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Iranian karrar and turkish altay are among most modern MBTs

Lol i dont know why but all Irianian defence equipment looks hobby grade stuff. The iranian super duper tank looks like a t-55 slapped with ERA, RC gun and funny looking main gun armor glove. wtf?
honestly I didn't like to post it ,but let me post picture of one Made in Pakistan shirt that I bought so everybody see what's hobby grade stuff



you see the prints on it is actually plastic that they put there inside the shirt with the help of heat and adhesive ,till now anything is ok but i wonder what sort of plastic you guys use as it has hardened and in at it's edge separated from the shirt and in one word its like you sew sandpaper at the back of the clothes and made the shirt impossible to wear .
so be fore trying to mock up one of the best looking tanks based on T-xx series just look at yourself
 
honestly I didn't like to post it ,but let me post picture of one Made in Pakistan shirt that I bought so everybody see what's hobby grade stuff



you see the prints on it is actually plastic that they put there inside the shirt with the help of heat and adhesive ,till now anything is ok but i wonder what sort of plastic you guys use as it has hardened and in at it's edge separated from the shirt and in one word its like you sew sandpaper at the back of the clothes and made the shirt impossible to wear .
so be fore trying to mock up one of the best looking tanks based on T-xx series just look at yourself

I agree bro, made in Pak stuff are poor quality and they need to improve alot, but at the end of the day we are not boosting about being regional power
 
Below The Turret Ring



Sunday, March 12, 2017
was an upgraded version of the T-72S Shilden, the last Soviet export version of the T-72 main battle tank.


T-72 being upgraded to Karrar

The Karrar is inspired by the latest Russian T-90MS tank, an enhanced version of the T-90. Unfortunately finding detailed information in English about Iranian tanks is rather problematic, so that the exact relationship between the T-90MS and the Karrar remains uncertain. According to Iranian news websites, the army tested the T-90S or T-90MS in or before 2015, but penultimately rejected buying the tank in favour for a local alternative. This lead to the development of the Karrar, but it is not entirely clear if it is meant to be a copy of the T-90MS or the similarities between the two tanks are result of the a cooperation with the Russian industry. Both versions have been mentioned in different forums and blogs.


The Karrar features a new welded turret

The Karrar tank is still an upgraded T-72S, but it is fitted with a completely new, welded turret as newly released video footages shows. It is also fitted with digital control panels and a battlefield management system. The base armor package of the Karrar's turret was improved, offering a higher level of protection compared to the older composite armor in the cast T-72S turret.


The Karrar provides digital control panels for the crew

Compared to the T-72S Shilden, the current MBT of the Iranian Army, the Karrar offers improvments to armor protection, firepower and electronics. There is no indication that the engine was altered, so the mobility appears to be equal to that of the original T-72S, maybe a bit worse as result of the weight increase.


Not the extruding steel casing at the gun mount

The tank features a new polygonal metal sleeve at the base of the gun barrel. The purpose of this design has not been revealed yet, but it might be an attempt to reduce oscillations when firing on the move. On some combat vehicles, such as the German Puma infantry fighting vehicle (IFV) and the Ukranian BTR-4, the gun barrel is enclosed in a metal casing in order to provide better stabilization when firing multiple rounds on the move.


Karrar MBT prototype: new armor is colored black, while the vehicle is painted grey

The armor protection has been improved by fitting a more modern ERA package to the tank. Previoulsy the T-72S was fitted with the Soviet-made Kontakt-1 armor. The new explosive reactive armor (ERA) covers the frontal aspects of turret and hull, while also protection the hull sides along the crew compartment. At the engine compartment and turret rear section, slat armor is utilized for protection against rocket-propelled grenades (RPGs). The turret sides are fitted with spaced composite armor modules.


Note the odd shaped ERA the glacis, LED headlights, driver's optics and the new gunner's sight

While the explosive reactive armor at the turret front and hull sides appears to be very similar to the Relikt ERA solution used on the T-90MS, the ERA package mounted at the glacis uses oddly-shaped ERA tiles, that are very thick, but have a rather small overall size. It is about twice as thick as the normal Kontakt-1 ERA used on the T-72S Shilden. This type of armor is somewhat reminiscent to the ERA used on Iranian M60 tank.

Most likely the reactive armor of the Karrar provides protection against RPGs, anti-tank guided missiles (ATGMs) with single-stage shaped charge warhead, as well as some degree of reduction in the penetration capabilities of APFSDS ammunition. It might also provide some limited protection against tandem shaped charge warheads, but that is not confirmed.


