Iran's Air Force Overshadowed by the IRGC

[skyshadow]

Why Does Iran Have Two Parallel Armies??????

when we were at war with Iraq Army was extremely weak and they could not deal with all the stages of the war with Iraq, especially in the ground forces and missile force so Ibn Allah Khomeini gave fatwa that every healthy men and women should go and help the Army so ppl formed IRGC. IRGC did not had its name from the start, so IRGC stayed after the war too and got alot bigger and more powerful.

back then IRGC was like this.

but now IRGC has its own air force and ground force and navy and missile force and cyber force and Intelligence force and anti_Intelligence force and its own military universities and military bases inside and outside Iran soil and its own construction and military companies and ....

 

[aryobarzan]

Do they even have an airforce? Weak AF can leave a nation at the mercy of adversaries.

Air defence has got limitations and even the best of best can be made to look like a complete junk against high tech weaponry. A fact amply demonstrated during Pakistan air force surgical strikes in India where their top of line Isreali air defence systems were made redundant and PAF hit it's intended targets using standoff weaponry.

Those ancient tomcats and Mig29s are a disaster waiting to happen if Iran goes into a conflict today.

Not to undermine the pakistani great performance against Indian air defense. But I think it also had a lot to do with Indians being duped by the Israeli Propaganda about their military junk (Iron Dome performance against fire crackers of Gaza in the last two incidents or the Merkova tanks in Lebanon are other good example of Israeli Junk being pushed to these countries so that they can have good relationship with Americans..!)

 

[zectech]

in the area of anti-ship missiles Iran is in good shape with its 150_200_280_ 330 km anti-ship cruse missiles and its anti-ship ballistic missiles up to 1000 km but i agree with you on the fighter jets we must buy some 4.5 gen and 5 gen from Europe or Russia or China.

Any attack will come from the sea. ((They)) can sit in the Mediterranean (or Arabian Sea hitting the south) and fire cruise missiles at 1700 km range, hitting Tehran. Having naval bombers could strike the ships. Just have to violate Iraqi airspace for a few hundred km ( under Iranian ADS cover) and fire 100 ASBM and return home. Large Naval bombers, the size of Mig31s are the key next step in Iranian air force development (besides an update f-14). That is until Iran has surface to ship ASBM with ranges of 2000 km.

They would cost 30 million to make and order 100. Twin engine, two seats.

For firing ASM with ranges 330 km, you need to enter Syrian air space. By that time, you will have F-35s all over the the Syrian skies. So it needs to be large enough to fire BM over Iraq.

For now Assad has ADS to repel an attack. Hypersonic CM will fly past that.

Iran requires the equipment to push the navies out of range of firing CM on Iran. And subs to seek and destroy any sub threat. Or get nukes to prevent a war, but when hypersonic cruise missiles come on line, unless they can develop a bomb in weeks, it will be too late. The hope is the clown in the white house is not a warmonger.

Could be from the office of double agents.

 

[Mithridates]

Those ancient tomcats and Mig29s are a disaster waiting to happen if Iran goes into a conflict today.

i am really allergic to this kind of words. can you please enlighten me why f-14 and mig-29s are disaster??

 

[Hack-Hook]

Ibn Allah Khomeini

honetly , God , don't have any child or Wife or brother or sister or mother or father or ,..... so please don't include Greece mythology here .

back then IRGC was like this.

Don't you think that's Basij and committee (later they become parts of police force)

 

[skyshadow]

honetly , God , don't have any child or Wife or brother or sister or mother or father or ,..... so please don't include Greece mythology here .Don't you think that's Basij and committee (later they become parts of police force)

aiyat al allah it means a sign form god, and not any kind of relationship with him. im muslim, and this means that i believe only in one God just like you.


at first we did not have police and it was just committee and Shahr bani and gendarmerie letter in 1990_1991 (1370) by order of parliament to create police force they all came togather and they formed neroy entezami or Islamic Republic of Iran Police Force.

Basij they did help police forces for some time at first but no they have there own commanders and ranking and they receive there own budget from the government and they have no power to interfere in police duties unless ordered directly by the police to help them carry out their duties. so no Basij, they are there own organization.

 

[Hack-Hook]

aiyat al allah it means a sign form god, and not any kind of relationship with him. im muslim, and this means that i believe only in one God just like you.

you see what you wrote Ibn-Allah not Ayat-Allah the meaning is completely different . one have no place in Mr. Khomeini ideology , the other is a title that show how one person is studied and proficient in the Islamic fiqh

 

[skyshadow]

you see what you wrote Ibn-Allah not Ayat-Allah the meaning is completely different . one have no place in Mr. Khomeini ideology , the other is a title that show how one person is studied and proficient in the Islamic fiqh

sorry my bad i meant Ayat-Allah.

