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Not feasible at all.

Now, I know you will bring up Millennium Challenge 2002 as somehow 'proof' that the small and fast attack crafts tactic is feasible. But what you do not understand is that when we do these war games, it is not to give potential adversaries ways or even clues on how to defeat our forces, rather, it is to expose weaknesses and flaws so that we can take measures to correct them. Further, just because the war game resulted in one outcome, that does not mean it is the only outcome and that it is reproducible by anyone.

Do you know the differences between an 'exercise', a 'war game', and a real war? Am not being facetious. It is a serious question.

Let us take a boxer, for example.

In an exercise, the boxer trains on techniques, lift weights, and monitor his nutrition. No different for a military unit. In an exercise, the unit's primary mission is increased in tempo, meaning load and time. If it is a transportation unit, it will be stressed on how many trucks it can move at a certain time span. If the unit is a flying wing, it will be stressed on how many sortie it can generate within a certain time span. Am sure you can see the point. At no time, the unit will meet any opposition.

In a war game, the boxer spars with an opponent. The sparring partner may use predictable moves to refine the boxer's techniques, or may provide unpredictable moves to train the boxer's tactics. A war game is no different in principles for the military. If the unit is a flying wing, it will meet the 'bad guys' who may or may not produce predictable moves. Inspectors may force the unit to have simulated casualties to reduce manpower to force the unit to be creative. So instead of having the usual 4-man crew to refuel and reload, can the squadron produce the same sortie rate with 3-man crews per aircraft.

A real war is when the boxer enters a tournament where his opponent will be complete unpredictable and will not hold back. A real war is when the military lose or win.

So just because the Millennium Challenge war game turned out poorly for the aircraft carrier, that does not mean the conditions for that event can be reproducible by Iran. The US military is the most self critical military in the world. We have no problems embarrassing ourselves. We pay good money to think tanks like RAND and even Hollywood to come up with scenarios for the military to play war games. Then we examine the results and make changes if necessary.

Take Red Flag, for example. I have been to two Red Flags when I was active duty. Foreign pilots who have been to Red Flag returned home amazed at what we can do. At Red Flag, we have a low deck limit and no real missiles. That is as close to a real air war as one can get.

So let us return to the aircraft carrier and if the Iranian Navy can take on the US Navy.

This...

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...Is not how a carrier fleet arrays in a real war.

There is no photograph available to show how the carrier fleet positions its ships, so here is an illustration...

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To get to the carrier, the Iranian FACs would have to literally cross several hundreds km to meet the fleet's outer defense perimeter.

What about sea state? Do you know what that is?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_sea_scale

Has the Iranian Navy conducted any exercises where the FACs has to negotiate varying sea states to see if these small crafts can survive waves that will be higher than the crafts? The higher the sea state, the more fuel require to travel.

A US aircraft carrier can conduct launch operation in a sea state high enough that the shooter, the man who actually fire off the jet on the catapult, has to time the bow's rise and fall in order to launch an aircraft.

Here is an example of a high sea state and air operations...

https://theaviationist.com/2013/11/26/e-2-high-swells/

If the sea state is high enough to affect the movement of a heavy vessel like an aircraft carrier, what make you think these FACs can survive the journey and still be effective enough to attack the carrier?

Another factor to consider is the presence of the AWACS that WILL see small surface vessels approaching the fleet. If the FACs has to maneuver to avoid air attacks, how much fuel will be available for the assault on the carrier itself, assuming the FACs survive the air attacks? So even before the FACs meet the fleet's outer defense perimeter, they have to fight the fleet's airborne fighters.

The video that you presented is not credible because it took nothing else into consideration. It is propaganda, in the truest sense of the word, designed to motivate passion and not critical thinking.

As @PeeD said, there won't be such defence perimeters in the Persian Gulf. It is too congested and small. And Iran's long coastline is lined with ASCMs that can threaten any ship in it, in addition to the IRGC FAC.

And part of the controversy around MC2002 was that at the end the scenario was altered to the point that it became scripted. Van Riper resigned as Red Commander because of this. This suggests an attitude of arrogance and ignoring issues rather than improvement and self-criticism.

As for a scenario outside the PG, I outlined a strategy Iran should work towards in the future.

https://irangeomil.blogspot.com/2018/02/a2ad-how-to-kill-carrier-outside.html?m=1
 
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So let us return to the aircraft carrier and if the Iranian Navy can take on the US Navy.

This...

4Nu6sFT.jpg


...Is not how a carrier fleet arrays in a real war.

There is no photograph available to show how the carrier fleet positions its ships, so here is an illustration...

YA5FKu1.jpg


To get to the carrier, the Iranian FACs would have to literally cross several hundreds km to meet the fleet's outer defense perimeter.
Shallow Persian gulf, no maneuver, no array, for heavy ships.

and as one of Your own commanders said about entrance to Persian gulf, a shotgun would be more convenient!
 
If the USN ever gets uppity, the IRGC FAC's and Ashm's will absolutely rip apart anything floating in the PG. Seriously it won't even be a fight but a massacre.
 