The T-90MS features ERA also at the turret sides

It must be noted that the latest version of the T-90MS also features explosive reactive armor covering the spaced side armor modules of the turret. On the Karrar such armor is not found, suggesting that it might be reverse-engineered by the Iranian military industry based on older photographs of the tank instead of being a proper cooperation between Iran and Russia. Alternatively Russia might have only offered the older version of the tank, which lacked the enhanced side protection. Two banks of six smoke grenade launchers allow the tank to hide while retreating.


RWS and coommander's sight of the Karrar MBT

The Karrar is fitted with a remote weapon station (RWS), which is coupled to an independent optic for the commander. It includes a thermal imager, a day sight optic (probably a CCD camera with zoom functionality) and a laser rangefinder. The weapon station is armed with a 7.62 mm machine gun and also includes a secondary camera located left to the armament.
This RWS desgin is also used on the T-90MS and on some products of the German company Rheinmetall, where it is known as main sensor slaved armament (MSSA), consisting of a heavy machine gun and a SEOSS sight.


Prototype fitted with the older generation RWS


Older photographs show the Karrar being fitted with a different RWS, which usually is armed with a Soviet-designed PKT machine gun, but it seems to lack the same advanced optronics of the newer design. This remote weapon station is also a lot more bulky, because the ammunition container is located at the side of the gun.


The Karrar MBT features an upgraded fire control system

The fire control system (FCS) of the Karrar has been significantly enhanced. Aside of the new indepent sight for the tank's commander, the main optics for the gunner have been replaced. The gunner's sight now features not only a day sight, but also a thermal imager for enhanced target detection and acquistion at night and in situations with reduced visbility. The origin of the new FCS is unknown, but the local industry has utilized the EFCS-3 from the Solvenian company Fotona in the past to upgrade the dated M60A1 and T-54 tanks. The Defense Industries Organization (DIOMIL) of Iran also offered the KAT-72 FCS as upgrade for older generations of T-72 tanks. Both these systems however lack thermal imagers and independent sights for the tank commander, suggesting that the Karrar utilizes a newly developed system - probably incorporating imported technology. Iran has been supporting the Syrian government, which operates T-72 tanks fitted with the advanced Italian TURMS system. Iran also has good relations with North Korea, from which Syria imported components of thermal imagers for upgrading older T-55 tanks.
A small searchlight, which probably can be rotated, is located next the gunner's hatch. The driver is provided with a new camera system next to his vision block, which contains two optics - probably a daysight CCD camera and a night vision optic. The tank also features new LED headlights.

Suprisingly the Karrar appears to be one of the most advanced modernizations of the T-72 tank, albeit the performance and specifications of most components are currently unknown. If the engine was replaced - but there currently is no sources suggesting that this happned - the tank could be even better. It might be able it compare favourable to tanks such as the Russian T-72B3 and the Polish PT-91 Twardy in many aspects (such armor protection and firepower) - but in the end the crew performances matters just as much as the equipment.

https://below-the-turret-ring.blogspot.com/2017/03/karrar-mbt-unveiled.html
 
Tanks only need to be as good as their doctrines require them to be. Objectively Both tanks will face smart munitions aimed at them and should field some kind of active and passive protection suite. Battle Management; communicating between units and organizing tanks to best use them are crucial. The Altay may be assured it has the air superiority the Turkish and Allied Nato Air Forces can provide, but the Karrar may be operating in hostile areas with out air support. The Karrar has to survive in a harsher battle space.

Also the Karrar may only be brought out during crucial part of an assault as not to waste it as a ATGM Magnet, where infantry would be more appropriate. The Iranians have the experience of 8 years of the Iran-Iraq war, and observing the Two Gulf wars and their aftermath for the last 30 years. They also operate with the Lebanese groups and are active for over 5 years in the war in Syria.

Their equipment may not be the latest composite Armour or most advanced optics, but their tactics are sharp. They do a lot with a small budget. Pakistan could learn a thing or two from studying the Iranian experience of the last 40 years. Never underestimate the cornered fox.

P.S. the above is a non-political analysis of each countries products not an opinion on their politics. The comments should not be misunderstood as an endorsement of the behaviors of either nation in their military campaigns over the years. Just an objectively look at prism each product should be viewed through.
 