 

[zartosht]

one thing to point out about the Russian air force. The biggest and most effective system on them was the Russian national flag painted on the tails.....

that's the only thing that made them untouchable, and the potent force they were. if any other country (iran included) had sent an airforce 10x time more powerful to Syria. I doubt it be as effective as the americans and Zionist would do everything they can to ship anti-air systems to terrorists and even be tempted to engage knowing Iran is far away from its home and cannot bring enough force to bear in that region.

nobody wants to get into an escalatory conflict with a nuclear superpower.

I have come to the firm conclusion that Iran needs nuclear weaponry. enough to wipe out the entire middle east/Europe and have a long range nukes aimed at the US homeland. that's the only way to permanently end this American/Zionist obsession about enslaving Iran once more

force seems to be the only language they understand.

 

[TheImmortal]

one thing to point out about the Russian air force. The biggest and most effective system on them was the Russian national flag painted on the tails.....

that's the only thing that made them untouchable, and the potent force they were. if any other country (iran included) had sent an airforce 10x time more powerful to Syria. I doubt it be as effective as the americans and Zionist would do everything they can to ship anti-air systems to terrorists and even be tempted to engage knowing Iran is far away from its home and cannot bring enough force to bear in that region.

nobody wants to get into an escalatory conflict with a nuclear superpower.

I have come to the firm conclusion that Iran needs nuclear weaponry. enough to wipe out the entire middle east/Europe and have a long range nukes aimed at the US homeland. that's the only way to permanently end this American/Zionist obsession about enslaving Iran once more

force seems to be the only language they understand.

Lol US would ship anti air systems to a bunch of takfiri baboons? That is beyond absurd as the training required and support systems required makes it implausible notion.

The only thing US could do is give Manpads, which are useful against helicopters and old low flying jets. Name me a manpad that can realiably shoot down a SU-35 when it’s using stand off weapons from range.

The fact is I followed the Syrian civil war and up to 2014 parts of IRGC leadership (including ones that died in Syria) thought the war was unwinnable and that Iran should negotiate a solution with the West.

The fact that Soleimani had to ask Putin to enter the war at that time the heart of Alawite territory (Latakia) was potentially the next invasion point for terrorists. That ask was a slap in the face of IRGC who believed Air power was useless in modern day war.

Well they got a major wake up call and after the success of Russian airforce, IRGC announced plans for a CAS plane.

Make no mistake about it, if Iran doesn’t rebuild its airforce it will be a mistake that will haunt it for decades to come.

Every military power no matter how successful has made boneheaded mistakes and the IRGC is no exception to this rule.

 

[Mithridates]

Iran's present air force could be used only against primitive enemy like the jihadists. But against US or Israel or even Saudi Arabis, it will become extremely difficult to use the air force.

For example, Syria also has some advanced fighter jets, but Syria is unable to use any of them against Israel, while they will prove only to be flying ducks against Israel.

we have fencers, tomcats, phantoms and fulcrums. our f-14 are great interceptors/air superiority planes, su-24 referred as surgeons in our air force, mig-29 is a super maneuverable point defence plane and f-4s are best means for bomb the shit out of enemy, especially with new cruise missiles and smart bombs. also i didn't mention f5/kowsar that are pretty dangerous in dogfights for any plane. iran's air force compared to US is weak but in region its hardly a weak force.

 

[zectech]

we have fencers, tomcats, phantoms and fulcrums. our f-14 are great interceptors/air superiority planes, su-24 referred as surgeons in our air force, mig-29 is a super maneuverable point defence plane and f-4s are best means for bomb the shit out of enemy, especially with new cruise missiles and smart bombs. also i didn't mention f5/kowsar that are pretty dangerous in dogfights for any plane. iran's air force compared to US is weak but in region its hardly a weak force.

Can the F-4s/F-5s carry any anti-ship missiles? Or just cruise missiles and smart bombs?

 

[Mithridates]

Can the F-4s/F-5s carry any anti-ship missiles? Or just cruise missiles and smart bombs?

f-4s can carry nasr family of anti ship cruise missiles with 200-300 km. f-5 has the ability to carry smaller kowsar missiles.

this is iranian upgraded f-4 with iranian munitions.

bayyenat fire control radar.

 

[zectech]

f-4s can carry nasr family of anti ship cruise missiles with 200-300 km. f-5 has the ability to carry smaller kowsar missiles.

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this is iranian upgraded f-4 with iranian munitions.
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bayyenat fire control radar.

So Iran already has over 50 naval bombers in the SU-24s and F-4s, and 25 F-5s (medium target range naval bombers).

IMO, they may not have enough to face a carrier strike force in their Migs and F-14s. 2020 is important to purchase large amounts of 4.5 and 5th gen fighters.

 

[Mithridates]

So Iran already has over 50 naval bombers in the SU-24s and F-4s, and 25 F-5s (medium target range naval bombers).

IMO, they may not have enough to face a carrier strike force in their Migs and F-14s. 2020 is important to purchase large amounts of 4.5 and 5th gen fighters.

iranian air force role nowadays is merely air defence and strike. we didn't invested on ballistic missiles so the air force have to handle US invasion.