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Iraq’s Maliki slams Turkey, claims it can bring civil war to region

You are comparing apples and oranges. Instability in any country brings such problems to neighbors, but that doesn't give us a right to defend a dictator whom massacred thousands of innocent Kurdish and Iraqi civilians. American invasion of Iraq was a terrible terrible thing, but we really don't have to pick a lesser evil do we?

i know i know, it may sound hypocritical by me, but i dont know man... it just that, he supported us with his soldiers. look now, who do we have that support us in our war on terror?

-USA
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no body else than USA helps us.

i dont care about what Saddam did against his own population, that isn't my problem. the fact that he hated pkk was in our favor because then we didn't had to hear all those pesky iraqi "politicians" crying everytime we bomb terror camps.

there werent any KRG when Saddam was there, look now. separatists all over the place wanting a piece of Iraq to form "kurdistan"
 
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i dont care about what Saddam did against his own population, that isn't my problem. the fact that he hated pkk was in our favor because then we didn't had to hear all those pesky iraqi "politicians" crying everytime we bomb terror camps.

there werent any KRG when Saddam was there, look now. separatists all over the place wanting a piece of Iraq to form "kurdistan"
You should care because current Shia-Sunni division in Iraq is because of his policies. If Iraq was a country in which Shia-Sunni lived harmonously rather than living in different regions, instability caused by American invasion would be much easier to defuse.

Iraqi politicians cry whenever we bomb mountains because they are politically weak in domestic political arena, as even today it's quite visible how fragile Iraqi politics is. It's understandable that they want to protect their sovereignty. On the other hand they lack the capacity to eradicate PKK camps from Iraqi territory. So we come in do our job whether they approve us or not.

If we want to dim the reaction as much as we can, we have to make them believe that our only goal is dealing with PKK and not their "internal" affairs. As trade relationship with both countries increase and Turkey's military and economic power grows, then Turkey would have enough influence over Iraqi political apparatus to make Iraqi politicians to understand its in their best interest to cooperate with Turkey. KRG is a great example of how strong trade links can give Turkish policy makers enough room to maneuver. If today KRG relies on Turkey more than the central Baghdad government, thats because their security woes,economical and political future depends on relations with Turkey.
 
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I don't understand one thing: why fight Shias? we got enough Kurdish Greek Armenian Bulgarian U.S.a. Israeli problem. Last time I checked Shias were majority, even Iraqi Turks were Shias.
 
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Iraq summons Turkish envoy as tensions deepen




Turkey seems to have hit a snag with the Iraqi government led by Nouri al-Maliki's Shiite bloc, as the deputy foreign minister on Monday summoned the Turkish envoy to express the government's irritation with Turkey's warnings to Iraq of a possible crisis.
Iraq's deputy foreign minister summoned the Turkish envoy in Baghdad, Yunus Demirer, to call on Turkey to consider the "necessity of avoiding anything that might disturb" Iraq's good relations with Turkey, Reuters reported on Monday. The Iraqi foreign ministry also announced that Demirer assured them of the good intentions of Turkish officials and that he would touch base with Ankara to notify them of Iraq's concerns.

The summons came a few days after Maliki slammed Turkey for allegedly interfering in its domestic issues as if Iraq was run by Turkey, words that cut through the already chilly atmosphere between the Maliki bloc and Turkish officials, who until Monday's incident had refrained from a harsh response.

Maliki's outburst at Turkey over the weekend targeted Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan's comments last week, when he urged the Iraqi government to get the fallout from the US withdrawal under control before an apparent polarization leads the country into crisis. Erdoğan also laid what he described as a “historic responsibility” on the Iraqi government to keep the country together, saying those who would be responsible for a partition in Iraq would go down in history as devils, regardless of their sectarian or ethnic background.

Erdoğan's warnings followed a series of political conflicts in Iraq, which saw an arrest warrant issued for Iraq's most senior Sunni politician, Vice President Tariq al-Hashemi, and a number of similar incidents that tried to push Sunni officials out of office in the coalition government.

The Sunni officials, who feel threatened as their houses get blockaded by tanks for what they call politically motivated accusations, also contacted Turkish officials in hopes of support in averting a sectarian clash in the country.

Hashemi, who is currently hiding out in the semi-autonomous Kurdish region to dodge the arrest warrant, repeated his claim on Monday in an interview with the Anatolia news agency that the law in Baghdad was controlled by certain forces. “I feel indebted to the prime minister for his comments regarding my cause,” Hashemi said, words of gratitude for Erdoğan, who urged* Maliki in a phone call to take steps to reduce the tension and make sure his rivalry with other blocs does not turn into a political vendetta. Turkey has repeated on several occasions that it dismisses sectarian or ethnic differences in its approach to the Middle East, stressing that it seeks a comprehensive approach that would include strong ties with all blocs.

However, after Maliki’s harsh remarks on Erdoğan’s call for solidarity in Iraq, deputy chairperson of the ruling Justice and Development Party (AK Party) Ömer Çelik lashed out at Maliki through Twitter, saying, “Turkey has no problems with Iraq, but Iraq now apparently has a serious Maliki problem.”

“When Maliki dares threaten Turkey through the media, he does not see he is losing his credibility with the Iraqis,” Çelik tweeted on Monday, as he accused the Iraqi prime minister of wanting to turn his country into a “satellite state” based on the rule of one sect. His words clearly carried a message to neighboring countries, specifically Iran, which allegedly seeks a stronger Shiite dominance in Iraq at the expense of peace in the country’s multiethnic and multi-sect structure. “This starts with sending tanks to your own ministers and could even go up to supplying fuel for [Syrian leader Bashar al-] Assad’s tanks,” Çelik said, elaborating on his words that Iraq might be turning into a tool for a Shiite dominance in the region.