Karrar weighs about 45 tons, influenced by T-72 chassis. Altay weighs about 65 tons, influenced by Leopard 2 chassis. Also, Karrar has ERA Altay don't.
 
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this article deals only with date of production. All it say is which are the latest tanks produced. Other than that , there is nothing here that can be concluded about any particular tank.

Other than that you forgot to mention that there are also two Israeli Tanks on the that list :

Merkava IV Barak - 2004, and Merkava IV M Windbreaker (Israel) - 2009
Wait so Israel named its Merkava, the Windbreaker? Maybe your Merkava needs to change its diet to reduce its flatulence!!!
 
Wait so Israel named its Merkava, the Windbreaker? Maybe your Merkava needs to change its diet to reduce its flatulence!!!
Windbreaker is a local name of Trophy APS (active protection system). Merkava equipped with Trophy is called Merkava-4M.

Karrar weighs about 45 tons, influenced by T-72 chassis. Altay weighs about 65 tons, influenced by Leopard 2 chassis. Also, Karrar has ERA Altay don't.
Karar does not exist. Its just a show like Zulfiqar.
 
Turkish altay is based on the german leopard and Iranian karrar is based on Russian tank t 90?i believe
 
ALTAY Tank = Turkish+S.Korea+German technologies combined makes ALTAY in top 3 in the World with German Leopard2A7+ and S.Korean K2 Black Panther


ALTAY Tank

Aselsan VOLKAN III new generation Fire control System
Roketsan Special modular reactive composite Armour Protection ( bor-carbon based )
Aselsan Driver's Vision System, Navigation System, IFF system
Aselsan Laser warning System
C3I System
CBRN protection
Life support system
Fire extinguishing and explosion suppression System
Soft Kill (Smart Smoke Curtain) System
Aselsan Hard Kill AKKOR Active protection System .... ( only a few countries in the world )
Aselsan 12.7mm Remote control Weapon Station
Aselsan Jammer against remote control IED attacks
360 degrees situational awareness System ( Cameras and Sensors)
YAMGOZ Telescopic Elevated Observation System (EOS)
STANAG 4579 compatible Battlefield target Identification System

Both the gunner and the commander will be provided with stabilised day/thermal sights
Laser range finder having hunter killer capability
To be able to function under 4.1 metres of water
Range : 500km
Speed : 70 km/h

Strong chassis characteristics with its technological base the South Korean K2 Black Panther

German Reihnmetall 120mm L/55 caliber smoothbore Gun ... ( under license production by MKEK in Turkey )
German MTU 1500hp diesel engine ( one of the best engine in the world ) and indigenous engine is under development


also T2 and T3 variants

-- Laser guided Missile firing capability ( 8 km )
-- Crew training mode and Mobile net Camouflage
-- Unmanned Turret
-- Automatic Loading System


 
i think leopard 2a7 is best of them .:unsure:

why what did leopart do except to have written inside "made in germany" did it see any war any action?

american tanks or israelian tanks are more tested and active in war or combat area.. that means you will have demands from driver, gunner and so on to make something better.. you will have lots of reports of problems so you will enhance your hardware and software I dont see that happen with leopard

Altay weighs about 65 tons, influenced by Leopard 2 chassis

LOL
 
Karar does not exist. Its just a show like Zulfiqar.
I'm sure as always you are 400% correct
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why what did leopart do except to have written inside "made in germany" did it see any war any action?

american tanks or israelian tanks are more tested and active in war or combat area.. that means you will have demands from driver, gunner and so on to make something better.. you will have lots of reports of problems so you will enhance your hardware and software I dont see that happen with leopard



LOL

I think in heavy industries like steel. Germany is unrivaled. that why most sensitive parts of the m 1 Made by Germany ...
 
honestly I didn't like to post it ,but let me post picture of one Made in Pakistan shirt that I bought so everybody see what's hobby grade stuff



you see the prints on it is actually plastic that they put there inside the shirt with the help of heat and adhesive ,till now anything is ok but i wonder what sort of plastic you guys use as it has hardened and in at it's edge separated from the shirt and in one word its like you sew sandpaper at the back of the clothes and made the shirt impossible to wear .
so be fore trying to mock up one of the best looking tanks based on T-xx series just look at yourself
10 tomman grefti?
 
I'm sure as always you are 400% correct
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Nothing against the Karrar but why are most of the photos and video footages provided from Iranian medias always with such a low quality? Don’t they have newer cameras and equipment to provide a better view?
 
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