Even if Google Earth HAD 6 month military base photos that is all Iran needs, because we all know how “mobile” military bases are. One minute they are there and the next minute they are an empty parking lot. /sarcasm
we don't need satellite imagery for bases , we need it to evaluate deployment and movement of forces and see what is there . you can't get that from google earth
If Iran’s public sector is capable of producing 5m-10m resolution then Iran’s military sector is capable of <1 meter resolution. The military sector of state is typically decades ahead of the public sector in Sensitive technologies. Just go look at decommissioned US spy sats from the 80’s and their capability versus public commercial reconnaissance sats launched today. It will suprise you.
there is no Iran Public sector or military sectors here , all is produced by Isfahan Optic Industry and Iran Electronics Industries which produce these equipment for both sectors and both are government owned but you can go there and tell them about your project and they produce equipment you need.
Even Hezbollah gathered actionable intelligence and warned Israel to move a commercial ammonia storage facility in Haifa as it is an easy target that could cause countless casualties. Israel quickly emptied it.
For the targets that Iran’s military establishment cares about a spy satellite is not a necessity. IRGC could have sent up small spy sats in last 10 years if it desired. Like I said plenty of ways for even paramilitary sources to get their hands on actionable intelligence on targets without spy satellites. Iranian officials have said this in the past as well.
small spy sat won't cut it , a useful small spy sat at least weight north of 100kg and till Simorgh become completely reliable no country will sent it up for us , both west and east refused to send a small telecommunication satellite for us.
I mean right in this forum in the navy section there are pictures of Iran’s shipbuilding yards this was unheard of decades ago. Just look at Syrian and Ukraine civil war conflict and what twitter users were able to get through open sources. In public space ordinary public sector researchers get their hands on pictures of highly sensitive iranian military sites like Sharud.
in Syria they get information from feet on the ground and show me some up to date information of Israeli or USA forces , the sats are western ones and nobody can complain to them for publishing Iranian military sites imagery but they don't dare to do that with some other countries we may be interested in.
Yes,however the israelis have access to the very best western technology virtually for free,so I think it is a little unrealistic to expect to match them right off the starting line.However a satellite,or more preferably a constellation of small imaging sats with a resolution in the single digits of meters with a lifespan measured in months would be good enough to start with.
The same approach of a small constellation of leo satellites can also be used for military comsats as well.
Control of what ? that's an earth observation satellite only suitable for observing climate change and deforestation and deserts and such . only two group can have control of it , the ones who built it and the one who own it , I don't see how the people who launched it can have any control over it after they put it in the orbit.
and I always said that both west and east refused to launch our satellites .
Iran’s testing cycleseemed to reinforce this shift in focus from the liquid fuel behemoths of years past to a different kind of missile program that is more regionally focused and of an entirely different fuel type all together.
Iran’s testing cycleseemed to reinforce this shift in focus from the liquid fuel behemoths of years past to a different kind of missile program that is more regionally focused and of an entirely different fuel type all together.
Basically repeating a well known premise, a more advanced a country becomes in BMs they transfer from liquid to solid fuel. Natural evolution.
NK’s ICBMs are all liquid based, Iran won’t follow such a path. A liquid mobile ICBM is an oxymoron as the support staff required to get the ICBM ready makes it easy to spot preparations compared to solid fuel ICBM.
A liquid fuel ICBM belongs in nuclear proof silos.
If Iran determines ICBM is necessary it will likely want an solid fuel one to be road mobile in order to have legitimate second strike capability.
In the case of Iran, it makes sense to focus on MRBM using large solid fuel engines that can incorporate MIRVs/MRVs.
Imagine an Iranian ballistic missile that has range of 2,500KM but can deliver 3-5 Iranian hypersonic glide vehicles (conventional or nuclear).
A missile that can carry (3) 1,000KG hypersonic warheads or (5) hyperosnic 600-700kg warheads.
1 Missile would be the equivalent of up to 4 Emads, with a near 100% success rating of striking targets (due to Mach 20+ speed).
That should be the future of Iranian Missile direction.
The “technical problem” that led to the failure “is clear for us,” Hatami was quoted by the official Mehr news agency as saying on Wednesday, outside a cabinet meeting in Tehran.
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Claim for North Korea
Recently, North Korean official media have published an article relating the exploits of the legendary eighth-century great traveler, the Buddhist monk Hyecho from the Silla Kingdom of Korea.
The first ever Korean to have travel from Korea to Persia.