Considering Iran’s Navy just split there own mowj ship in half because they are incompetent kaboob eaters, I wouldn’t be too thrilled with Iran’s Navy capabilities. It’s clearly a weakness. Subsurface capabilities seem to be a strength.

Luckily for Iran they invested in anti ship missile technology early on to help overcome the lack of a true Navy. If Iran’s Navy in the 1970’s with the latest technology got demolished, hard to see how they will compete in modern day using same old 1970’s designs with some upgrades.

Not to mention they a complete a mowj ship once every half decade....probably too busy making kabobs rather than warships.

Hence why IRGC has adopted the swarm model, which has demonstrated success in nature among animals.
 
Apart from all these interesting comments, today there are news on the frigate / destroyer Sahand and Shiraz, and possibly some of the users have more information or photos of the recovery of broken sections of the hull adel Damavand in Bandar e Anzali?
Thanks in advance
 
As @PeeD said, there won't be such defence perimeters in the Persian Gulf. It is too congested and small. And Iran's long coastline is lined with ASCMs that can threaten any ship in it, in addition to the IRGC FAC.

And part of the controversy around MC2002 was that at the end the scenario was altered to the point that it became scripted. Van Riper resigned as Red Commander because of this. This suggests an attitude of arrogance and ignoring issues rather than improvement and self-criticism.

As for a scenario outside the PG, I outlined a strategy Iran should work towards in the future.

https://irangeomil.blogspot.com/2018/02/a2ad-how-to-kill-carrier-outside.html?m=1
Whatever Van Ripper did does not mean Iran can replicate. The issue here is whether the FACs can do anything to the carrier fleet. So by your own admittance -- none. The advantage is still with the carrier because aircrafts can travel faster and further than boats.
 
If the sea state is high enough to affect the movement of a heavy vessel like an aircraft carrier, what make you think these FACs can survive the journey and still be effective enough to attack the carrier?

A few years ago I got caught in a freak storm about 15 miles offshore in my 30-foot bowrider. I was trying to quarter 6ft waves working the throttle back and forth and several times found myself and the boat airborne, practically vertical in the air with the hull slamming back down and repeating the process for a good 20 minutes or so until it passed. Thought I was going to die and take my whole family and friends with me. It was one of the most awful experiences I ever had.
 
Whatever Van Ripper did does not mean Iran can replicate. The issue here is whether the FACs can do anything to the carrier fleet. So by your own admittance -- none. The advantage is still with the carrier because aircrafts can travel faster and further than boats.
Van Ripper didn't use the boats to attack the fleet, he finished the war in 5 minutes solely by using it's missiles and overwhelming the fleet's defense. boats were nothing but baits.

at least study it then start arguing about it.
 
from Twitter, satellite photo dated March 19, 2018
On the frigate / destroyer Sahand, at the stern of the ship, no artillery system still seems to be installed (CIWS or Fath-40)
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Sahand
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Shiraz
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,.............and possibly some of the users have more information or photos of the recovery of broken sections of the hull adel Damavand in Bandar e Anzali?
Thanks in advance
Now a more sad news

the answer to my question came from Japan, the "greatoppo" user, posted a satellite photo on his Twitter page indicating the date 4 March 2018.
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if this date is confirmed, the sections of the Damavand's hull are still in the same position where they suffered the shipwreck
 
A few years ago I got caught in a freak storm about 15 miles offshore in my 30-foot bowrider. I was trying to quarter 6ft waves working the throttle back and forth and several times found myself and the boat airborne, practically vertical in the air with the hull slamming back down and repeating the process for a good 20 minutes or so until it passed. Thought I was going to die and take my whole family and friends with me. It was one of the most awful experiences I ever had.
The Iranian video was hilarious and these guys promoted it as if the outcome is guaranteed. The fast boats will make it past the outer defense and Iranian troops will take over the carrier without resistance.
 
The Iranian video was hilarious and these guys promoted it as if the outcome is guaranteed. The fast boats will make it past the outer defense and Iranian troops will take over the carrier without resistance.

Gotta admit, though, the mock-up of the carrier was pretty impressive. It looks like they took a tanker and modified it. That's a lot of work and to go through that extreme and train on it is definitely a good sign of the Iranians going all out to train on how to deal with such an event. But yeah, I agree, the video was not really indicative of what it would take to actually "take" a US aircraft carrier.
 
Gotta admit, though, the mock-up of the carrier was pretty impressive. It looks like they took a tanker and modified it. That's a lot of work and to go through that extreme and train on it is definitely a good sign of the Iranians going all out to train on how to deal with such an event. But yeah, I agree, the video was not really indicative of what it would take to actually "take" a US aircraft carrier.

In the end it was just a barge for some training.

The Iranian video was hilarious and these guys promoted it as if the outcome is guaranteed. The fast boats will make it past the outer defense and Iranian troops will take over the carrier without resistance.

Although I agree that boarding is unrealistic, like we have said there will be barely any "outer" defence for the carrier if it is stationed in the Persian Gulf. It is simply too constricted in there.
 

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