Iran's Hormoz-2, worlds first anti-radiation ballistic missile

[Itachi]

@Śakra Iran won't (or maybe can't) launch N-tipped missiles right in it's backyard (the Arabian Sea or the Gulf of Hormuz).

1) The radiation will kill all the marine life and make hell for all the fishermen of the whole region.
2) Other than marine life, radiation can spill into the Iranian mainland.
3) The Gulf states and cities like Dubai are not far away so they will be effected, leading to bigger people/nations joining the fray against Iran.

Some of the many reasons why Iran won't fire a N-tipped BM on vessels or in general. Iran won't fire one into KSA due to it not being technologically advanced enough (can someone counter this?) or the above reasons.

Second, no country, even the US is going to send out their N-tipped missiles just because Iran is sending BM's their way;
1) Because they can't put Nukes on missiles yet....(so they know the BM's are not N-tipped)
2) Because commanders will get hell if they are not N-tipped (again #1, if they don't get nukes on missiles in the future)
3) Everyone is going to make sure to let one at least hits water or a vessel (or explodes like a nuke when intercepted) to test out #2 if they are N-tipped then yes, they will fire back but believe me, no one's stupid enough to fire N-tipped missiles just cuz BM's are on the radar. BM's can also be used conventionally.

 

[Penguin]

Thanks for confirming it for godman, that Western weapons are vulnerable, and get destroyed left and right with Iranian supplied missiles.

Clearly, only an idiot believes Western (or Eastern, or of any other segment of the compas) weapons are invulnerable: it shows a lack of knowledge. Of course, this does not imply Iranian supplied missiles are somehow automatically superior. So, when you're finished being obnoxious, I'ld like to get on to real discussion.

 

[Itachi]

we might need these type of missiles against indian abm radars sir please respond

Check out post #31 & #33. I mentioned something that Pakistan can definitely look into.

@SOHEIL Any news on the Bavar 373?

Your link of the Times of Israel also mentioned the official being quoting saying that the domestic Bavar 373 will better than the S-300. So I wish to know what has been publicly revealed (if there are threads already on it, please link them).

 

[Star Expedition]

So what's the USA 's answer for this?

 

[Penguin]

Error is less than 10 meter, CEP is 2 meter:

The 100m referred to Fajr-110, not Hormoz-2 (but thanks for your post)
See also https://books.google.nl/books?id=nB...CkQQ6AEIQjAE#v=onepage&q=fajr-110 cep&f=false

"Fadjr-5 rocket has a maximum range of 75 km with a claimed CEP (circular error of probability) of 4% of range"
http://www.armyrecognition.com/iran...stem_technical_data_sheet_specifications.html
That's 3m.

 

[Akasa]

Not quite the world's first anti-radiation ballistic missile:

Anti-radiation Ballistic Missile: Ballistic missiles, with their long range and strong penetration, are considered an important part of a country’s defense. This year’s show featured the B-611MR system made by China Aerospace Science & Industry Corporation. Unlike traditional ballistic missiles, the B-611MR has a passive radar system to intercept electromagnetic signals and guide the missile to its target, which is a standard configuration of anti-radiation missiles. This makes the B-611MR the world’s first anti-radiation ballistic missile.

 

[Penguin]

And the Khalij Fars/Hormuz missile goes at over Mach 3.

Works both ways: it doesn't leave much time for steering the missile/warhead.

I don't care if its a guided dildo to be perfectly honest, the facts are that it has a 300 km range, flies at over Mach 3 and has a 650 kg warhead.

As you yourself in dicated, there is a difference between a true ballistic missile and and artillery rocket.
So, it's like the IMI Predator Hawk.
http://www.imisystems.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/PREDATOR-HAWK.pdf

Is it a quasi ballistic missile?

