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October:02:2014

“It’s Not the Same!”

Writing at Al-Monitor, Bader al-Rashed, a Saudi commentator, points out how the government of Saudi Arabia seems to be trying to draw a line between the dominant interpretation of Islam in Saudi Arabia (frequently called “Wahhabism”) and the beliefs and actions of ISIS. There are efforts being made to identify ISIS as Kharajites, referring to the 7th C. group that supported a philosophy at odds with both Sunni and Shi’a interpretations of Islam and Islamic rule and was noted for its harsh implementation of takfirism.

This is all well and good, al-Rashed writes, but is complicated by the fact that ISIS is busy handing out books written by Mohammad ibn Abdul Wahhab, whose writing are at the core of Saudi religious belief and practice. Oops.

Over the past 10 years or so, the Saudi government has tried to back away from the most severe interpretations of Islam that it had largely acquiesced to following the 1979 seizure of the Grand Mosque in Mecca. It has managed to do so, to some extent. The government, though, has not been able to ‘convert’ all Saudis to a regime of tolerance. This is proved by its now having to arrest and imprison domestic extremists.

How Saudi Arabia is distancing itself from the Islamic State
Bader al-Rashed

Thirteen years after US President George W. Bush declared war on terrorism, the Middle East is no closer to victory. Instead, terrorism appears to have morphed into an even more dangerous beast in the form of the Islamic State (IS). Westerners, as expressed through the media, seem to be under the same impression as they were after Sept. 11, 2001 — namely, that the Sunni jihadist movement is linked to the Wahhabi brand of Islam emanating from Saudi Arabia. This has prompted renewed debate among Saudis about this supposed Wahhabist-jihadist connection.

After bombings in Riyadh by al-Qaeda in 2003, the relationship between terrorism and religious extremism was widely discussed in the kingdom, with the government establishing the King Abdulaziz Center for National Dialogue that same year. During the dialogue’s second meeting, Extremism and Moderation … A Comprehensive Methodological Vision, it was agreed that religious programs in Saudi Arabia were the primary force behind the spread of extremism in society. As a result of the dialogue, school curricula, the religious curriculum in particular, were modified by the Ministry of Education. Doubts remained, however, that religious education had been sufficiently modified given that radical Islamists were believed to dominate the education sector in the kingdom.

Saudi Arabia is today taking seriously the allegations in the international media that it is the ideological root of the current jihadist groups. Some have sought to defend the country’s religious vision by trying to disassociate Sunni jihadist groups from their brand of Islam, instead castigating other groups, such as the Kharijites — an Islamic sect separate from Sunnis and Shiites that emerged from the first Islamic civil war in the seventh century between Ali Ibn Ali Talib and Muawiya Ibn Abi Sufyan following the killing of the third caliph, Uthman Ibn ...​

Here comes the idiotic fake American "Jew" and his usual anti-Arab, anti-Muslim and anti-KSA propaganda. ISIS is handling out the Noble Qur'an. Why is that not mentioned? So by that logic Islam = ISIS? No prove of that claim either.

Sheikh Muhammad ibn Abdul-Wahhab al-Tamimi (ra) was an eminent Islamic scholar of the Hanbali fiqh of his time that corrected un-Islamic practices in Najd in the 18th century. His call to Tawhid is an absolute core principle of Islam that every single Muslim will agree to.

How is it Islam's fault, any historical MUSLIM scholar etc. that certain individuals misuse their work and turn it into something that has nothing to do with their work? ISIS and other groups claim that they are following Islam yet the evidence on the ground proves the opposite on most occasions.

How about that for a second? Oh, well simpletons like you don't think that far.

ISIS has absolutely nothing to do with KSA. It founders were not from KSA, none of it leaders have been so, nor was that terrorist organization born in KSA, nor have most of their teachings anything to do with Islam let alone any madahib in that religion. Nor that of KSA. ISIS has unfortunately attracted misguided individuals (mostly youngsters from difficult homes) from KSA and hundreds of other countries. That's it.