Hyecho and the «Memoir of the pilgrimage to the five kingdoms of India»
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Hyecho (704–787), 慧超, Sanskrit: Prajñāvikrama; pinyin: Hui Chao, was a Buddhist monk from Silla, one of the Three Kingdoms of Korea.
Hyecho studied esoteric Buddhism in Tang China, initially under Śubhakarasiṃha and then under the famous Indian monk Vajrabodhi who praised Hyecho as "one of six living persons who were well-trained in the five sections of the Buddhist canon."
On the advice of his Indian teachers in China, he set out for India in 723 to acquaint himself with the language and culture of the land of the Buddha.
During his journey to India, Hyecho wrote a travelogue in Chinese named Wang ocheonchukguk jeon (hanja: 往五天竺國傳) which means, "Memoir of the pilgrimage to the five kingdoms of India."
It is the first known overseas travelogue written in Chinese by a Korean and contains information about the political, cultural and economic customs of India and central Asia at that time. The five Indian kingdoms in the work's title refer to West, East, North, South and Central India. This scroll is estimated as the first East Asian travelogue to the Islamic world.
He went to the coastal countries and crossed Persia (Iran) to reach the region known as the Eastern Empire, before returning to China in the year 727.
Hyecho traveled most of his journey by road for several years, traveling a distance of about 10,000 km, recording in details his experiences.
It took Hyecho approximately four years to complete his journey. The travelogue contains much information on local diet, languages, climate, cultures, and political situations.
Should this trend be confirmed, then this is really the beginning of the China Century or Pax Sinica, that will more and more likely supersede the 20th century's Pax Americana. With its current first world reserve of rare earth mineral, China could definitely put and end to the U.S. hegemony by securing the access to the North Korean rare earth that even surpass the Chinese's by tenfold. Having exhausted their rare earth mineral ore reserve during the Cold War, both the U.S.S.R. and the U.S. can no longer sustain the same pace in the hightech race with China, in the field of supercomputers, semiconductor microchips, lasers, smartphones, radars, missiles, particle accelerators, satellites, etc.. Today, China is even driving a final nail into the U.S. Dystopian Empire's coffin, by landing the Chang'e-4 lunar rover in the South Pole-Aitken Basin, the largest, deepest and oldest known crater in the solar system. Thus the best place to find rare earth mineral. The Chinese Yutu-2 lunar rover will be the first to probe it with ground-penetrating radar and measure its mineral composition with an infrared spectrometer. If rare earth mineral is present, China might find it, before any large scale industrial extraction could begin by 2030, with the first Chinese moon base.
Hurry-up Mr. Xi Jinping, for H.E. Kim Jong Un is not going to remain a passive onlooker, but will clean sweep all the lunar rare earth mineral ore reserve for the DPRK!
▲ Schematics of the orbital trajectory of the North Korean Lunar Exploration Program Phase III: lunar sample-return mission.
Launched with a heavy Unha-20 booster able to place 5t into a LTO, sometimes after 2026. Splash landing of the return capsule in the Pacific Ocean.
Participants in the 8th Congress of the Korean Children's Union visiting the Science-Technology Complex in Pyongyang, on June 5, 2017.
▲ Note: At t=666 seconds (11m06s), possibly the section dedicated to the future North Korean lunar exploration program (Unha-9, Unha-20), as disclosed back in 2012; Hint at future Phase Three with lunar lander and sample-return.
▲ Uncensored backup video: At T=3m06s section dedicated to the future North Korean lunar exploration program (Unha-9, Unha-20), as disclosed back in 2012; Hint at future Phase Three with lunar lander and sample-return.
▲ Official and ambitious goal of North Korea's space program, the exploitation of the lunar rare earths reserve.
Feasibility for North Korea
A suborbital manned flight may be attempted within six months from any civilian or military airfield, as the new civilian space launcher based on the Hwasong-15 intercontinental ballistic missile allows North Korea's NADA space agency, to conduct space launches without the need of any supporting space center, least from Sohae SLC currently under reconstruction.
Basically repeating a well known premise, a more advanced a country becomes in BMs they transfer from liquid to solid fuel. Natural evolution.
NK’s ICBMs are all liquid based, Iran won’t follow such a path. A liquid mobile ICBM is an oxymoron as the support staff required to get the ICBM ready makes it easy to spot preparations compared to solid fuel ICBM.
A liquid fuel ICBM belongs in nuclear proof silos.
