Iran's Air Force Overshadowed by the IRGC

[TheImmortal]

Idlibs collape while headline making and sudden was not the knockout blow anyone made it out to be. IDlib wa always one of the most conservative and anti-regime cities there were. Idlib was virtually completely surrounded in the countryside and the government was extremely busy elsewhere and had a token force defending idlib.

its collapse while morally devastating was expected and not a knockout blow.

you really need to look back at 2011/2012 to see the dire situation of the regime. the Syrian government wAS bleeding territory on a dialy basis, its collapse seemed inevitable, its army was crumbling and demoralized and you had terrorists literally on the doorsteps of Damascus breathing down assads neck...

That was the time assad really had the dagger to his neck and virtually everyone on earth (except iran) was predictinb a gaddafi like fate for assad.

Lastly I want to address the insult you made to ouor NOHED warriors. War is serious business my friend. Hollywood movies has made special forces soldiers seem like invincible beings. but they are flesh and bone like everyone else. while skilled, they are not invincible. and if put into a situation where your flanked, and have no support, you are dead. period.

heres a video demonstrating this vividly. uber American special forces are lambs for slaughter to a bunch of illiterate African gunmen with sandals. simply because they have no airsupport, no cover, no retreat path, and getting flanked/overrun by a numeracilaly superior enemy

Hollywood wont make movies about this

the only time iranian combat troops were confirmed to be engaged on a serious level were the liberations of nubl zahra. probably the biggest battle (before aleppo) where not only were nubl and zahra liberated after years of failed atttempts, but the tables were turned and the terrorists were cut into 2.


have some respect for fallen iranian soldiers. you have no idea the circumstances of their demise.

Again you are mislead.

Idlib loss was traumatic much in fact due to leaving many soldiers stranded at the Hospital defending wave after wave of fighters.

Outside of Idlib is the Idlib plains, a major flat land where famous back and forth battles like Morek took place. Since the plains are flat and terrorists had TOWS it rendered SAA counterattacks useless as terrorists could pick off and bleed the forces.

Thus I clearly remember after Idlib loss, most battles were being won by terrorists and I remember thinking that the tide has swung back against the SAA after a successful 2012/2013 of stablizing the frontlines.

What you fail to account for is ISIS steamrolling in Iraq caused Iraqi militias to have to withdraw from Syria to defend Iraq. This caused a major shortage of CAPABLE manpower at the WORST possible time as SAA/NDF could not be relied on to reliably spearhead offenses without Iranian allied forces. Those forces got smaller after Iraqi militia redeployed to Iraq. The fact was Iraqi militia, HZ, IRGC, and elite SAA were the only ones that could break terrorists frontlines.

If Russia did not interfere the SAA would have been strained to point of collapse and would have to withdraw from South Syria completely to hold core Alawite terroritory.

Lastly your 2011/2012 picture of events is mostly correct in that IRGC prevented the collapse. Hezbollah cleared west Damascus mountains to prevent cauldron attack as well as infilitration of Lebanon (which was feared as next target).

However, make no mistake while Assad was kept in power after 2012. Jobar and east Damascus were firmly in terrorist hands. Terrorist leaders were traveling from Damascus to a turkey for propaganda events! Again while IRGC and HZ stabilized the capital, the war still raged on.

It was again Russia that turned the tide with the assasination of FSA leader Alloush in airstrike in eastern Damascus.

The NOHED comment is not an insult, but a critical look at lack of operational capability. First of all comparing your video of a Special forces ambush by guirella forces to NOHED offensive takeover of a town at the frontlines IN MIDDLE OF MAJOR WAR is comparing apples to oranges.

NOHED only entered the war as bravado because the commanders were tired of IRGC stealing the glory. There was literally NO NEED for NOHED to enter other than for them to say they entered the war for sake of entering. Nobody asked NOHED to come in.

Lastly Who enters a major frontline town with ZERO artillery and ZERO drone coverage? That is major mistake that should have resulted in court martial of commanding officers!! IRGC had major drones in the air during the war. All you needed was 2 or 3 Shahed-129 drones to hover as NOHED moved in to provide critical intelligence and they would have picked up forces surrounding the city and prepared NOHED for withdrawal.

Lastly 3 drones x 2 missiles each = 6 missiles. This would have allowed them to do considerable damage/confusion to the massing forces of enemy and allowed NOHED to retreat with SAA/Russia air support coming in to clean up.

You know why that DIDNT happen? Because again IRGC and NOHED are not integrated and are somewhat rivals. So NOHED/Artesh had zero armed drones to back them up personally as all drones were operated by IRGC.

Again it’s a shame young men had to die due to ineptitude of NOHED commanders. Battle of Aleppo was some of the fiercest as IRGC was battling battle hardened jihadis from Chechenya, Bosnia, Russia, etc. and some were just as well equipped as special forces. NOHED thought they were going in fighting your average jihadi. That lack of preparation and understanding the field of war became costly and resulted in innocent lives dieing. Again a damn shame.

And your comment that Iranian forces were not involved in MANY battles is BULLSH11T.

Iran lost over 2000 soldiers in the war, where the hell do you think they died! From paper cuts at the office?

IRGC operates at frontline PERIOD! That’s what they are famous for! IRGC Generals were dieing at frontlines through out the war. I don’t know what war you were following. Again publically Iran was sticking to the message of being in “advisor role” as a geopolitical maneuvering ploy against the West/Arabs who were claiming Iran had invaded.

Nonetheless, IRGC officers were commanding militia, NDF, and SAA. Volunteer IRGC were moving with Syrian allied forces throughout the war. After ISIS started steamrolling through Iraq, IRGC had to take on an even more direct role as the Iraqi militias had to withdraw back to Iraq to defend their homeland. Thus the shortage of capable manpower forced IRGC to get further involved.

Spoils of war you can now see clearly as IRGC is near Israeli border and has major power throughout Syria. It is because of the blood they sacrificed and not because they sat far away from frontlines in safety.

 

[VEVAK]

Why Does Iran Have Two Parallel Armies??????

Probably to prevent a Military Coup since Iran has experience of that during our last democratically elected government during Mossadegh where the British and Americans decided to pay a few Generals to start a coup.

Especially with the U.S. constantly attempting to overthrow Iran's government over the past 4 decades it makes perfect sense.

Plus each branch has it's own responsibilities like the IRGC Navy is equipped with smaller vessels for coastal Defense while Iran's regular Navy is equipped with larger ships.... IRGC Aerospace forces operate most of the Ballistic Missiles while Iran's Air Force operates most of the fighter jets.... Iran's Army Aviation operates most of the Helo's while the IRGC operates most of the UAV's and UCAV's

 

[sparten]

Why Does Iran Have Two Parallel Armies??????

They don't trust the military.

 

[SOHEIL]

They don't trust the military.

Wrong !