Aside from that then there is a general consensus in the Islamic world and among the most respected Islamic scholars that ISIS are today's Khawarij.

Your "Crossroads of Arabia" is a nonsense blog written by an Islamophobe that knows very little about the ground realities other than parroting certain rumors, misconceptions and nonsense.

Anyway all that writing will NEVER change the fact that KSA Is the cradle of Islam and will remain so until the end of times and with all the responsibilities that come with that.

The West has always feared Arabs and the Islamic Caliphate/Empire that Arabs ruled for 1000 years. We have been the utmost rivals of Christendom for 1400 straight years. They don't fear any an ideology as much as Islam. They have not yet forgot the almost 1000 year long occupation of Iberia and other areas of Southern Europe (heartland of European civilization). Hence all the propaganda. Yet the West and Europe owes a hell lot not only to Arabs but our ancient Semitic ancestors from the ME too. Without both Europe would have looked much more differently and not for the better!
Of course there are also educated people that know the history and who do not have such an fear/hatred etc. of Arabs that a fake American "Jew" like you have.

PS: You must love the fact that 20% of Israel's population is Arab and that 60% of the Jewish Israeli population are Jewish Arabs or partial Jewish Arabs.

 

[ResurgentIran]

Here comes the idiotic fake American "Jew" and his usual anti-Arab, anti-Muslim and anti-KSA propaganda. ISIS is handling out the Noble Qur'an. Why is that not mentioned? So by that logic Islam = ISIS? No prove of that claim either.

Sheikh Muhammad ibn Abdul-Wahhab al-Tamimi (ra) was an eminent Islamic scholar of the Hanbali fiqh of his time that corrected un-Islamic practices in Najd in the 18th century. His call to Tawhid is an absolute core principle of Islam that every single Muslim will agree to.

How is it Islam's fault, any historical MUSLIM scholar etc. that certain individuals misuse their work and turn it into something that has nothing to do with their work? ISIS and other groups claim that they are following Islam yet the evidence on the grown proves the opposite on most occasions.

How about that for a second? Oh, well simpletons like you don't think that far.

ISIS has absolutely nothing to do with KSA. It founders were not from KSA, none of it leaders have been so, nor was that terrorist organization born in KSA, nor have most of their teachings anything to do with Islam let alone any madahib in that religion. Nor that of KSA. ISIS has unfortunately attracted misguided individuals (mostly youngsters from difficult homes) from KSA and hundreds of other countries. That's it.

Aside from that then there is a general consensus in the Islamic world and among the most respected Islamic scholars that ISIS are today's Khawarij.

Your "Crossroads of Arabia" is a nonsense blog written by an Islamophobe that knows very little about the ground realities other than parroting certain rumors, misconceptions and nonsense.

Anyway all that writing will NEVER change the fact that KSA Is the cradle of Islam and will remain so until the end of times and with all the responsibilities that come with that.

The West has always feared Arabs and the Islamic Caliphate/Empire that Arabs ruled for 1000 years. We have been the utmost rivals of Christendom for 1400 straight years. They don't fear any an ideology as much as Islam. They have not yet forgot the almost 1000 year long occupation of Iberia and other areas of Southern Europe (heartland of European civilization). Hence all the propaganda. Yet the West and Europe owes a hell lot not only to Arabs but our ancient Semitic ancestors from the ME too. Without both Europe would have looked much more differently and not for the better!
Of course there are also educated people that know the history and who do not have such an fear/hatred etc. of Arabs that a fake American "Jew" like you have.

PS: You must love the fact that 20% of Israel's population is Arab and that 60% of the Jewish Israeli population are Jewish Arabs or partial Jewish Arabs.

You're back!

 

[Syrian Lion]

ISIL & Other Terror Groups are Tools of Saudi Monarchy: Saudi Director of Gulf Institute
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In this interview with Ali al-Ahmed, the Director of the Institute for Gulf Affairs that is based in Washington DC, he says that the Saudi Monarchy has used Wahhabi extremist groups such as the Islamic State (IS, aka ISIL or ISIS) as a key part of its strategy in the Middle East since the 1930s. He also explains the reasons behind some of the apparent contradictions between their unannounced policy of supporting extremists such as ISIL on one hand and their declared public policy and alliance with the US government on the other.

