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[VEVAK]

People forget how much the Syrian war cost Iran....conservative estimates start at 30 billion and go to 100 billion in aid and expenses.

That amount drastically reduced Iran’s ability to enhance its armed forces in many areas since the ‘civil war’ broke out 8 years ago.

I mean in the last 3 years what major project has been unvieled? Emad warhead? Karrar Tank? There hasn’t been any major new project.

Add in the expenses that Israeli airstrikes have had on all those weapons Iran has attempted to transfer to Hezbollah and the costs could potentially mean Iran has spent years worth of its yearly military budget just to prop up and enhance its allies.

Those estimates are all absurdly delusional! 100 Billion Toman maybe NOT Dollars!

The highest estimates are no more than $1 Billion USD in aid on a yearly bases!

Iran hasn't been flying fighters jets and attacking mass targets using high cost Missiles and PGM for the price tag to go that high!

UAV's, Ordinance and missiles used by Iran in Syra are by the most part low cost domestically produced products

 

[KapitaanAli]

Because There is no benefit in copying the aircraft as its an outdated design we need more capable design . Once there was an offer to supreme leader to copy the f-14 but the supreme leader reject it and asked for a new aircraft that lead in qaher project

A supreme mistake.

Should've copied it without the swing wings and you wouldn't have to wait for the mythical beast Qaher which won't do 10% of the ancient Tomcats.

 

[TheImmortal]

Those estimates are all absurdly delusional! 100 Billion Toman maybe NOT Dollars!

The highest estimates are no more than $1 Billion USD in aid on a yearly bases!

Iran hasn't been flying fighters jets and attacking mass targets using high cost Missiles and PGM for the price tag to go that high!

UAV's, Ordinance and missiles used by Iran in Syra are by the most part low cost domestically produced products

Your number is absurd if you think 1 Billion a year. Iran to prop up Syria war chest would have given much more than that alone let alone costs of equipment, arms, paying Hezbollah/Shiite militias soldiers salaries and benefits for martyred soldiers, cost of deployment soldiers etc.

Even if we assume just 2 billion dollars a year expense...that is still 16 billion US dollars that did not go to potentially capital intensive r&d military projects.

Irregardless of what you think, Syrian war cost Iran dearly. And Iran now has to share Syria with Russia/US/NATO.

 

[VEVAK]

Your number is absurd if you think 1 Billion a year. Iran to prop up Syria war chest would have given much more than that alone let alone costs of equipment, arms, paying Hezbollah/Shiite militias soldiers salaries and benefits for martyred soldiers, cost of deployment soldiers etc.

Even if we assume just 2 billion dollars a year expense...that is still 16 billion US dollars that did not go to potentially capital intensive r&d military projects.

Irregardless of what you think, Syrian war cost Iran dearly. And Iran now has to share Syria with Russia/US/NATO.

Military aspects are actually under average of $800 million a year(For the past 6 years) + Iranian aid + Loans and in total with the loans you could reach up to 16 Billion but it's not all military and it's not all handouts some are loans.

As for funding for manpower Iranian solder would have still gotten paid even if they were back home in Iran! Yes they do get extra but the only amount you can calculate into the cost is the extra they are getting on top of their regular salaries not the entire salaries! And it really isn't that much and Iran just doesn't have that many solders there for the costs to even come close to your previous figures!

And the equipment is mostly low tech Iranian produced weapons!

As for sharing Syria! Syria doesn't belong Iran or Russia to share! And the Russians have had a military base in Syria for a long time!
Iran's involvement in Syria was to prevent a Saudi backed ISIS from taking over an ally NOTHING MORE!

And Syria is one of Iran's few allies in the region so what exactly did you expect Iran to do? The government did the right thing!

 

[TheImmortal]

Military aspects are actually under average of $800 million a year(For the past 6 years) + Iranian aid + Loans and in total with the loans you could reach up to 16 Billion but it's not all military and it's not all handouts some are loans.

