiority airpower and integrated in national defense air grid. On the other hand Kowsar and Yasin can be used in tactical short range missions, CAS missions, CAP missions over secondary bases of IRIAF and finally even export them to allied countries like Syria or in a future Yemen.

IRIAF should maintain their projects (Kowsar, Yasin, Simorgh and even Saba 248) to keep a national aerospace industry, an alternative or low end solution to less demanding combat missions (CAP over small islands of PG or CAS missions in the north or east frontier of the country) and even in a future export them to allied countries in Middle East or even Africa.

 

[sahureka2]

To dilute the respective positions relating to the IRIAF and also on the news of possible future developments or modifications of the Chengdu F-7-FT7, I dedicated myself to playing with the images to create a hybrid starting from two aircraft well known by Iranian technicians.
To copy cut and paste or borrowed 2 photos of "JETPHOTOS" which immortalized an F-4 Phantom II and a Chengdu FT-7 in the colors of the IRIAF.
Below is the result of my little aeronautical "Frankenstein" ...........
but the result is nice ... right?

 

[jauk]

Do we need announcements and then smoke shows and disco lights for things like this?
…

Nope. Actually I’ve thought about this particular ‘bell and whistle’ show. It portrays a deep and fundamental lack of understanding of the architecture and workflow of messaging. Jumping from dull and dirty pictures to a dazzling light show with a meaningless yet overwhelming rock tune and the President staring at the spectacle is a primary marker of that.

I’ve said this before and will repeat for the thousandth time, Iran needs to understand the notion of a central clearinghouse for release of information. The clearinghouse house is consistent to the tee (…maybe intentionally inaccurate here and there as well).

 

[yugocrosrb95]

SM-100 is to have 3 ton force thrust dry, not afterburner. If it was to have latter then 5 ton force or greater.

 

[Hack-Hook]

No, since the Yak-130‘s engine lacks the afterburner and so without reheat you lack thrust … and so you never get a fighter comparable to the JF-17.

RD-93 50.0 kN (11,230 lbf) dry, 81.3 kN (18,285 lbf) afterburning.
AL222-25 (the model Russia produce currently) 24.7 kN (5,552.78 lbf) in takeoff mode (non-afterburning), 41.2 kN (9,262.13 lbf) afterburning.
so the power won't be problem the fuel consumption is the real problem here as 2x AL222 use alot more fuel than one RD-93

no, the Yak-130's turbofan has no afterburner at the moment.
It's the company Motor Sich (Ukraine) with turbofan AI-222-25( version F) having made it with afterburner for the Chinese L-15B aircraft, but at the moment it seems that only one prototype has flown with this turbofan

isn't Al-222-25 the version Russia produce after 2015 without Ukraine involvement

 

[sahureka2]

RD-93 50.0 kN (11,230 lbf) dry, 81.3 kN (18,285 lbf) afterburning.
1) AL222-25 (the model Russia produce currently) 24.7 kN (5,552.78 lbf) in takeoff mode (non-afterburning), 41.2 kN (9,262.13 lbf) afterburning.
so the power won't be problem the fuel consumption is the real problem here as 2x AL222 use alot more fuel than one RD-93


2) isn't Al-222-25 the version Russia produce after 2015 without Ukraine involvement

1) UAC Salyut does not currently produce the AI-222-25 in the afterburner version, therefore it is not correct to continue listing the performance of the Motor Sich AI-222-25F, which certainly will not be supplied by Ukraine.
2) the turbofan completely made in Russia after 2015 keeps the same designation AI-222-25.
as described in the Russian official site
https://www.uecrus.com/products-and-services/products/boevaya-aviatsiya/dvigatel-ai-222-25/

 

[Deino]

RD-93 50.0 kN (11,230 lbf) dry, 81.3 kN (18,285 lbf) afterburning.
AL222-25 (the model Russia produce currently) 24.7 kN (5,552.78 lbf) in takeoff mode (non-afterburning), 41.2 kN (9,262.13 lbf) afterburning.
so the power won't be problem the fuel consumption is the real problem here as 2x AL222 use alot more fuel than one RD-93
...

But AFAIK there is no afterburning version - at least one built in Russia available yet! And even more so since Russia bombed the Ukrainian factory from Ivchenko-Progress to rumble there is barely a chance it will be available anytime soon.
The only type that used the afterburner variant is the Chinese L-15B.

1) UAC Salyut does not currently produce the AI-222-25 in the afterburner version, therefore it is not correct to continue listing the performance of the Motor Sich AI-222-25F, which certainly will not be supplied by Ukraine.
2) the turbofan completely made in Russia after 2015 keeps the same designation AI-222-25.
as described in the Russian official site
https://www.uecrus.com/products-and-services/products/boevaya-aviatsiya/dvigatel-ai-222-25/

Exactly. the one with reheat is called AI-222-25F and even if in production again, Ukraine surely won't provide Iran with it.

 

[Deino]

It can have afterburner as evident with Chinese JL-10.

In case Iran was able to acquire license to produce SM-100 then a lot of possibilities are opening up.

No it cannot, the rear section of the L-15 is totally different to the Yak-130's. So you cannot simply fit and change the ab-variant.

Hey retard, the engine of Yak has afterbuner.

Stop polluting this section with your non sense.

Instead of insulting with stupid BS, just re-check the facts. The Russian Yak-130 has no afterburner equipped engines

As such I accept your apology and next time you better THINK or check the facts before you instantly post some plain stupid insults and make yourself look like a fool.

No afterburner on the AI-222-25 ... only the Ukrainian AI-222-25F has an afterburner.