Bahram Esfandiari
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The big question here is how resistant are these UCAVs against U.S/Israeli EW?
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well they try that when saeghe went to Israel air space,The big question here is how resistant are these UCAVs against U.S/Israeli EW?
Do you really think these are cheap kamikaze UAVs?Yes but if it is necessary these cheap UCAVs can stay there in Israel as a kamikazi too!! Still the same effect
I dont think they are expensive... is it?Do you really think these are cheap kamikaze UAVs?
they are jet powered drones with radar absorbing coating. avenger drone with similar capabilities costs 12-15 million$.I dont think they are expensive... is it?
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Cheaper than the Western drones but not cheap in quality or performance , Most of these drones are combat-proven .I dont think they are expensive... is it?
avenger drone is different category to small saeqeh drone... 6m wingspan vs 20m... turbofan engine, real stealth... saeqeh probably doesn't cost even 5% of avenger dronethey are jet powered drones with radar absorbing coating. avenger drone with similar capabilities costs 12-15 million$.
your right i didn't noticed the difference in jet engine and other stuff. s-191 would be really cheap but not that cheap to use it as a kamikaze droneavenger drone is different category to small saeqeh drone... 6m wingspan vs 20m... turbofan engine, real stealth... saeqeh probably doesn't cost even 5% of avenger drone
Think of this.. You want to have a swarm attack in Israel...some of these UCAVs atleast the stealth ones MIGHT not have the range to come back... It is a whole scale war... Its easy for Iran to build and replace these UCAVs... If there is no option to fly them from Iraq or Syria...or to land somewhere close to the target, refuel and then come back...then if it was up to me I would use them to bomb targets and then another warhead on the plane itself for last Kamikaze attack... I don't think any of these Saeghes except for the RQ-170 copy cost anything more than one 2000 km BM... right? so if a missile is disposable and we can replace it...why not UCAVs!?your right i didn't noticed the difference in jet engine and other stuff. s-191 would be really cheap but not that cheap to use it as a kamikaze drone
@VEVAK
Sure a local ground based link-up to drones that arrive there on autopilot is also a way to do real-time targeting.
It would be effective in a Israel scenario. But there may be situations where no such ground station or special forces deployed up-link is possible. Here the drone based data-link represents a more flexible approach.
Note that a map of Israel is behind the command center displays during Gen. Salamis statement
@Hack-Hook
Agreed. Current optics don't appear good enough for stand-off targeting. They may be high-altitude capable.
Hence subtract that extra 10km of the range calculation and add an penalty to the survivability due to the lack of stand-off targeting. However this is not a problem that can't be solved. Not only with more potent optics but with a SAR/GMTI payload for the UAV.
In fact such stand-off targeting most likely is the task of the main S-171. Here it would not just be high altitude and 10km distance, but something like 50km. That 50km distance to the target would then increase the survivability of the non-expandable targeting asset significantly.
Another note on the video: Note the prop-Saeghe with 4 Sadid PGMs capability instead the two internal of the S-191. The propeller propulsion of it allows for a heavier payload. Of course range would be reduced compared to the variants with just two for long range attacks.
In total, this is the first field in which Iran is pioneering the way on world scale. Innovations are made for the first time...
Look at the Israeli innovation with the Hermes that was the starting point for all of this. But now Iran is doing the innovation.
I can' stress enough how important a non-runway based airpower concept is.
The truck launch and (emergency)parachute return concept is a key development of immense importance. If it evolves to S-191-like platforms, it will create immense headache for any enemy.
Hajizadeh is fully right, this is Irans new revolutionary capability, adding up to the missile power. Capabilities that can't be neutralized by even using nuclear weapons.
bro it's range is 1300km it is able to do the job and come back home. karrar drone with one mk-82 bomb has a combat radius of 500km. s-191 with 8 meters wingspan and flying wing configuration has more room for fuel and has two munitions which weight almost 50 kg overall. with s-191 we can penetrate enemy airspace and take down enemy positions deep inside their borders just take a look at these:Think of this.. You want to have a swarm attack in Israel...some of these UCAVs atleast the stealth ones MIGHT not have the range to come back... It is a whole scale war... Its easy for Iran to build and replace these UCAVs... If there is no option to fly them from Iraq or Syria...or to land somewhere close to the target, refuel and then come back...then if it was up to me I would use them to bomb targets and then another warhead on the plane itself for last Kamikaze attack... I don't think any of these Saeghes except for the RQ-170 copy cost anything more than one 2000 km BM... right? so if a missile is disposable and we can replace it...why not UCAVs!?
Imagine...
500+ UCAVs sent to bomb... each has two bombs... lets say the take down %80 of all UCAVs which is a hard task to achieve... the remaining 100 strategic sites would be hit... guess what happens in a small country like Israel... Just imagine some of them are falling on nuclear sites...
Full documentary:it was aliens bro !!!
if they flew 1200 km to get to target that mean they have to fly back 1200 km to land which make it 2400 km range UCAV before that IRGC said saeghe has range of 1000 km.
"small country like Iran". I know these Americans are not known for the intelligence and/or geography skills but godamn that comment made me lol.