Iranian mindset towards life and what they really need

[SalarHaqq]

Yup. We all turn into Shah Esmael Safavids when Tractor Sazi clashes with Persepolis. No mercy for perso-kurdis that day on field.

(This has been like that for almost 5-6 decades. Its a proper sports rivalry)

Well, I would tend to differ here. This is a serious issue and Iranian authorities sooner or later will have to step in and curtail it. For when people's outlook is "ethnicized", it will not stay confined to sports rivalries but extend to all areas of social life. And this bears and inherent existential threat.

There's no question that the zio-American enemy has been trying to engineer and promote "ethno"-linguistic separatism in Iran. Their think tank pundits are explicitly on the record for citing as much.

Here's Brenda Schaffer, zionist scholar theorizing Azari separatism against Iran, also involved in the conception of concrete measures in support of this agenda:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/the-...orizing-azari-separatism-against-iran.725077/

So when national symbols - which aren't simply relevant to Persian-speakers but to every Iranian, including the national flag or key elements of national cultural heritage including poets such as Hafez are disparaged by football hooligans and "ethno"-separatists alike, it's national unity and cohesion which are targeted. This in turn poses a threat to national security and will thus have to be dealt with.

Separatist-oriented Traktor Sazi hooliganism is one of multiple assets used by the zionists and NATO to pursue their project for the destruction of the Iranian nation and civilization.

Not us the northerners. We worship Asena the wolf after every Islamic prayer.

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Not sure who does so, but I can say that every religious Azari-speaking Iranian I personally know has no tolerance for paganism / shamanism, nor do they feel proximity to it.

 

[BlessedKingOfLonging]

you only recall that ?

Stop being intellectually dishonest, dude - once the fallacy in your argument gets pointed out, you switch the goalposts at light speed.

He was an Afghan refugee and most such senseless crimes are committed by them. There are Iranians who also commit violent crimes and those dangle from a scaffold more often than not.

So yes, while violent crime does take place, it's also swiftly punished.

 

[MH.Yang]

Btw gang culture is picking up fast in Gharbi Azerbaijan. I think there were some deaths reported in Urmia the other day. These gangs have a smuggling route in both Azerbaijan and Turkey and they have roots in Tehran as well. Not saying they get direct support but they have members who join IRGC and Basij which is why they roam freely.

The tattoos on the back of these men are Guan Yu, the martial god of Chinese Taoism, on the left and Lei Zhenzi, the thunder god of Chinese Taoism, on the right.

Are you sure they are Muslims?

 

[drmeson]

The tattoos on the back of these men are Guan Yu, the martial god of Chinese Taoism, on the left and Lei Zhenzi, the thunder god of Chinese Taoism, on the right.

Are you sure they are Muslims?


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I am pretty sure gangsters would not even know what it represents.

btw I have this symbol pasted on my car. Its our tamgha.

 

[drmeson]

Well, I would tend to differ here. This is a serious issue and Iranian authorities sooner or later will have to step in and curtail it. For when people's outlook is "ethnicized", it will not stay confined to sports rivalries but extend to all areas of social life. And this bears and inherent existential threat.

There's no question that the zio-American enemy has been trying to engineer and promote "ethno"-linguistic separatism in Iran. Their think tank pundits are explicitly on the record for citing as much.

Here's Brenda Schaffer, zionist scholar theorizing Azari separatism against Iran, also involved in the conception of concrete measures in support of this agenda:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/the-...orizing-azari-separatism-against-iran.725077/

So when national symbols - which aren't simply relevant to Persian-speakers but to every Iranian, including the national flag or key elements of national cultural heritage including poets such as Hafez are disparaged by football hooligans and "ethno"-separatists alike, it's national unity and cohesion which are targeted. This in turn poses a threat to national security and will thus have to be dealt with.

Separatist-oriented Traktor Sazi hooliganism is one of multiple assets used by the zionists and NATO to pursue their project for the destruction of the Iranian and civilization.

