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About a year before the shooting down of the passenger plane, USS Stark was hit by an antiship missile. What happened there? Why didn't the Stark shoot down any aircraft in response to being targeted?
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1. To target Exocet, which has inertial guidance and terminal radar homing, you don't necessarily need to have the attacking aircraft paint the target with radar.
2. The pilot fired the first Exocet missile from a range of 22.5 nautical miles (41.7 km), and the second from 15.5 nautical miles (28.7 km), just about the time Stark issued a standard warning by radio. (So, they were aware of the aircraft)
3. The frigate did not detect the missiles with radar; warning was given by the lookout only moments before the missiles struck.

No weapons were fired in defense of Stark. Phalanx remained in standby mode, Mark 36 SRBOC countermeasures were not armed until seconds before the missile hit. The attacking Exocet missiles and Mirage aircraft were in a blindspot of the rear oriented STIR (Signaal tracking and illumination Radar, part of the MK92 Guided missile fire control system), and the rear oriented Oto Melara 6/62 compact naval gun, but in the clear for the WM-25 (aka MK 92 Combined Antenna System, primary search and tracking radar of the Mk 92 Guided Missile Fire Control System) and the Mk 13 Mod 4 single-arm launcher. The ship failed to maneuver to bring its Mk 75 and CIWS to bear before the first missile hit

Citing lapses in training requirements and lax procedures, the U.S. Navy's board of inquiry relieved Captain Brindel of command and recommended him for court martial along with Tactical Action Officer Lieutenant Basil E. Moncrief. Instead, Brindel and Moncrief received non-judicia punishment and letters of rteprimand. Both opted for early retirement, while XO LtCmdr Raymond Gajan Jr. was detached for cause and received a letter of admonition.

Points to HUMAN ERROR.

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From:http://www.jag.navy.mil/library/investigations/uss%20stark%20basic.pdf

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See also http://www.dod.mil/pubs/foi/operation_and_plans/USS_Liberty_Pueblo_Stark/65rev.pdf

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But we don't know what Iran has done to the F-14 since then as I pointed out. And its proven that the F-14 can be modified to ground attack. So saying the F-14 has no ground attack is pretty much thrown out the window. Iran has already shown they can modified their aircraft or other weapons systems.

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Iranian F-14 Tomcat fighter jets get a modern “splinter” color scheme
Sep 04 2013

By David Cenciotti
The photo in this post depicts the first Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force F-14AM (“Modernized”) landing at Tehran Mehrabad International Airport in April 2012.
Iran still operates some Tomcats that are being modernized to extend their operative life. Domestic upgrades include avionics, weapons (R-73E, AIM-54A+ “Fakkur”, AIM-54A, AIM-7E and AIM-9J are among the air to air missiles adapted to the aircraft’s fire control system) and color scheme: indeed the plane was give a three-tone Asian Minor II camouflage pattern resembling the one adopted by Russian 4th and 5th generation fighter planes and U.S. Aggressors.
The Aviationist » Iranian F-14 Tomcat fighter jets get a modern “splinter” color scheme

Indeed, we have 'no idea'... This is a 2013 report of the CURRENT upgrade. The discussion was about F-14 at the time of the Vincennes incident (3 July 1988). At that time, just barely around 25 aircraft were operational despite the US embargo: the Iranian had difficulty enough just to keep them flying, let alone modify them. It is possible to use it as bomber, but priiorities were on air defence.
Grumman F-14 Tomcat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In the 1980s, Iran Outfitted F-14s as Heavy Bombers — War Is Boring — Medium

This story provides a good example regarding carrier vs submarine debate in general:

U.S. aircraft carrier and part of its escort “sunk” by French submarine during drills off Florida

Mar 05 2015


The Aviationist » U.S. aircraft carrier and part of its escort “sunk” by French submarine during drills off Florida

NOTHING NEW here. SSKs have been succesful against carrier groups in exercises for decades....
 
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But what possible advantage does Iran gain by capturing a carrier?

Guy is armed with a modern carrier killer machine gun.
It can reverse engineer it. It runs on 2 nuclear reactors which will be a big prize.
 
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If you did not know already of this guy as a pakistani false flagger, now you know.

@Oscar , @waz is this guy a false flagger ? I very much doubt so, thank you for your effort, gentlemen !
He is a false flagger and he is out there to create hostilities between us and our Iranian friends!So i wuld request to all my Iranian friends to ignore this false flagger @isupportaap as he is not an Indian citizen.
 