 

[al-Hasani]

Some sheikhs of the tribes in Iraq or Syria who are with ISIS, the Lions of Anbar selling their asses to everyone who comes along, be it Americans in 2004, Safavid Iraqis and today ISIS.

@BLACKEAGLE if you don't mind let me tag you to inform you about the lions of Anbar. As we spoke earlier about the tribal people of the region, Iraq/Syria and possibly the related ones nearby. I told you they bow to everyone who comes along, Americans in 2004, Safavids after and ISIS now to avoid their blood being shed for their supposed values which they don't seem to have.

What do you seriously expect them to do? The Iraqi army who is supposed to protect them and all other Iraqis ran away and is non-existent. Who is going to defend them then? Only themselves. They are not able to defeat ISIS when their hometowns, villages and native areas gets overrun. They are poorly armed in comparison with ISIS on all fronts despite Iraq being flooded by weapons.

Yet it were the natives (Sunni Arabs and their families/clans/tribes) of Al-Anbar, Ninawa, Salah-ad-Din, Diyala, Babil, Baghdad etc. that defeated Al-Qaeda back in 2006 and 2007 and they were the ones who gave the most sacrifices for Iraq and lost most sons and daughters sometimes even. Same today and this was also the situation before ISIS overran Mosul and 1/3 of Iraq.

Did you forgot what the ISIS devils did against the Al Sheitat tribe in Syria because they started rebelling? What they do is preventing themselves and their children, cities etc. (whole lives) from being destroyed. They cannot defeat ISIS. They will join the fight against ISIS when the time will be right for that. No need to play dumb hero. It's suicide.
You think that the tribes in Southern Iraq (Shias) are any different? They are not. Even worse. Only a few thousands, sometimes hundred, Mahdi terrorists managed to hijack Basra, Najaf etc. and many other Southern Iraqi towns before the Americans and Iraqi army had to interfere and free those towns because the locals were largely silent. It seems to me that you have been exposed to too much anti-Sunni Arab sentiments from your Shia Arab countrymen despite being an Iraqi Sunni Arab yourself.

You think that those Shia Iraqis in Samawah below (which you call tribals despite them being ordinary citizens just like those you call tribals in Al-Anbar) are any different? Would you not look for your own family first yourself? You would. 99,9% of all people would.

As long as that tribe is not joining ISIS in terms of fighting there should be no problem. If that tribe/clan really loved ISIS so much they would have created ISIS before ISIS emerged. Obviously they want to rule themselves like any other locals in the world.

Oh, and everyone knows that the most fierce resistance against the American occupiers in Iraq was done by Iraqi Sunni Arabs. Specially in Al-Anbar. So @BLACKEAGLE is right about that. Look at the number of American/coalition casualties/wounded by province in Iraq and you can realize that yourself. So it's not a hoax but a fact.

You're back!

I am fine mate. Hope you are doing well.

 

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What do you seriously expect them to do? The Iraqi army who is supposed to protect them and all other Iraqis ran away and is non-existent. Who is going to defend them then? Only themselves. They are not able to defeat ISIS when their hometowns, villages and native areas gets overrun. They are poorly armed in comparison with ISIS on all fronts despite Iraq being flooded by weapons.

Yet it were the natives (Sunni Arabs and their families/clans/tribes) of Al-Anbar, Ninawa, Salah-ad-Din, Diyala, Babil, Baghdad etc. that defeated Al-Qaeda back in 2006 and 2007 and they were the ones who gave the most sacrifices for Iraq and lost most sons and daughters sometimes even. Same today and this was also the situation before ISIS overran Mosul and 1/3 of Iraq.