As for funding for manpower Iranian solder would have still gotten paid even if they were back home in Iran! Yes they do get extra but the only amount you can calculate into the cost is the extra they are getting on top of their regular salaries not the entire salaries! And it really isn't that much and Iran just doesn't have that many solders there for the costs to even come close to your previous figures!

And the equipment is mostly low tech Iranian produced weapons!

As for sharing Syria! Syria doesn't belong Iran or Russia to share! And the Russians have had a military base in Syria for a long time!
Iran's involvement in Syria was to prevent a Saudi backed ISIS from taking over an ally NOTHING MORE!

And Syria is one of Iran's few allies in the region so what exactly did you expect Iran to do? The government did the right thing!

wether it was handouts or loans doesn’t matter! It was money that was taken away from military projects! It explains lack of major projects! Almost all projects unvieled so far were started and almost finished prior to 2010 civil war starting!

Russia’s naval base prior to the civil war was an old broken down port hardly a naval base. It couldn’t even hold the major warships of the Russian fleet. Now Russia has an airbase and the port has been extensively upgraded.

Prior to civil war, Syria was a sovereign country now it is divided up by foreign powers (Iran included).

Iran made the right move defending its allies. It came at a great cost and while Iran will undoubtly benefit from this civil war, it came at the expense of major military projects wether you want to admit it or not.

With 16 billion dollars Iran could have started its own (serious) fighter jet program.

 

[VEVAK]

wether it was handouts or loans doesn’t matter! It was money that was taken away from military projects! It explains lack of major projects! Almost all projects unvieled so far were started and almost finished prior to 2010 civil war starting!

Russia’s naval base prior to the civil war was an old broken down port hardly a naval base. It couldn’t even hold the major warships of the Russian fleet. Now Russia has an airbase and the port has been extensively upgraded.

Prior to civil war, Syria was a sovereign country now it is divided up by foreign powers (Iran included).

Iran made the right move defending its allies. It came at a great cost and while Iran will undoubtly benefit from this civil war, it came at the expense of major military projects wether you want to admit it or not.

With 16 billion dollars Iran could have started its own (serious) fighter jet program.

How well equipped Russian bases were is not relevant the point is they had a base! You put assets where they are needed as needed so if the Russians didn't have Su-30's and Destroyers there before it's because they weren't needed there before.

It's total effect on Iran's military budget is no more than an average of $1 Billion USD a year for the past 6 years! And under the Rohani administration I have not doubt that those loans would NOT have gone towards Military projects! And aside from loans there was a lot of construction equipment & supplies (Iran today produces more cement than it can sell)..... and large portions were donations from regular Iranians and Iranian businesses

There is absolutely NOTHING beneficial for Iran with what's going on in Syria NOTHING AT ALL! The mess in Syria was created by the Americans with the help of the Saudi's and the only one that may benefit from it is the Americans!

Between 2004-2010 Americans were pushing Sunni Iraqi's into Syria to change the demographics in Syria and between 2010-2016 they pushed radicalized Sunni Iraqi's usually led by Saudi Wahabbi commanders into Syria to create a manufactured civil war and once that started to fail Americans went to their backup plan and used their connections with the Kurds in Iraq to slowly infiltrate and create relationships with and arm Syrian Kurds to turn them against the central government

If it wasn't for Iran ISIS would have been in control of Iraq and Syria
And we all know Iran is the main target the U.S. is fixated on!

Now why is the U.S. so fixated on Iran?
1.Shipping routs from ground & sea from pipelines to trains and railways Iran is strategically located and is vital for both China and India.
About 3 Billion of the worlds 7.5 Billion population live in China, India & Pakistan
From the Sea the Persian Gulf if vital to Iraq, Bahrain, UAE, Qatar, Kuwait, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia,.... and all other countries that wish to ship products to and from these countries and controlling the routes to and from those countries is vital in controlling the markets in those countries
2.Energy Iran is rich in both Oil and Natural Gas if you wanna control the world then you have to control what fuels their military and their country.
3.Other untapped natural resources from Gold to Copper
4.Prestige the U.S. was kicked out of Iran in 1979 and if Iran was allowed to prosper without the U.S. it would have set an example that was unacceptable for the U.S.