Can you please relax? It's called soccer rivalry and it's like this all over the world. It's fun, and energtic environment. If you have ever been in a crowd of league matches, you will hear both sides singing anthems trying to roast the other side. You will hear Asena the wolf howl from Tractor fans, from the other quarter you may hear Torke Khar or whatever works... Fooladi fans chant Arab hastim/Nahnu Arab, Persepolis fans roast Esteghlal with "6". We are one of the best soccer nations in Asia, our league is strong. See it like sports, not politics because it is not. Iranian ethnicities have always surprised foreign enemies with their extreme level nationalism towards the nation. Us Turks have massacred our kin across the border when it came to save the nation, Khuzis surprised Saddam, Let turkey turn majority Kurd then see what amazing role our Kurds will play in future. Nobody in Iran is a traitor or anything otherwise this large geography would have not sustained itself for ~3000 years.

 

[BlessedKingOfLonging]

The tattoos on the back of these men are Guan Yu, the martial god of Chinese Taoism, on the left and Lei Zhenzi, the thunder god of Chinese Taoism, on the right.

Are you sure they are Muslims?


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This is completely unrelated but I heard china was to start manufacturing semiconductors with the 14 nm process independently of Western expertise and equipment this year.

Has SMIC launched it's production line yet or will it happen later this year?

 

[Hack-Hook]

Stop being intellectually dishonest, dude - once the fallacy in your argument gets pointed out, you switch the goalposts at light speed.

He was an Afghan refugee and most such senseless crimes are committed by them. There are Iranians who also commit violent crimes and those dangle from a scaffold more often than not.

what fallacy, what about Tehran police chief which is one of the famous cases of bigotry ?
do you guys like me to put links of several more incidents here?
you guys wery easily say west this and west that. but don't look at east at all

So yes, while violent crime does take place, it's also swiftly punished.

yeah for example case of Najafi, so swift that the family of victim could be pressured and bought.

 

[SalarHaqq]

Can you please relax? It's called soccer rivalry and it's like this all over the world. It's fun, and energtic environment. If you have ever been in a crowd of league matches, you will hear both sides singing anthems trying to roast the other side. You will hear Asena the wolf howl from Tractor fans, from the other quarter you may hear Torke Khar or whatever works... Fooladi fans chant Arab hastim/Nahnu Arab, Persepolis fans roast Esteghlal with "6". We are one of the best soccer nations in Asia, our league is strong. See it like sports, not politics because it is not. Iranian ethnicities have always surprised foreign enemies with their extreme level nationalism towards the nation. Us Turks have massacred our kin across the border when it came to save the nation, Khuzis surprised Saddam, Let turkey turn majority Kurd then see what amazing role our Kurds will play in future. Nobody in Iran is a traitor or anything otherwise this large geography would have not sustained itself for ~3000 years.

I wouldn't underestimate the danger potentially emanating from football hooligans. In former Yugoslavia and Bosnia-Herzegovina in particular, they were largely responsible for the first sparks of violence which ignited the so-called "ethnic" war. Owing to the fact that they're a violent, identitarian, emotive and not especially intellectual crowd, they are definitely considered as an asset by hostile intelligence services as they can be manipulated rather easily for sinister political goals. Also notice that there's a particular academic of western origin attached to the Singapore University (if I remember correctly), who specializes in the study of anti-Iranian "ethno"-separatism and football hooliganism at the same time, who has published several papers on the topic.

When the national flag is disparaged and foreign ones are waved, to me that's no longer an expression of brotherly rivalry with other compatriots but an assault on the whole nation itself. But anyway, authorities in Iran have begun reacting. As an example, Nader Ghazipour, longtime member of Majles for the Orumiyeh district has seen his candidacy blocked twice in a row by the Guardian Council (in 1396 and 1400). His political career is probably over. Let's not forget that this is a person who wants all school classes (including mathematics, physics, history etc) to be taught in local languages - a complete anomaly and the perfect slippery slope towards national disintegration at the societal level.

Moreover he is a person who would physically assault journalists over nonsensical arguments as to what linguistic group contributed more to the defence of Iran during the Imposed War. A person who in a talk show on national television would refuse to read from the Divan of Hafez, a major feature of common national heritage, under the pretext that it's Farsi rather than Azari poetry. Good riddance, but there are others like him who are advancing the enemy's agenda and need to be neutralized as well, no matter what group they claim to represent.

 

[Solidify]

The 3-4 Iranians I met at work experiences to social occasions, not 1 liked me being from Pakistan. They had big major stereotype problem from ne being from Muslim origin & than from Pakistan itself. They prefer Indians anyday.

