IRGC & Artesh Reportedly ordered to drop financial activities

[Fafnir]

khamenei murdered almost 30 protesters in streets, he's responsible as the head of country and security forces and he does not care because he's above the law. So it's still doubtful to trust this person and his words. Now it's wait and see.

The recent demonstrations were spread across the country and were different from middle-class Tehrani or student protests. The lower class took part, even in holy cities Qom and Mashhad and in some places religious symbols were attacked. This can be seen as calm before storm...

The regime now knows that their communist-islamist system is failing badly and is one of the factors that makes the Iranian nation angry, however they are in a really difficult situation. If they give up their failed communist-islamist economy (IRGC, Bonyads, State companies etc..) by privatisation and taxasion, it means they give up their political and social power.

Some Islamists are now saying people are angry because Rouhani is cutting the subsidies. While Rouhani was shoved down the throat of Iranian nation serving as the puppet of the islamic regime for the task of correcting difficult tasks which were the regimes own failures (economy, nuclear deal) and while Rouhani is saving khamenei and the whole regime by taking all the blame, still the same islamists are accusing him of the mess they themselves created.

What the islamists want is communist measures to keep the people, or at least their own supporters silent. These measures are handouts, subsidies, clerics and mosques who give meat to the people etc. However these fake measures create a harsh blowback because it will only save them temporary in tempering the people, but meanwhile the silent destruction of the economy continues from inside, like cancers which is not detected and suddenly comes above and kills the patient within a short period. Then more worser chaos will follow when the money basket for communist and islamic measures and propaganda becomes empty.

People here can search after my posts before the Iranian "elections"/selections. Before (s)elections in Iran I was writing why this failed regime and their puppet candidates don't concentrate on these huge problems, meanwhile islamist mods and their supporters here banned me and censored my posts (for spam). Now the whole system is FORCED to take SOME measures (which I mentioned those comments) to PREVENT the collapse of the REGIME.

They have 3 options now:
1. Continue with the corrupt communist-islamist system by letting irgc and bonyads go on with their activities>>> leads to collapse of whole system.

2. Enforcing the communist-islamist economy by returning old habits such as subsidies and stopping reforms by selecting some Raeesi like figure in the next presidental Selections. This will prolong the life of the regime a little bit, but the backlash and chaos will be harsh and will lead to the collapse of the system.

3. Reforms of communist-islamist system by cutting economical power of the state and those related to the state (irgc, bonyads, state companies). This will weaken the socio-cultural power of the state and will lead to further reform/change demands which will go beyond the question of economy. The question of political and social changes will arise.

Which option will the regime chose? please discuss.

Wait so the latest nasty name to call the iri is communist-islamist [with a hypen?] not the standard old western neologism of "islamofascist"?,what ever is next...oh I know how about islamocommiefascist,that way you can accuse the iri of being both fascist and communist...oh and lets not forget islamic as well.
Seriously tho` I dont see much evidence of any kind that irans society or economy is modeled or run along communist or fascist lines.
As for the irgc from what I`ve read it was originally encouraged by the government to get into the business of business not only to make profits which could then be used to pay for its own budget rather than having to rely solely on the government for this but also to aid in the reconstruction effort after the war,so there was actually some sound capitalistic thinking behind it.I suspect another reason why it developed some of its own industries was simply because irans private sector,at least at the time,simply might not have been able to supply them with the weapons and technologies that they thought they needed.Lastly the irgc and its subsidiaries employs large numbers of iranian businesses and contractors,the Khatam al-Anbia employs 25000 people of whom only 10% are actual irgc members.
As for the iris economic options,well for a start I think your obituary of the iri is a little bit premature,certainly I dont think the protests ever seriously threatened the governments hold on power,now as for their options I think rouhani will probably continue with his western style neo liberal policies,ironcally despite the fact that these same policies contributed greatly to the current global economic disaster that has taken almost a decade to recover from to some extent,tho in one sense these have been wildly successful in that they have made the rich in the west and elsewhere even more fantastically richer....yaaay!,but sadly this was of course at the expense of literally everyone else...boooo!,but when it comes down to it its not like rouhani really has any other options does he?,I mean the economic reforms and the jcoa was pretty much why he was elected.
Ultimately it will depend on how successful these are and how much pain they will inflict versus the benefits,another factor could be if the jcpoa delivers on the hopes [unrealistic I think] that many in iran both ordinary citizens and politicians originally had for it.Regardless of the economic policies tho I dont think the iri is going to collapse anytime soon,in fact I think its far more likely that irans gulfie neighbors will probably be the ones to go down the gurgler long before the iri does and also hopefully the iranians themselves would have learned a valuable lesson from the catastrophe that was the "arab spring".