Did you forgot what the ISIS devils did against the Al Sheitat tribe in Syria because they started rebelling? What they do is preventing themselves and their children, cities etc. (whole lives) from being destroyed. They cannot defeat ISIS. They will join the fight against ISIS when the time will be right for that. No need to play dumb hero. It's suicide.
You think that the tribes in Southern Iraq (Shias) are any different? They are not. Even worse. Only a few thousands, sometimes hundred, Mahdi terrorists managed to hijack Basra, Najaf etc. and many other Southern Iraqi towns before the Americans and Iraqi army defeated them.

You think that those Shia Iraqis in Samawah below (which you call tribals despite them being ordinary citizens just like those you call tribals in Al-Anbar) are any different? Would you not look for your own family first yourself? You would. 99,9% of all people would.

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I'm not asking the tribesmen and other locals to defeat ISIS, they lack weaponry and aren't all capable to fight for long periods but they are the locals and are large in majority, without their support IA will not be able to defeat ISIS, with their support ISIS will be defeated easily. I don't blame all locals, many are helpless and just follow the rest/big leaders as they have no other choice to stay alive, except those in the pictures are the sheikhs of tribes and clans, they have influence. But they keep playing it safe for themselves allowing everyone in, now what do they want America to clean it up and they will turn against ISIS ? it's like a thief inside your house and you refuse to fight him wanting others far away to worry about it. What they're doing is a shame, bringing water and food to ISIS and playing friendly putting up different faces all the time as if they have no loyalty to anything. Selling out their own people to be murdered by ISIS so they can save themselves.​

I know about the tribe in Deir al Zor, there are always risks but this is different then in Syria, in Syria they were alone with no one on their side. In Iraq for example Tikrit which is near Baghdad there are many IA troops near fighting them in the surroundings of the city, the coalition air force is there to strike ISIS so what more do they need to stand up against ISIS, do they want to wait it out and have foreign forces come and defeat ISIS. No force can remove ISIS from a city if the locals don't start throwing them out of their houses first, unless the entire city gets leveled like the Americans did in the 2nd battle of Fallujah though who wants that repeated, not the locals for sure.

Look at Amirli, ISIS didn't get into the village despite the siege as none inside welcomed them, but that makes sense they would kill those Shi'a. Still no proper excuse for Sunnis to do nothing, it's doing nothing and pulling a blind eye to avoid the risk that gives ISIS the freedom to exist in certain area's. If this excuse of doing nothing is approved by you then do you think they wouldn't get in Baghdad and other cities if people there have such mentality, of course they would. Some groups have been taking the risks like the one of Abu Risha, good from them but it looks like the majority are again acting like sheep without ideology, today feeding ISIS tomorrow they will welcome IA/Americans. I believe they only know violence in these days, them being in fear is what pushes them to a decision, Saddam made use of this by leveling villages like Dujail. Even Americans used the same tactic in the 2nd battle of Fallujah so what other option is left. There won't be a right time for them to act, the more they wait the more likely it is Americans will again start bombing cities killing locals.​

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[al-Hasani]

I'm not asking the tribesmen and other locals to defeat ISIS, they lack weaponry and aren't all capable to fight for long periods but they are the locals and are large in majority, without their support IA will not be able to defeat ISIS, with their support ISIS will be defeated easily. I don't blame all locals, many are helpless and just follow the rest/big leaders as they have no other choice to stay alive, except those in the pictures are the sheikhs of tribes and clans, they have influence. But they keep playing it safe for themselves allowing everyone in, now what do they want America to clean it up and they will turn against ISIS ? it's like a thief inside your house and you refuse to fight him wanting others far away to worry about it. What they're doing is a shame, bringing water and food to ISIS and playing friendly putting up different faces all the time as if they have no loyalty to anything. Selling out their own people to be murdered by ISIS so they can save themselves.​

I know about the tribe in Deir al Zor, there are always risks but this is different then in Syria, in Syria they were alone with no one on their side. In Iraq for example Tikrit which is near Baghdad there are many IA troops near fighting them in the surroundings of the city, the coalition air force is there to strike ISIS so what more do they need to stand up against ISIS, do they want to wait it out and have foreign forces come and defeat ISIS. No force can remove ISIS from a city if the locals don't start throwing them out of their houses first, unless the entire city gets leveled like the Americans did in the 2nd battle of Fallujah though who wants that repeated, not the locals for sure.