If Iran determines ICBM is necessary it will likely want an solid fuel one to be road mobile in order to have legitimate second strike capability.
In the case of Iran, it makes sense to focus on MRBM using large solid fuel engines that can incorporate MIRVs/MRVs.
Imagine an Iranian ballistic missile that has range of 2,500KM but can deliver 3-5 Iranian hypersonic glide vehicles (conventional or nuclear).
A missile that can carry (3) 1,000KG hypersonic warheads or (5) hyperosnic 600-700kg warheads.
1 Missile would be the equivalent of up to 4 Emads, with a near 100% success rating of striking targets (due to Mach 20+ speed).
That should be the future of Iranian Missile direction.
Any missile capable of reaching speeds as high as Mach 21 will practically be an ICBM capable of hitting any location on earth
And within the atmosphere if Iran had the technology to hit a target with a 2000 lb hardened projectile at even Mach 10 the kinetic energy alone would create an explosion almost as big as a nuke so you wouldn't even need explosives and a warhead so I don't think Iran is anywhere close to such a technology
As for high speed glide capable RV's equipped with their own scramjet propulsion that rather then carrying oxygen uses ramjet engines to compress the air..... building something like that would be highly costly both in terms of R&D and production and it would be highly complicated and until perfected it would increase the failure rate of each of your missiles with RV's costing even more than the main booster it's self due to the high cost of the alloys and composites that will be needed
I think what should be more important for Iran is to 1st Increase accuracy 2nd Increase payload capacity 3rd increase sensor capability.
I think what Iran needs is a missile capable of delivering up to 8X750lb highly accurate RV's on exactly the right target at exactly the right time.
And that's a missile you can produce at a rate of 1 per month and 10 of them fired at an airbase could severally effect operation at that base
Any missile capable of reaching speeds as high as Mach 21 will practically be an ICBM capable of hitting any location on earth
And within the atmosphere if Iran had the technology to hit a target with a 2000 lb hardened projectile at even Mach 10 the kinetic energy alone would create an explosion almost as big as a nuke so you wouldn't even need explosives and a warhead so I don't think Iran is anywhere close to such a technology
As for high speed glide capable RV's equipped with their own scramjet propulsion that rather then carrying oxygen uses ramjet engines to compress the air..... building something like that would be highly costly both in terms of R&D and production and it would be highly complicated and until perfected it would increase the failure rate of each of your missiles with RV's costing even more than the main booster it's self due to the high cost of the alloys and composites that will be needed
I think what should be more important for Iran is to 1st Increase accuracy 2nd Increase payload capacity 3rd increase sensor capability.
I think what Iran needs is a missile capable of delivering up to 8X750lb highly accurate RV's on exactly the right target at exactly the right time.
And that's a missile you can produce at a rate of 1 per month and 10 of them fired at an airbase could severally effect operation at that base
A lot of speculation and conjecture....typical Vevak post.
Russia already has HGV warheads in service with their latest ICBM and it can carry conventional or nuclear payload.
Of course new technology’s are more expensive, but once mass production of scale is reached and production prices of materials/components drops it naturally becomes cheaper.
Building a missile that can carry 8 RV’s that are “highly accurate” and “hit exactly at the right time” isn’t even a technical specification it sounds like damn wish list by a fanboy. But of course your “idea” isn’t bound by argument of cost.
I’d rather take a Missile carrying 3-5 highly maneuverable almost impossible to intercept Hypersonic glide vehicles coming in a Mach 20+ than a missile carrying 8 traditional warheads coming in at Mach 5-10.
HGVs are a game changer and even Russia is positioning its S-600 to be Hypersonic interceptor.
Nonetheless, your missile can be used along side the higher tech missile. As Iran will likely not be creating thousands of this HGV missile it will likely number below 100 or low 100s if costs are able to be brought to reasonable levels. Nonetheless it represents an effective non nuclear deterrent against high value targets.
Meanwhile your missile idea can be used against more traditional targets.
Speeds of around Mach 20-25 are orbital velocity speeds depending on your weight and altitude... Feel free to look it up and do your own calculations! So any missile capable of reaching those speeds will be an ICBM and not a 2500km missile!
Kinetic energy also has it's own formula feel free to look that up too and do your own calculation so if a 2000lb mass hits something at Mach 10 that impact alone will create 5,336 MJ of thermal energy which is a power equal to 1.28 tones of TNT now if I change that speed to Mach 20 the power would equal to 5 tones of TNT so basically you would have the power of a very tiny tactical nuke (smaller than Davy Crockettt) without the radioactive fallout with far better penetration capability which is even better than a nuke so you really wouldn't need explosives if you could actually achieve those speeds without burning up on impact....
