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Just because you bought a cheap property in Iran does not mean you became an expert on Iran's power structure.

Again you are talking like a child.

When you need stuff done you go thru IRGC connections. You never say “let me find a mullah to get this done”.

Chitgar one of the most expensive commercial and residential projects of Tehran was operated and done by IRGC. You could only buy if you had IRGC connections. So again name me a single Mullah who you would contact to get stuff done for you in Tehran or any major city? Qalibaf and his crew = former IRGC. Anyone in power in Iran has connections or is IRGC alumni. The Rafsanjani and Larjani clans are a dying breed. This is the age of technocrats.

You have zero idea how business world works over there. It’s beyond cheap properties and stores, I know people who are import and export business and who deal in significant business deals. IRGC always has a hand in anything.

That is why JCPOA was useless because the west effectively barred any bank from doing business with an entity that also does business with IRGC…well that’s pretty much every sector of Iranian economy. No where in JCPOA said you cannot do business with entity that also does business with “mullah officials” lol.
 
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Khamenei is not a "bloody tyrant" at all. To the contrary, as I said, "Ultimately, the IRI is pragmatic and capable of bending to the will of the people".

And most people in Iran still support the IRI. That probably won't change any time soon, and the pace of chance won't be as slow as you think.
Yeah I was talking about Mao with bloody tyrant part, and I'm not leaving this on the shoulders of Khamanei alone, things were shit enough before Khamanei came, he's not the architect of this mess, he's the inheritor. I'm not in the know to judge whether he made things better or worse to be honest. I can't tell.
 
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You could call him a traitor but he raises some valid points that needs to be addressed.

Whenever the system is criticized, you guys get very defensive. But almost all of you live outside of Iran.

If Iran is such a paradise, it's like a rose garden then it begs the question of why many of you do not want to live there.



So it makes you a traitor if you want a secular government. Good to know.

Why are you in Canada again?
So it makes you a traitor if you want a secular government. Good to know.
That guy literally said he was okay for a foreign action on Iran, and Whites interfering in Iran for the sake of freedom and democracy

This is impossible to have a conversation with these guys as all their answers are filled with insults, and this goes the same for their logic, anyone opposing a change of government is forcibly a mullah spy and a disguised Arab/whatever they call

They also seem to have a problem with Achemenid and Sassanid era, it looks like in their head, this place was the Aether or some magic place where everything was alright and everyone happy with free happy Iranian villagers, unicorns and rainbows and pink clouds with fairies, Iranian elfs and desert dwarfs with the Spartans Iranians that did the last standing against the nasty Arabs or something like that, the same things we see inside notable fantasy orientalist books about Persia. They love to lick the boots of Whites and insult everyone that isn't white and take them as inferior, as well saying to those not agreeing with them that they are "Arab bootlicker", which means nothing. These Iranian atheists Sassanidists Teletubbies makes Hitler and US neocons look like moderate in their views.

You can't talk with someone that is under the influence of alcohol or drugs, this is the same process here, they are out of reality and not on earth.

They think that if the current govt is removed = Iranians are free and a magic democracy coming from nowhere is coming with a godlike leader that will liberate all Iranians and not selling his country or whatever

Every of these so called "dissidents and grassroot activists" are located outside Iran in western countries particularly USA, this isn't free to stay in the USA, being paid by their taxpayers, they think they will get back to Iran and make their own law? Nothing is free. They think that if Hijab is removed all problems are solved, no, they will use another excuse just to remove the current government.

The Whites want to see Iranians dying, they are thirsty of Iranian blood, they are waiting for that exact moment to bring everyone into a civil war, slice the country in 6 parts, and while the Iranians while be at war with themselves, the Whites will loot Iran to its gills, they will make pipelines in areas they had controlled with probable proxies in Arabestan, religiously trained by Saudi Arabia, the pipelines will transit to Israel or Egypt to then Europe, they will also take their free gas, rape people here as they always did.
 
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Whites interfering in Iran for the sake of freedom and democracy
Stopped reading after this. What the **** does any of this have to do with race?

Keep your immigrant inferiority complex and racial hatred in France, don't bring it to topics concerning Iran.
 
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Stopped reading after this. What the **** does any of this have to do with race?