Look at Amirli, ISIS didn't get into the village despite the siege as none inside welcomed them, but that makes sense they would kill those Shi'a. Still no proper excuse for Sunnis to do nothing, it's doing nothing and pulling a blind eye to avoid the risk that gives ISIS the freedom to exist in certain area's. If this excuse of doing nothing is approved by you then do you think they wouldn't get in Baghdad and other cities if people there have such mentality, of course they would. Some groups have been taking the risks like the one of Abu Risha, good from them but it looks like the majority are again acting like sheep without ideology, today feeding ISIS tomorrow they will welcome IA/Americans. I believe they only know violence in these days, them being in fear is what pushes them to a decision, Saddam made use of this by leveling villages like Dujail. Even Americans used the same tactic in the 2nd battle of Fallujah so what other option is left. There won't be a right time for them to act, the more they wait the more likely it is Americans will again start bombing cities killing locals.​

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Are the tribes and locals not exactly doing that? Fighting against ISIS? From what I have seen, read about, investigated and know from local sources the locals are actively taking part in fighting Daesh along with the Iraqi army and various Iraqi Shia militias that also take part in the fighting and other volunteers.

If it was so easy for them to fight against Daesh as you say then why did the AMERICANS have so much trouble defeating Al-Qaeda back in 2006 and 2007 when they were much weaker than ISIS is now? I think that you have no idea how the ground realities are in the occupied cities of Al-Anbar, Salah ad-Din, Diyala, Ninawa etc. I suggest that you go and see local Iraqi Arab forums, Twitter and Facebook and see what the locals write. I have seen that they make Facebook/Twitter profiles under false names where they write what they really believe and expose Daesh. They cannot write it under their real names due to risking being killed and harming their families.

The local tribes are not even real organized tribes. It's just a few old shiekh's that think they still have power. Most tribes are made up by dozens of ordinary families, clans etc. I do not know what your father's family name/tribe is but imagine that he went back to his local area and joined the fight. He would be called tribal fighter.

They have no choice. Also many tribes have not allied themselves with ISIS at all and always fought them. They have made more sacrifices than all other Iraqis. Because unlike your average Iraqi from Basra 600 km south from Fallujah or Ramadi let alone Mosul their entire families are not in danger 24/7 all year around.

But once again the main problem is that we are even discussing this. If Iraq had a functional army we would not even talk about this. Why is it the job of locals to defend themselves? In Holland or Denmark nobody expects locals to defend themselves from groups like ISIS if they existed. This would be the job of the NATIONAL army. Now, how can a few tribals, old, middle-aged and some young, that are poorly armed outgun ISIS? Have you forgot that most of the population are children, elders and women? Iraq like most other Arab/ME countries have very young populations. The Iraqi army/Peshmerga complain about being outgun by ISIS because they are better equipped yet some tribals in villages (like that one you posted) are expected to defeat ISIS? This is on the borderlands with Syria. The stronghold of ISIS. It's impossible.

I never said that it is something to be proud of. It is not and I also believe that they are not proud of it but again what can they do? If not they will be killed, their whole families or they will have to flee and loose everything. Who is going to look after them? Nobody.

Obviously some of the locals have also been brainwashed/exposed to ISIS ideology after so many months and some places even years. Moreover some people probably have many fears such as whether they will be targeted by Shia militias, the Iraqi army, Shias etc. There are lot of questions that are understandable. This is the ME and Iraq. People think differently. There is no big trust like in Netherlands.

Amirli was a special case as you say. Those people fought for their lives and there were a lot o them. Nor is that city located as far from the capital/government controlled areas as that area of Al-Anbar or even Mosul. So not fully comparable.

This idea of carpet bombing whole cities (Mosul, Fallujah and Tikrit for instance) will be a suicide tactic that will just create more hatred and make the locals even more determined to fight against the government. Look at Fallujah. It has gained the reputation of being the city of Jihad all over the ME. Because of such actions. The locals are now also prepared for almost everything. Before you could scare them? Now not.