So knowing how fixated the U.S. is on Iran it would be utterly delusional for Iran to stick it's head in the sand and let the U.S. have it's way in Iraq and in Syria knowing full well that your next!!!!!

And yes even $1 Billion USD a year would have negative impacts on Iran's military if you have an irresponsible government!
$1Billion a year = 1000 $1 Million USD missiles on a YEARLY bases
So yea if you have an irresponsible government like the Rohani administration it effects us severely but that's mainly the Rohani administrations fault because that money shouldn't be coming from the military budget!

 

[TheImmortal]

Khamenei Fires Air Force Chief over Israeli F-35 Deep Penetration of Iran’s Sky
JNi.Media27 Sivan 5778 – June 9, 2018
Photo Credit: Photomontage using copyright free images


F-35 Adir over Tehran
Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei fired Iranian air force commander Brigadier General Farzad Ismaili, who had been in office since 2010, because the latter had hid from him the fact that Israeli F-35 planes had penetrated Iran’s sky, the Kuwaiti daily Al Jarida reported on Saturday.

The newspaper emphasized that it was the original media source that exposed the Israeli raids, which had taken place last March. Al Jarida cited senior Iranian military who said that only following its March report did the intelligence services of the Revolutionary Guards and the Iranian intelligence ministry begin to investigate the case, under direct orders from Khamenei.

According to the newspaper’s investigation, the IAF F-35 “Adir” planes penetrated Iran’s airspace, circled high above Tehran, Karajrak, Isfahan, Shiraz and Bandar Abbas – and photographed Iran’s air defense system.

One of the sources reported that Iran’s air defense system, including its Russian radar, did not detect the entry and exit of the fighter planes, and that Ismaili hid this information from the supreme leader to cover his corps’ failure. However, three weeks ago, Iranian intelligence discovered that the Israeli fighter jets had carried out this sortie as a test of the possibility of an undetected military attack on Iranian outposts and bases, during which they photographed those sensitive bases, evading the Russian S-300 missile system’s radar.

According to Al Jarida, Iranian intelligence received top secret information that the Israeli fighter planes even managed to photograph Iran’s underground bases. Khamenei, who received this information, now suspects a cooperation between Russia and Israel, and that the Russians gave Israel the secret code of the Russian radar in Iran – according to the Kuwaiti newspaper.

Khamenei fired the commander of Iran’s air defense system on May 29, replacing him with his deputy, General Alireza Sabahi-Fard.

http://www.jewishpress.com/news/mid...-35-deep-penetration-of-irans-sky/2018/06/09/

 

[airmarshal]

I dont think Iran is in any position to defend attack by Israel. Due to sanctions, Iran's air force is in a very bad shape. Its like putting bandages and tying rope around the airplane body to make them fly.

 

[Bahram Esfandiari]

Khamenei Fires Air Force Chief over Israeli F-35 Deep Penetration of Iran’s Sky
JNi.Media27 Sivan 5778 – June 9, 2018
Photo Credit: Photomontage using copyright free images


F-35 Adir over Tehran
Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei fired Iranian air force commander Brigadier General Farzad Ismaili, who had been in office since 2010, because the latter had hid from him the fact that Israeli F-35 planes had penetrated Iran’s sky, the Kuwaiti daily Al Jarida reported on Saturday.

The newspaper emphasized that it was the original media source that exposed the Israeli raids, which had taken place last March. Al Jarida cited senior Iranian military who said that only following its March report did the intelligence services of the Revolutionary Guards and the Iranian intelligence ministry begin to investigate the case, under direct orders from Khamenei.

According to the newspaper’s investigation, the IAF F-35 “Adir” planes penetrated Iran’s airspace, circled high above Tehran, Karajrak, Isfahan, Shiraz and Bandar Abbas – and photographed Iran’s air defense system.