Keep your immigrant inferiority complex and racial hatred in France, don't bring it to topics concerning Iran.
I'm not referring to races by saying Whites but White governments, Western governments if you prefer. This is the same when they point at Iran by saying "Shia regime", "Arab regimes", "Middle East" "MENA" "Shia-backed regimes" and other borderline racist terms

What immigrant inferiority complex? This is literally the opposite and prominent in the regime change Iranians abroad that want to be associated with Whites. And for the rest i am born in France and i have the right to talk about Iran, and again everyone posting there doesn't have to be Iranian or have Iranian origins, if this is the case show me the PDF rule mentioning only Turks can post on the Turkey section and only Iranian in the Iran section, only Chinese in the China section
 
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I'm not referring to races by saying Whites but White governments, Western governments if you prefer. This is the same when they point at Iran by saying "Shia regime", "Arab regimes", "Middle East" "MENA" "Shia-backed regimes" and other borderline racist terms

What immigrant inferiority complex? This is literally the opposite and prominent in the regime change Iranians abroad that want to be associated with Whites. And for the rest i am born in France and i have the right to talk about Iran, and again everyone posting there doesn't have to be Iranian or have Iranian origins, if this is the case show me the PDF rule mentioning only Turks can post on the Turkey section and only Iranian in the Iran section, only Chinese in the China section
Have you any idea what Aryan means? Iran is a white government. Does Khamanei look black to you?

You're using a very absurd language.

If you're referring to NATO say NATO. From where I'm standing Iran is whiter than Israel.
Iran, Indo-European
Israel, semitic.
 
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I am gonna come furth brutally honest here..

A would prefer a cleric regime for Pakistan rather then this current secular democracy system. You won't have enemies I admit but still it comes with it's own headache and my turkish fellow here can also somehow attest to this.

79' revolution was good for Iran because atleast one entity soldified itself without leaving or sharing the power hence no vacuum or the usual back and forth. The same case with the Taliban regime in AFG I believe they hit the jackpot that the IEA has soldified itself. Even Aliyev's one man show is great and political stability.

Erdogan's 20 year dominance in turkish politics has proven to be god' send for Turkey as it has developed and evovled rather then a back and forth situation..

As for Pakistan all tho we did great for ourselves in the last 75 years and went from strength to strength we have always had side-chick headache with this whole democracy thingy it has been risky at times but thank god it has not turn into a massive disaster as off yet but democracy is like that always can be risky adventure and it is like having a risky side-chick that can jeopardize your life.

If Iran wants to go away from the Cleric regime I would suggest go back to a monarchy system something similar to like the Gulf states hence they have the least political instability
 
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Erdogan's 20 year dominance in turkish politics has proven to be god' send for Turkey as it has developed and evovled rather then a back and forth situation..
You don't know what kind of hell it is for the people who lived through it lol.

Look I'm not a big proponent of democracy, most people are easily manipulated fools. But the problem in Pakistan didn't arise from the democratic rule from as far as I can tell. The democratically elected Imran Khan government was ousted with anti-democratic means.

P.S. Please ask our Iranian friends here if what they are living through feels like stability lol. You must not have heard of the riots earlier.
 
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LOL and you are supposed to be the most intelligent out of you lot here?

So a false flagger with Swedish flags is going to convince this forum that he is really from Sweden and the oh so evil news about the clerical regime is only propaganda?

You can't make this %hit up

Even if we assume that you are from Sweden, are you going to tell me, an Iranian, which news to believe regarding my own country? :rofl:

The most funniest thing is that you said you only come to this corner of the internet to get your super duper credible news :rofl:

Man, i consider it even an insult against myself by talking with you guys. Freaking laughable. Poor other members must be shocked here when they take a look in the Iranian chill thread.

@all... this is not the IQ of the average Iranian. What you are seeing here is a pathetic funny attempt at whitewashing mullah crimes.


Don't drink too much alcohol? omg

From which village in Iran or Lebanon,Somalia, Syria are you typing these things?

Fantastic. Love it. You sound so hopelessly knocked down. Please don’t stop. The fun has just started.
 
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I am gonna come furth brutally honest here..

A would prefer a cleric regime for Pakistan rather then this current secular democracy system. You won't have enemies I admit but still it comes with it's own headache and my turkish fellow here can also somehow attest to this.

79' revolution was good for Iran because atleast one entity soldified itself without leaving or sharing the power hence no vacuum or the usual back and forth. The same case with the Taliban regime in AFG I believe they hit the jackpot that the IEA has soldified itself. Even Aliyev's one man show is great and political stability.

Erdogan's 20 year dominance in turkish politics has proven to be god' send for Turkey as it has developed and evovled rather then a back and forth situation..

As for Pakistan all tho we did great for ourselves in the last 75 years and went from strength to strength we have always had side-chick headache with this whole democracy thingy it has been risky at times but thank god it has not turn into a massive disaster as off yet but democracy is like that always can be risky adventure and it is like having a risky side-chick that can jeopardize your life.