 

[WordsMatter]

How very simple minded you are.

Coming from you it's a compliment... thanks.

Shutup disgusting Yankee terrorist.

What? Who? Why?

 

[VEVAK]

it hurts both the IRGC and the Iranian economy.

A military forces job should be MILITARY. their entire purpose, attention and focus should be that. That's the only way you can build an efficient fighting force. you cannot seriously tell me that having a massive side business empire that's controls a large chunk of the national GDP is not going to distracts them from their primary focus.

that's not going to encourage massive corruption and decay. its enevitable. its going to happen, especially in a system where corruption unfortunately exists at all levels/institutions of the government.

in addition to hurting their combat capabilities. Having an organization as rich and powerful as the IRGC involved in the civil sector is going to completely kill any private activity. Nobody can compete with a massively powerful government institution that gets an official budget 4xtimes the national army (while being 1/3 ~ the size) , and has enormous influence in the government, ability to win contracts etcetc...

the IRGCs business activities hurt themselves, and the Iranian economy. and creates an environment where a serious private sector cannot exist, and everything is controlled by the state and military.

NONSESE!
Again I ask how is it that the very same people that have a problem with the IRGC investing in the economy at the same time have no problem with foreign countries coming and investing in Iran?
At the end of the day the more money any organization puts into the economy the better off the economy will be!

As for the Military aspect today it's R&D conducted by the IRGC that has led to the construction of Iran's most significant weapons!

Arteshes Air Force in the past 3 decades hasn't even been able to upgrade and equip it's own F-5's with PGM capability! And you can't blame sanctions or lack of funding for that! THAT IS PURE INCOMPATANCE!

Today it's the IRGC that's building the most advanced UAV's in Iran NOT the Air Force!

This is the most advanced UAV built by the Air Force


vs IRGC's





And the most significant weapons in Iran's arsenal are it's Ballistic Missiles which were all developed from R&D conducted by the IRGC!


And yes I do believe that there should be some regulations on IRGC's involvement in the economy.
Yes the government should make sure that the majority of IRGC's net profits actually go towards new weapons, equipment & tools R&D and acquisition!
Yes the government should make sure that the IRGC's involvement in the economy is restricted to areas that require large investments that aren't so easy to come by & IRGC should be banned from being involved in small business


But to ban the IRGC from the economy is ridicules, thoughtless & it will ONLY hurt Iran's economy, military capability and regular people!

 

[zartosht]

vevak

the only nonsense thing I see is you constantly blaming the air force for their current state.

Its absolutely disrespectful and ignorant. yet you constantly do it.

on what planet in this galaxy do air forces build and procure their own planes? in every other place on earth there are dedicated state supported companies to do this. whether private or state owned. but they are their own dedicated companys.

secondly, the entire Iranian artesh gets a budget 1/4 the size the IRGC. how much of that goes to the air force? and how much of that can they spend towards building new aircraft? its so ridiculous I don't even know where to start.

next you accuse the air force of laziness and lack of innovation. The same airforce who fought fiercely and outclassed and destroyed saddams heavily supported air force. even though iran was sanctioned and isolated, the pilots and their officers were jailed, executed, and held in suspicion. under these circumstances they outclassed the Iraqis and contributed massively and decisively to irans war effort. so have a little respect.

this is also the same airforce that managed to convert SAM missiles into air to air missiles in the middle of t he war to be able to operate. does that sound like a lack of innovation?

this is the same air force that shocked and still continues to surprise western analyst by the way it has maintained its fleet without any assistance.

The reality is. Aircraft procurement is not the responsibility of the air force. during the early days of the revolution the government actively undermined them. Later on they became last priority to anything IRGC. They simply have never been given anything remotely resembling proper resources. Its actually amazing that they have kept a functional air force going in these circumstances. To expect to have built high quality planes under such circumstances and lack of resources is just ignorant on your part.

and the fact that you don't even dispute the other points about hurting the IRGCs combat capabilities and encouraging corruption I guess proves my point.