One of the sources reported that Iran’s air defense system, including its Russian radar, did not detect the entry and exit of the fighter planes, and that Ismaili hid this information from the supreme leader to cover his corps’ failure. However, three weeks ago, Iranian intelligence discovered that the Israeli fighter jets had carried out this sortie as a test of the possibility of an undetected military attack on Iranian outposts and bases, during which they photographed those sensitive bases, evading the Russian S-300 missile system’s radar.

According to Al Jarida, Iranian intelligence received top secret information that the Israeli fighter planes even managed to photograph Iran’s underground bases. Khamenei, who received this information, now suspects a cooperation between Russia and Israel, and that the Russians gave Israel the secret code of the Russian radar in Iran – according to the Kuwaiti newspaper.

Khamenei fired the commander of Iran’s air defense system on May 29, replacing him with his deputy, General Alireza Sabahi-Fard.

http://www.jewishpress.com/news/mid...-35-deep-penetration-of-irans-sky/2018/06/09/

Don't you have anything better to do than post Israeli Propaganda?

 

[Parsipride]

Don't you have anything better to do than post Israeli Propaganda?

What do expect from a Hasbara troll

 

[Hack-Hook]

Khamenei Fires Air Force Chief over Israeli F-35 Deep Penetration of Iran’s Sky
JNi.Media27 Sivan 5778 – June 9, 2018
Photo Credit: Photomontage using copyright free images


F-35 Adir over Tehran
Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei fired Iranian air force commander Brigadier General Farzad Ismaili, who had been in office since 2010, because the latter had hid from him the fact that Israeli F-35 planes had penetrated Iran’s sky, the Kuwaiti daily Al Jarida reported on Saturday.

The newspaper emphasized that it was the original media source that exposed the Israeli raids, which had taken place last March. Al Jarida cited senior Iranian military who said that only following its March report did the intelligence services of the Revolutionary Guards and the Iranian intelligence ministry begin to investigate the case, under direct orders from Khamenei.

According to the newspaper’s investigation, the IAF F-35 “Adir” planes penetrated Iran’s airspace, circled high above Tehran, Karajrak, Isfahan, Shiraz and Bandar Abbas – and photographed Iran’s air defense system.

One of the sources reported that Iran’s air defense system, including its Russian radar, did not detect the entry and exit of the fighter planes, and that Ismaili hid this information from the supreme leader to cover his corps’ failure. However, three weeks ago, Iranian intelligence discovered that the Israeli fighter jets had carried out this sortie as a test of the possibility of an undetected military attack on Iranian outposts and bases, during which they photographed those sensitive bases, evading the Russian S-300 missile system’s radar.

According to Al Jarida, Iranian intelligence received top secret information that the Israeli fighter planes even managed to photograph Iran’s underground bases. Khamenei, who received this information, now suspects a cooperation between Russia and Israel, and that the Russians gave Israel the secret code of the Russian radar in Iran – according to the Kuwaiti newspaper.

Khamenei fired the commander of Iran’s air defense system on May 29, replacing him with his deputy, General Alireza Sabahi-Fard.

http://www.jewishpress.com/news/mid...-35-deep-penetration-of-irans-sky/2018/06/09/

please decide , it's air-force chief who get sacked or air-defence commander ?

 

[VEVAK]

Khamenei Fires Air Force Chief over Israeli F-35 Deep Penetration of Iran’s Sky
JNi.Media27 Sivan 5778 – June 9, 2018
Photo Credit: Photomontage using copyright free images


F-35 Adir over Tehran
Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei fired Iranian air force commander Brigadier General Farzad Ismaili, who had been in office since 2010, because the latter had hid from him the fact that Israeli F-35 planes had penetrated Iran’s sky, the Kuwaiti daily Al Jarida reported on Saturday.

The newspaper emphasized that it was the original media source that exposed the Israeli raids, which had taken place last March. Al Jarida cited senior Iranian military who said that only following its March report did the intelligence services of the Revolutionary Guards and the Iranian intelligence ministry begin to investigate the case, under direct orders from Khamenei.