Anyway all this is bound in the political failures of Iraq, the army, the ME and what is going on in Syria. None of this would have happened had Al-Asshead been toppled. Al-Asshead's terror regime enabled the rise of ISIS and while the Syrians were carpet bombed the whole world looked silently. The Arab regimes are to blame tpo and regional powers. In many ways they are incompetent and only looking out for their thrones.

 

[Alienoz_TR]

New statement and photos emerged from pro-IS sources. Looks like Peshmerga left 3 or 4 bodies in the mountains lying in the north of Bashiqa, Nineveh Province.

From what one can see in the photos, IS still operates fireteams in the eastern countryside of Mosul.

 

[Alienoz_TR]

Some battle scenes from Rabi'a border crossing, or faked scenes to make a documentary for American viewers.

The clashes around Sinjar mountains and Yaroubiya/Rabi'a border crossing have largely gone unnoticed while we were looking at the battle of Ayn Al Arab/Kobane. From now on I'll try catching news and posting it here.

--> Map 04/10/2014

 

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Are the tribes and locals not exactly doing that? Fighting against ISIS? From what I have seen, read about, investigated and know from local sources the locals are actively taking part in fighting Daesh along with the Iraqi army and various Iraqi Shia militias that also take part in the fighting and other volunteers.

If it was so easy for them to fight against Daesh as you say then why did the AMERICANS have so much trouble defeating Al-Qaeda back in 2006 and 2007 when they were much weaker than ISIS is now? I think that you have no idea how the ground realities are in the occupied cities of Al-Anbar, Salah ad-Din, Diyala, Ninawa etc. I suggest that you go and see local Iraqi Arab forums, Twitter and Facebook and see what the locals write. I have seen that they make Facebook/Twitter profiles under false names where they write what they really believe and expose Daesh. They cannot write it under their real names due to risking being killed and harming their families.

The local tribes are not even real organized tribes. It's just a few old shiekh's that think they still have power. Most tribes are made up by dozens of ordinary families, clans etc. I do not know what your father's family name/tribe is but imagine that he went back to his local area and joined the fight. He would be called tribal fighter.

They have no choice. Also many tribes have not allied themselves with ISIS at all and always fought them. They have made more sacrifices than all other Iraqis. Because unlike your average Iraqi from Basra 600 km south from Fallujah or Ramadi let alone Mosul their entire families are not in danger 24/7 all year around.

But once again the main problem is that we are even discussing this. If Iraq had a functional army we would not even talk about this. Why is it the job of locals to defend themselves? In Holland or Denmark nobody expects locals to defend themselves from groups like ISIS if they existed. This would be the job of the NATIONAL army. Now, how can a few tribals, old, middle-aged and some young, that are poorly armed outgun ISIS? Have you forgot that most of the population are children, elders and women? Iraq like most other Arab/ME countries have very young populations. The Iraqi army/Peshmerga complain about being outgun by ISIS because they are better equipped yet some tribals in villages (like that one you posted) are expected to defeat ISIS? This is on the borderlands with Syria. The stronghold of ISIS. It's impossible.

I never said that it is something to be proud of. It is not and I also believe that they are not proud of it but again what can they do? If not they will be killed, their whole families or they will have to flee and loose everything. Who is going to look after them? Nobody.

Obviously some of the locals have also been brainwashed/exposed to ISIS ideology after so many months and some places even years. Moreover some people probably have many fears such as whether they will be targeted by Shia militias, the Iraqi army, Shias etc. There are lot of questions that are understandable. This is the ME and Iraq. People think differently. There is no big trust like in Netherlands.

Amirli was a special case as you say. Those people fought for their lives and there were a lot o them. Nor is that city located as far from the capital/government controlled areas as that area of Al-Anbar or even Mosul. So not fully comparable.