Although Turkey remains in close contact with Iranian officials over peace in Iraq, their common and immediate neighbor, it seeks to be a mediator in the Middle East, where Sunni and Shiite blocs represented fiercely by Saudi Arabia and Iran, respectively, vie for more influence.

Regarding Turkey’s mediating role in the region, Hashemi claimed Turkey stood up for peace in Iraq when he told Erdoğan that Maliki was trying to corner him and besiege him with armed vehicle and tanks, and all Iraqi politicians were under the same threat.

Last week, Erdoğan said in a televised speech the prospect of equal representation emerging out of the Maliki government looked dim, given the fact that he was laying siege to the houses of fellow politicians and intimidating their families.

Erdoğan and other Turkish senior officials also remain in touch with US officials regarding Iraq, as news of explosions and attacks targeting Shiite neighborhoods pile on every day, increasing the civilian death toll in the country to hundreds following the US pullout in early December. “The US should have stayed longer, I also expressed this view to their officials,” Erdoğan said at his party’s group meeting in early January, concerned that without the buffer of US troops in the country, separate Iraqi blocs will fall under the influence of other regional actors and face partition in the long run. “Turkey’s security lies at stake in the face of Iraq’s instability, we know that,” Hashemi also said, suggesting that a partition in Iraq would affect the entire region rather than the future of a single country.

2012-01-16

Today’s Zaman *Ankara
 
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I don't understand one thing: why fight Shias? we got enough Kurdish Greek Armenian Bulgarian U.S.a. Israeli problem. Last time I checked Shias were majority, even Iraqi Turks were Shias.
No one is fighting with Shias. When you label the problem on sectarian grounds you will probably miss the whole point. Main argument of the Turkish officials is that Maliki's goal to create a Shia dominant Iraq is a failed strategy from the start as no one, including Kurds and Sunni Arabs, won't accept such a governance. That's why Turkish politicians make remarks on importance of inclusion of different parts of the society in Iraqi parliamentary process.
 
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No one is fighting with Shias. When you label the problem on sectarian grounds you will probably miss the whole point. Main argument of the Turkish officials is that Maliki's goal to create a Shia dominant Iraq is a failed strategy from the start as no one, including Kurds and Sunni Arabs, won't accept such a governance. That's why Turkish politicians make remarks on importance of inclusion of different parts of the society in Iraqi parliamentary process.

Why not? Iraq should be Shia dominated country while Syria should be Sunni dominated country if you desire stable countries at your border. While trying to protect Hanefi Arabs and shafii Kurds, you are risking a conflict with Shias of Iran and Iraq, Syria. I foresee Iraq will become Shia dominated country that pledged allegiance to Iran. In the future we may experience some consequences of this fault.
 
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Why not? Iraq should be Shia dominated country while Syria should be Sunni dominated country if you desire stable countries at your border. While trying to protect Hanefi Arabs and shafii Kurds, you are risking a conflict with Shias of Iran and Iraq, Syria. I foresee Iraq will become Shia dominated country that pledged allegiance to Iran. In the future we may experience some consequences of this fault.
It's not about Iraq's sectarian division or which side have a majority that I'm arguing about. Rather, my argument is if one actor decides to dominate others, it must be expected that other actors will resist to such a decision and we shouldn't be surprised to see more instability and conflict in Iraq if Turkey or others do not push more political pressure on Baghdad government. No such good outcome can come from such policies when majority becomes a tyrant.
 
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Why not? Iraq should be Shia dominated country while Syria should be Sunni dominated country if you desire stable countries at your border. While trying to protect Hanefi Arabs and shafii Kurds, you are risking a conflict with Shias of Iran and Iraq, Syria. I foresee Iraq will become Shia dominated country that pledged allegiance to Iran. In the future we may experience some consequences of this fault.

Brother we all are Muslims, no Matter if we are Turks, Kurds or Arabs. We should Show unity, otherwise the Benefit will gain imperialist Powers !
 
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Brother we all are Muslims, no Matter if we are Turks, Kurds or Arabs. We should Show unity, otherwise the Benefit will gain imperialist Powers !

I agree. I am Hanafi born Ali (r.a.) loving Muslim. I criticize current politics.
 
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hi how i wanted to ask a question not related but you know on ceremonies and other stuff why dont we have anything gotto do with our ancestors like a man wearing jannisary clothes and spahi or ottoman things ?? i no bad times at the end of the ottoman period with the sultan but i think we should when other presidents visit i feel like we have no history i cnt explain
 
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hi how i wanted to ask a question not related but you know on ceremonies and other stuff why dont we have anything gotto do with our ancestors like a man wearing jannisary clothes and spahi or ottoman things ?? i no bad times at the end of the ottoman period with the sultan but i think we should when other presidents visit i feel like we have no history i cnt explain

I understand you, i only see ottoman-mehtaran at military parades etc..
 
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yh but thats rare i see i see other countries like french wearing their uniform of their empire times just like british etc also how do i start a thread cant i?

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redbeard turkiyede nerde yasiyon? bukadar iyi ingilizceyi turkiyedemi ogrendin?
 
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yh but thats rare i see i see other countries like french wearing their uniform of their empire times just like british etc also how do i start a thread cant i?

---------- Post added at 08:33 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:33 PM ----------

redbeard turkiyede nerde yasiyon? bukadar iyi ingilizceyi turkiyedemi ogrendin?

Kayseride yasiyorum Ingilizceyi ozel okulda ogrenmistim dostum.
 
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