According to the newspaper’s investigation, the IAF F-35 “Adir” planes penetrated Iran’s airspace, circled high above Tehran, Karajrak, Isfahan, Shiraz and Bandar Abbas – and photographed Iran’s air defense system.

One of the sources reported that Iran’s air defense system, including its Russian radar, did not detect the entry and exit of the fighter planes, and that Ismaili hid this information from the supreme leader to cover his corps’ failure. However, three weeks ago, Iranian intelligence discovered that the Israeli fighter jets had carried out this sortie as a test of the possibility of an undetected military attack on Iranian outposts and bases, during which they photographed those sensitive bases, evading the Russian S-300 missile system’s radar.

According to Al Jarida, Iranian intelligence received top secret information that the Israeli fighter planes even managed to photograph Iran’s underground bases. Khamenei, who received this information, now suspects a cooperation between Russia and Israel, and that the Russians gave Israel the secret code of the Russian radar in Iran – according to the Kuwaiti newspaper.

Khamenei fired the commander of Iran’s air defense system on May 29, replacing him with his deputy, General Alireza Sabahi-Fard.

http://www.jewishpress.com/news/mid...-35-deep-penetration-of-irans-sky/2018/06/09/

So now your spreading absurd Israeli Propaganda?

Israeli's only have 9 F-35's so risking even a single one by flying it into a country that's 1000 km away just so you can create fear is ABSURD!

Plus, Israelis can fly UCAV's that have a far smaller RCS than the F-35's into Iranian Air Space using American Tech! So why exactly would they ever risk their F-35's just to supposedly create fear? And it's not like the Israeli's have a fleet of 500 F-35's for Iran to be afraid of them they only have 9!

Plus the Head of Iran's Air Defense Force got promoted recently! So according to you the Israeli's penetrate Iran's Air Defense and as a response Iran's supreme leader promotes the head of Iran's Air Defense Force!

Esmaili is practically being groomed to head Iran's Artesh within the next decade!

I can't tell you why Iran's Air Force commander was replaced but what I can tell you is that Iran's Air Force needs commanders smart enough to realize that Iran's Air Force needs to get up on it's own two feet which means Iran's Air Force should have had extensive R&D projects that addresses Iran's need for Jet engines, Fighter Jets, Bombers, Trainers, Support aircraft, Jet Powered UCAV's, Precision Guided Air to ground munitions,.....

Iran's Air Force has been one of the least productive branches of Iran's military! Today IRGC is building UAV's with PGM capabilities while Iran's Air Force hasn't even managed to give PGM capabilities to it's F-5's

And the fact that Iran's Air Force hasn't even attempted to build fighter bombers comparable to what the French were building in the late 50's shows that this is not about technology or human resources or tools and equipment or even funding this is about incompetent leadership

please decide , it's air-force chief who get sacked or air-defence commander ?

Air Defense commander is being groomed to head Iran's Artesh within the next decade!

https://www.tasnimnews.com/fa/news/...یر-اسماعیلی-دستیار-و-مشاور-فرمانده-کل-ارتش-شد

https://www.tasnimnews.com/fa/news/...نده-جدید-قرارگاه-پدافند-هوایی-معارفه-شد-سوابق

If Iran's supreme leader went around demoting people every time an enemy aircraft penetrated Iran's Air Defense our country would be in a lot of trouble because we'd run out of commanders!

 

[TheImmortal]

So now your spreading absurd Israeli Propaganda?

I thought it was amusing. And it is Psy ops.

It is no different than the 100 articles published by Iran’s military saying that “X project will be completed by end of Iranian new year”

 

[07_SeppDietrich]

Is my estimated about Iran air force aircraft equipment true?

 

[VEVAK]

Is my estimated about Iran air force aircraft equipment true?

NOPE!
Only 24 F-14 (20 in storage with status unknown high estimates are that only 10 could be made flight worthy in an emergency)
Only 24 MiG-29's
Only 24 Saegheh/Azarakhsh/Simorgh combined and most are Azarakhsh & Simorgh not Saegheh
Less than 24 Su-24's
60 F-4's 60 F-5's
20 J-7/Su-22