This idea of carpet bombing whole cities (Mosul, Fallujah and Tikrit for instance) will be a suicide tactic that will just create more hatred and make the locals even more determined to fight against the government. Look at Fallujah. It has gained the reputation of being the city of Jihad all over the ME. Because of such actions. The locals are now also prepared for almost everything. Before you could scare them? Now not.

Anyway all this is bound in the political failures of Iraq, the army, the ME and what is going on in Syria. None of this would have happened had Al-Asshead been toppled. Al-Asshead's terror regime enabled the rise of ISIS and while the Syrians were carpet bombed the whole world looked silently. The Arab regimes are to blame tpo and regional powers. In many ways they are incompetent and only looking out for their thrones.

Let me keep it short

It's the people of the same tribe and religion that are responsible for the death of one another, one half decides to feed/house ISIS whilst the other sides with the government. That's why ISIS can't establish itself in Shi'a dominated area's since none will feed/house ISIS as opposed to Sunnis. So it's no excuse, let them take the risk and die in the cause of rejecting ISIS, if they don't no one will rid them of ISIS without a huge number of collateral damage on them.

 

[al-Hasani]

Let me keep it short

It's the people of the same tribe and religion that are responsible for the death of one another, one half decides to feed/house ISIS whilst the other sides with the government. That's why ISIS can't establish itself in Shi'a dominated area's since none will feed/house ISIS as opposed to Sunnis. So it's no excuse, let them take the risk and die in the cause of rejecting ISIS, if they don't no one will rid them of ISIS without a huge number of collateral damage on them.

Mate, were you not saying long ago that most of ISIS are foreigners? Then how come have SOME of the locals now become the main problem? From what I know about then very few families/clans/tribes have this division. Most are either with or against ISIS. A minority being with.
They are already doing most of the work, most of the sacrifices and they are the ones that are fighting against ISIS and have been doing that since 2003 when Al-Qaeda existed. It was not people from Basra or Diwaniya. Also those supporting ISIS would not have supported them had Iraq been a sane state since 2003 with no sectarianism etc. We both know this.

The main point here is that the Iraqi state has failed them. In which sane country are the locals doing such dirty work? Where is the army? Well we saw that.
Your solution of carpet bombing whole towns etc. when only a minority is involved is a recipe for chaos and would be a major crime that people such as Al-Asshead would be proud of. Now what has this tactic proven in Syria other than creating more opposition against the terror regime? You are just destroying your own country, killing your people and alienating them.

I think that you are blaming the wrong people as I explained and have too big expectations for lightly armed people who are stuck in ISIS controlled territory with nobody to help them. No army etc. I would not blame such people.
Once again, you think that the tribes in Southern Iraq (Shias) are any different? They are not. Even worse. Only a few thousands, sometimes hundred, Mahdi terrorists managed to hijack Basra, Najaf etc. and many other Southern Iraqi towns before the Americans and Iraqi army had to interfere and free those towns because the locals were largely silent. It seems to me that you have been exposed to too much anti-Sunni Arab sentiments from your Shia Arab countrymen despite being an Iraqi Sunni Arab yourself. If you want to see a united Iraq you should look at much deeper problems with the state etc. than your solutions. Once again the locals are the ones suffering the most. Like they have been since 2003.

 

[Alienoz_TR]

Baghdad Surburb of Abu Ghraib Falls to ISIS; 228 Killed Across Iraq

by Margaret Griffis, October 04, 2014

Muslims began to celebrate Aid al-Adha, but the fighting continued. At least 228 were killed across Iraq, and another 99 were wounded. Also, the Baghdad suburb of Abu Ghraib apparently is now in the hands of the Islamic State.

ISIS/DAASH militants appear to be in complete control of Abu Ghraib, which is just minutes from Baghdad. Soldiers are said to be unable to leave their bases to go on patrols. This brings the capital within artillery range, particularly the international airport.

Two civilians were killed and six more were wounded as militants took over the Anbar province village of Kubaisa. A witness said the militants arrived among refugees fromHit and killed the soldiers guarding the city at a checkpoint. At least nine soldiers were killed.

In Baiji, a suicide bomber killed 12 civilians and wounded 24 more.