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Cowardly because a battlegroup versus a frigate? Funny that you should call Americans cowardly going against Imperial Japan which was superior in numbers. You were stupid to send a frigate against a battlegroup just as the Japanese wasted sending a Yamato battleship by itself against carriers. If you want to challenge going against the U.S. Navy with multiple carriers and other warships and aircraft, fine. Its been done before and the U.S. would be happy to accept that challenge.
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Funny you should mention that the USS Stark was hit by a anti ship missile and they don't want to take chances after that. Think of the timing when USS Stark was hit to USS Vincennes shooting down the passenger plane.



Its been known that the U.S. and other Arab countries supported Saddam against Iran which is no surprise since the hostage crisis.
Perhaps you should blame all of those countries as well. Anyways, what many things mentioned by April Glaspie in private meeting? Please enlighten me. Remember the objective was the removal of Saddam from Kuwait, not conquer Iraq. Saddam didn't say anything about going into Kuwait with U.S. approval. Did he? We could have just done nothing and supported his invasion of Kuwait in return for something eh?



Wow you are really mad about something. How many U.S. flagged tankers have you sunk? You still mad about the Iran-Iraq war? About the sinking of your ships and shooting down your planes? Don't need to start name calling. Usually they resort to such things when they are in the wrong.
But your Govt. was responsible for the killing of 10 Indians,6Pakistanis and 13 UAE citizens who were all killed in that incident.So how do you or for that fact your Govt. justify their deaths as they were citizens of countries that were friendly or neutral to the U.S.A. at that time!Your "shameless" Govt. killed 10 of our citizens who had nothing to do with the U.S.-Iran hostilities and were only flying to Iran for business purposes:angry:.Instead of feeling sorry for the deaths of 274 innocent passengers you are bragging their deaths as a form of revenge against Iran.Man i didn't believe that you would stoop to such a low level:tsk:!!

The "rebels" in ukraine have the same instruments as 2 separate US destroyers ?

Eh , ok ....


Well , we doubt it was un-intentional .

UN and international court of justice agree with us .

We warned them to never come back , true .

But we never threatened them :) see the difference ? i doubt you do .
Leave him alone,mate.He is nothing but a shameless person who is bragging of the deaths of 274 innocent passengers(including 10 of my compatriots) as a form of revenge against Iran.I am sure that the Supreme Lord will judge those "cowards" who shot down and killed all those innocent passengers at some point.
 
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“The research work has now started on the Phalanx system to build its Iranian model,” Rear Admiral Habibollah Sayyari told the Tasnim News Agency.

“The Western type of the Phalanx system is the most advanced one, and the Islamic Republic of Iran will also move to produce that system definitely,” the commander noted.

Consisting of a radar-guided Gatling gun mounted on a swiveling base, the Phalanx has been used by multiple Navies around the world, notably by the US Navy on every class of surface combat ship.

Iranian experts have already produced a powerful Gatling gun, dubbed “Moharram”.

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The six-barrel weapon is a 50 caliber firearm with the high rate of fire of 2,000-2,500 rounds per minute.

The fast machine gun can also be mounted on a broad range of military vehicles, choppers, Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAVs), warships and destroyers.

Tasnim News Agency - Iran Navy Working on Idigenized Version of Phalanx CIWS: Commander
 
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March 09, 2015 - 11:31TEHRAN (Tasnim) – Iran’s domestically-made frigate, dubbed Damavand, officially joined the Navy’s northern fleet in the Caspian Sea on Monday.

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The homegrown vessel, an advanced frigate, was officially delivered to the naval forces stationed in fourth naval zone, north of the country.

Ranking officials, including Secretary of Iran's Supreme National Security Council (SNSC) Ali Shamkhani, Defense Minister Brigadier General Hossein Dehqan and Navy Commander Rear Admiral Habibollah Sayyari attended the ceremony in the port city of Bandar-e-Anzali.

More than 700 industrial, research and academic Iranian centers cooperated in designing and producing the military vessel, which is also a training warship.

Experts at Iran’s Defense Ministry have installed 25 homegrown electronics and communication systems on Damavand, including advanced naval radars and systems for communication, detection and interception.

Damavand is a Jamaran-class frigate with unique features to meet the demands of the Iranian naval forces in the country’s northern waters.

The advanced frigate is capable of tracking the aerial, surface and sub-surface targets simultaneousl
 
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