If my calculations are wrong feel free to point them out!
And yes a missile with 8 RV's will be expensive but in terms of price if produced at home it wouldn't be much different than the cost of 8 missiles that can only carry 1 RV with launch platforms and everything else that they would need! And that's far more doable than something that would need to reach speeds of Mach 10 or higher within the atmosphere without it burning up
Pictures of a new North Korean launcher have been revealed for more than two decades now, similar to the Soviet-era Energia heavy-lift partially recoverable launch system designed for a variety of payloads including the Buran spacecraft.
It is only recently that Iran has disclosed its own version, thus confirming the existence of this still secret joint Irano-North Korean project.
Earlier Artistic Representation of North Korea's Heavy-Lift Space Launcher
▲ North Korean Space shuttle model in the Mangyongdae Schoolchildren’s Palace that was opened in 1989.
Recent Artistic Representation of Iran's Heavy-Lift Space Launcher
An Iranian version of the North Korean Heavy-Lift Space Launcher has figured prominently in a huge graphic that is currently (January 2019) displayed in Tehran's Valiasr Square. The billboard is running in conjunction with the 40th anniversary of the Iranian Revolution.
▲ Note that Sardar Shahid Hajj General Hassan Tehrani Moghaddam, the father of Iran's space program is depicted bringing a treasure trove of [NK] blueprints to his fellow countrymen!
The letters IRGM indicating that the project is run by the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (Missile Force?). 17 January 2019.
Latest Artistic Representation of North Korea's Heavy-Lift Space Launcher
As of June 2018, the heavy-lift space launcher is no longer associated with a space shuttle, but instead the lunar exploration program.
The robotic exploration of its surface.
▲ North Korea's Heavy-Lift Space Launcher and the robotic exploration of the lunar surface. Uploaded on June 2, 2018
Two main rocket engines developing possibly 150-200 ton-force of thrusts each are powering the first stage. Two strap-on boosters are seen, possibly developing 1,000 ton-force each and made of the Qaem solid propellant booster.
Therefore allowing a 20 tons payload in LEO, or 5 tons in LTO.
Current North Korea's Heavy-Lift Space Launcher Unha-20
North Korea's Paektusan-2 rocket engine should develop more thrust than the current Paektusan-1B's 100 ton-force, possibly in the ~200 ton-force (?):
2017/09/04
According to a March 20, 2017 report, Korean military experts analyzing the thrust of the new liquid rocket engine shown in the DPRK photographs, evaluated the liquid rocket engine as a 100-ton-force rocket engine.
The 100-ton-force is 980 kilo Newtons. The 80-ton-force liquid rocket engine appeared on the static ground test on September 19, 2016, and the 100-ton-force liquid rocket engine appeared on the static ground test conducted on March 18, 2017. As a result, it can be seen that, as of September 2017, the Paektusan liquid rocket engine series was developed as an 80 ton-force type in 2016 and a 100 ton-force type in 2017, respectively.
An image dated from April 15, 2017 has disclosed three generations of North Korean space launchers: the KWANGMYONGSONG SLV aka Unha-4, an Unha-9 and the mysterious Unha-20.
▲ One image, three generations of North Korean space launchers. Center: notice the KWANGMYONGSONG SLV aka Unha-4 represented left of a huge (meaning at least twice the size) Unha-9 SLV. Unha-20 are pillar-sized! April 15, 2017 picture.
▲ Schematics of the orbital trajectory of the North Korean Lunar Exploration Program Phase III: lunar sample-return mission.
Launched with a heavy-lift Unha-20 booster able to place 5t into a LTO, sometimes after 2026. Splash landing of the return capsule in the Pacific Ocean.
Participants in the 8th Congress of the Korean Children's Union visiting the Science-Technology Complex in Pyongyang, on June 5, 2017.
▲ Note: At t=666 seconds (11m06s), possibly the section dedicated to the future North Korean lunar exploration program (Unha-9, Unha-20), as disclosed back in 2012; Hint at future Phase Three with lunar lander and sample-return.
▲ Uncensored backup video: At T=3m06s section dedicated to the future North Korean lunar exploration program (Unha-9, Unha-20), as disclosed back in 2012; Hint at future Phase Three with lunar lander and sample-return.