Militants killed four and wounded 14 more in an attack against a security checkpoint in Mansouriya.

Militants in Baquba killed 11 soldiers.

At least three soldiers were killed in an ambush in Muqdadiya.

A bomb targeting a military convoy in Tarmiya killed seven people, including civilians, and wounded 18 more.

In Falluja, shelling left four civilians dead and 11 wounded.

Two soldiers and two tribal fighters were killed in a clash near Hit. At least 22 militants were killed.

Security forces regained Sheikh Amer and Banat al-Hassan in Baghdad province and 30 villages in Diyala. Peshmerga forces also liberated a village in the Jalawla area.

In Diyala province and near Kirkuk, military operations left 59 militants dead and 15 wounded.

Thirty militants were killed in Anbar province. Another 23 were killed in Falluja.

In Qadisiya, 15 militants were killed.

Fifteen militants were killed near Duluiya.

In Mosul, five militants were killed.

Airstrikes killed many militants in Ramadi.

Two militants were killed in Kharbana.

In Garma, security forces killed dozens of militants.

Fierce clashes took place on a road between Falluja and Baghdad.

Baghdad Surburb of Abu Ghraib Falls to ISIS; 228 Killed Across Iraq -- Antiwar.com

 

[Alienoz_TR]

Islamic State fighters in Iraq beat back armed forces in Sunni town - police

Oct 5 (Reuters) - Islamic State fighters in Iraq recaptured about one half of the town of Dhuluiya, one day after it was won by Iraqi forces, and attacked a neighbouring town just 70 km (45 miles) north of Baghdad, police officers and witnesses said on Sunday.

The radical Sunni militants have seized large chunks of territory in Iraq since the beginning of the year, first in western Iraq and after June across the country's north, imposing strict Islamic rule and forcing thousands to flee.

A stalemate exists in the country, with territory regularly switching hands between the Iraqi govermment and Islamic State.

On Saturday, Islamic State stormed a town in Iraq's western Anbar province and seized the town of Kubaisa. In Syria, Islamic State forces shelled the border town of Kobani.

Police said militants launched "well-organised assaults" on Saturday on Dhuluiya and took back control of a large part of the northern half of the town, which lies on the Tigris and is the base for the Sunni Muslim al-Jubouri tribe who are fighting Islamic State.

The attacks forced Iraqi security forces to retreat to the southern part of Dhuluiya. At least two tribal fighters were killed, seven policemen were wounded and four police vehicles were destroyed, a police officer and a witness said.

Islamic State militants also attacked the neighbouring Shi'ite town of Balad late on Saturday. Balad's inhabitants have joined the Jubouri tribe in battling the group - a rare case of a Sunni-Shi'ite alliance against the jihadists.

At least two Shi'ite fighters were killed and five others wounded in Balad when militants driving pickup trucks had a two-hour firefight with military and militia checkpoints late Saturday before retreating, police and medical officials said.

One police officer and witnesses said they believed the attack on Balad was meant to distract Shi'ite volunteer fighters from helping in Dhuluiya.

"We are fighting devils and ghost fighters who retreat one day and return back stronger on the next day," said Abu Ali al-Lami, a Shi'ite militia fighter in Dhuluiya.

Islamic State fighters in Iraq beat back armed forces in Sunni town - police| Reuters

 

[ResurgentIran]

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I am fine mate. Hope you are doing well.

Thanks. Lkewise.
Im doing good, not too shabby. Just a hell of a lot of workload in school. Its way worse than last semester.
I wont present on the forum as much anymore.

 

[Oublious]

you can watch a video wher isis fighters killed peshmerga, the sad part is they are answering phone call of peshmerga.

IS FIGHTERS PICK UP DEAD PESHMERGA PHONE, TELLING THEM "WE HAVE KILLED HIM WE HAVE KILLED HIM"

 

[Alienoz_TR]

Sources claim: IS took over the area between Samarra and Falluja. ISF retreated from the area, leaving the control of Tharthar Lake to IS.

Independent confirmation needed.