Yeah.
A quasi ballistic missile (also called a semi ballistic missile) including anti-ship ballistic missiles is a category of missile that has a low trajectory and/or is largely ballistic but can perform maneuvers in flight or make unexpected changes in direction and range. At a lower trajectory than a ballistic missile, a quasi ballistic missile can maintain higher speed, thus allowing its target less time to react to the attack, at the cost of reduced range. The Russian Iskander is a quasi ballistic missile

This hair pin turn is impressive to say the least

It is, isn't it? Noticed the turn rate also of the carrier (that's 100,000 tons turning at 30kn)

 

[AmirPatriot]

Not quite the world's first anti-radiation ballistic missile:

Well the Hormuz 2 was actually first unveiled in May 2014, and the B611MR in November 2014. So the Hormuz was still first

Works both ways: it doesn't leave much time for steering the missile/warhead.

So it remains to be seen, which has an advantage. The missile moving at Mach 5 (mohsen gave the video where the official said this was the top speed), or the ship moving at 30 knots trying to dodge the missile.

 

[Akasa]

Well the Hormuz 2 was actually first unveiled in May 2014, and the B611MR in November 2014. So the Hormuz was still first

That's correct; I retract my previous statement. As I understand, the Hormuz-1 is an anti-radiation variant whereby the Hormuz-2 is an AShBM variant of the Fateh-110 (which also comes with the parallel Khalije-Fars missile).

 

[Penguin]

Well the Hormuz 2 was actually first unveiled in May 2014, and the B611MR in November 2014. So the Hormuz was still first


So it remains to be seen, which has an advantage. The missile moving at Mach 5 (mohsen gave the video where the official said this was the top speed), or the ship moving at 30 knots trying to dodge the missile.

Assuming you have precise enough information to get the missile close enough to the carrier/ship in the first place so that its IR seeker can actually acquire it.....

 

[AmirPatriot]

Assuming you have precise enough information to get the missile close enough to the carrier/ship in the first place

The Ghadir and Sepehr OTH radars can provide this.

IR seeker

Or Electro-Optical, or Anti-Radiation (radar)...

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

So it remains to be seen, which has an advantage. The missile moving at Mach 5 (mohsen gave the video where the official said this was the top speed), or the ship moving at 30 knots trying to dodge the missile.

The greatest advantage of the ballistic missile is the cost, these short-to-medium range ballistic missiles can be mass produced very cheaply, more cheaply than cruise missiles for instance. While carrying a much larger warhead, and having a vastly higher terminal speed.

Whereas the loss of even a single warship is incredibly expensive.

The deterrence value is very good for these kinds of platforms.

 

[Penguin]

Or Electro-Optical, or Anti-Radiation (radar)...

IR seeker = Electro-optical
There is no radiation if your target is not emitting (sailing under EMCON)

 

[Itachi]

Assuming you have precise enough information to get the missile close enough to the carrier/ship in the first place so that its IR seeker can actually acquire it.....

At the farthest, the Arabian peninsula is ~500 km from Iranian coast (number is lesser than 500 km) and at the least, the coast of the Arabian peninsula is <40 km from Iranian coast (or an island in the Hormuz strait). So any ships (or a carrier for discussions sake) will be tracked in & out of the Gulf. Later, it's just a matter of time when a UAV, an aircraft or a sub catches the signature of the aircraft carrier while staying within International or Iranian waters.

Simply said, there's not that much room for any vessel to hide nearby Iranian coastline.

 

[AmirPatriot]

The greatest advantage of the ballistic missile is the cost, these short-to-medium range ballistic missiles can be mass produced very cheaply, more cheaply than cruise missiles for instance. While carrying a much larger warhead, and having a vastly higher terminal speed.

Whereas the loss of even a single warship is incredibly expensive.

The deterrence value is very good for these kinds of platforms.

Exactly. For Iran, the Fateh and Hormuz series of missiles are widely believed to be developed from the long range Zelzal-2 Artillery rocket. They are incredibly cheap to make.

For the scarier area denial weapons though, cost isn't so big a factor China with its 1500 km DF-21D, and Iran is reportedly developing an ASBM from the 2500 km Sejjil 2... a Mach 13 missile

IR seeker = Electro-optical
There is no radiation if your target is not emitting (sailing under EMCON)

But nuclear reactors are