 

[SalarHaqq]

you guys wery easily say west this and west that. but don't look at east at all

We look at everything but we have a sense of proportion and maintain a sound comparative outlook. What we're interested in is to know how Iran compares to the west on these topics. And the answer is that between the west and Iran there's a significant gap in the frequency, gravity and systematicity of such calamities. It's those rejecting this who are in denial, not us.

And we've furnished concrete evidence. For instance, when it comes to harassment of females in the public sphere and particularly in public transports (a traditional hotspot for these things), the case was closed when I cited surveys showing that 100% of women in Paris, France report having been molested at least once in the metro - there's not a chance in the world that the percentage would be as high in Tehran; since I exposed the "rubbers" roaming public transports in the west - they simply don't exist in Iran; since we showed how people in the west are generally scared to death when they witness such scenes and will not even call law enforcement for help - again in stark contrast to Iran.

We also concluded the debate about homicides by disproving the notion that the widespread availability of firearms in the USA is the only reason for their high murder rates (given that in a country like Finland with similar arms ownership levels, murder rates are much lower). We showed that there's no equivalent to US school shootings in Iran, i.e. no such thing is occurring in Iran even with knives or other readily available weapons.

We demonstrated that when it comes to sexual violence, you don't hear of 30-day old babies getting raped on a regular basis in Iran, while in the west such cases surface all the time, and that's the absolute, unprecedented epitome of savagery in this regard. We highlighted the networked paedocriminal / paedo-satanic customs of western political elites, something Iran is far removed from. And so on, and so forth.

 

[SalarHaqq]

The 3-4 Iranians I met at work experiences to social occasions, not 1 liked me being from Pakistan. They had big major stereotype problem from ne being from Muslim origin & than from Pakistan itself. They prefer Indians anyday.

I wish you came to meet these instead:

Eid ul-Fetr prayers.

Al-Quds Day rally.

Surely their reactions would be very different. They're the silent majority in Iran, those who won't rush to emigrate.

 

[Hack-Hook]

nd we've furnished concrete evidence. For instance, when it comes to harassment of females in the public sphere and particularly in public transports (a traditional hotspot for these things), the case was closed when I cited surveys showing that 100% of women in Paris, France report having been molested at least once in the metro - there's not a chance in the world that the percentage would be as high in Tehran

did you made such survey in Tehran ? it's easy to don't investigate the matter in your country and then claim you are better than countries who had investigated it in their countries

 

[Hack-Hook]

We showed that there's no equivalent to US school shootings in Iran, i.e. no such thing is occurring in Iran even with knives or other readily available weapons.

well we certainly make children ready for such attacks so they now what they do in such cases

 

[SalarHaqq]

did you made such survey in Tehran ? it's easy to don't investigate the matter in your country and then claim you are better than countries who had investigated it in their countries

Did you conduct a survey to suggest a whopping 100% of women have been sexually molested in the Tehran metro? Because you know as well as I do that if an objective and professional survey was conducted, there's no way that the result would be even remotely as high.

Individual empirical observation may not be as conclusive as a proper survey but along with common sense, it does allow one to comment on a topic. And fact is that none of the dozens upon dozens of Tehranis I have known, has ever complained about harassment of a female relative in the metro. Not one.

I also understand that when Tehrani friends and relatives allow their 14-15 year old daughters to take the metro alone after dark with no worries whatsoever, and that when they systematically respond with a decisive "no" to my question whether this may not be dangerous like it is over here in the west, there must be a serious qualitative difference in terms of secureness of public transports for women.

Based on these observations, it's effectively impossible not to be so considering rules of statistical probability. Except, of course, if one pretends to be asleep.

Besides, surveys aren't the only instrument available. News reports are another. And any comparative study of these will confirm yet again that Tehran's subway system is much, much safer for women than the one in Paris or other major cities of the west.

We have enough elements at our disposal to conclude that public transportation in Iran is safer for women than in Europe or north America. No matter how one will try to spin it. Case closed.

 

[SalarHaqq]

well we certainly make children ready for such attacks so they now what they do in such cases

What's this? Seriously? I mean we have children getting literally mass-murdered at schools every couple of days in the USA, and this footage is supposed to credibly hold a candle to it?

No equivalent whatsoever exists in Iran to this over-the-top form of violence observed in the USA. No amount of spin can change the fact. Case closed.