If Iran wants to go away from the Cleric regime I would suggest go back to a monarchy system something similar to like the Gulf states hence they have the least political instability
Iran is already one of the most politically stable country in the region

You don't know what kind of hell it is for the people who lived through it lol.

Look I'm not a big proponent of democracy, most people are easily manipulated fools. But the problem in Pakistan didn't arise from the democratic rule from as far as I can tell. The democratically elected Imran Khan government was ousted with anti-democratic means.

P.S. Please ask our Iranian friends here if what they are living through feels like stability lol. You must not have heard of the riots earlier.
The problem is that Iranian INSIDE Iran voices are barely heard if not heard at all and these anti regime Iranians in Canada and even non-Iranians are talking for them and being their spokespersons, the riots numbers barely got over 20000 people and this was when at its peak, yesterday millions of Iranians gathered at a Mosque, this already debunk the western claims that ALL Iranians "had enough of religion", i don't think Iranians inside Iran are pleased that some people on the other side of the planet are talking for them and being their "voices"

22 February there were at eye looking with streets completely full, at least 100000 people, debunking the "All Iranians hate the government trust me bro", the funerals of the victims of the attack in the shrine probably had more people than the "revolution" at its peak, and when you look at it, they look like some organized people coming with their friends, there is no woman at all in the riots neither normal protests from the drone footages and video shown from residentials

This riot revolution thing is a basic method used since decades with others countries as well, consists of overexaggerating the numbers of rioters to a point of saying "The whole Iranian people are protesting". It starts with a protest against gas prices, it finishes into a "protest for removal of the regime" basically everytime, hijacked by liberal diasporas

And that same guy above was also doing compulsively the same thing that other anti regime Iranians diasporas does always, using quotes such as "All Iranians" "We all Iranians" "I can tell you that no Iranian sides with them" "A lot of Iranians": source: trust me bro as always. Now the revolution community passed on doing replays of riots on TV and making some Hollywood like films of the last 6 months, replaying things everyone already saw. Particularly the video of a man being rolled on by a police dirtbike (the violence is disgusting and i say it) and "shot at point blank to the head", but this was figured to be false as the man was still moving after supposedly taking a 45ACP bullet at point blank on his skull, it was figured to be a plastic bullet from the anti riot weapons. But the guy got ran over by the dirt bike. Beside this particular video, the riots are pretty much riots, molotov are thrown and gas used on rioters, flashbangs etc, there are no "Tanks and 12.7mm machine guns and Su-22 bombing people" as some psychos said. Also i will never trust the "900 deaths" coming from British NGOs, if this was true, we would have seen a ton of video showing people getting shot at with real bullet and piles of cadavers on the streets, what method do they use to count the cadavers? Spy satellites? A special spy to count the cadavers? And i thought internet was cut also, but somehow they are still reporting from there.

Blatant just like the 1500 deaths of 2019. Otherwise the hanged people got hanged and reported by the government itself, and no, they are not hanged "In the streets of Tehran with childrens looking", but inside of a prison either in private which is nearly the method used all the times, public hanging in the prison is very rare and the last one beside that rioter one dates from a very long time.

The riots were all in big cities and the capital, no rural, and without the rural approval, there will never be any overthrow, this is a dead end at each approach which leads them to advocate for a foreign force to bomb their own country. Tehran and Ispahan isn't Iran as far as i know
 
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Unfortunately in a place that there are some people in Iran and they want to hide or "mast mali" chemical revenge attack on school girls in Islamic Republic of Iran's schools with their books are approved by the system their teachers are trained by the system and the government pays for most of education and the teachers.

For last 40 years Iran's message to the world was Iraq during 80s used chemical attacks against civilians and military of both Iran and Iraq population and now some morons in the light of day doing these things in their place of education and get away with it like the walk in a park.*

If military grade WMD are used, the impact will be "slightly" different from what transpired in Iran as of late, that is school girls feeling dizzy for a couple of hours and quickly recovering afterwards. You may confidently take this to the bank.

Moreover there's no evidence that someone was carrying out "revenge attacks" in broad daylight. Considering the frequency of these incidents at least one perpetrator would have been sighted by eye witnesses, who'd then have filmed the suspect(s) with their mobile phones. Before you know it the internet would've been flooded with corresponding images.

There's no māst māli involved when international medical experts opine that this was a typical phenomenon of mass psychosis, for which there are multiple quasi identical precedents the world over. If some people only cared to read up on these precedents in earnest. Next door in Afghanistan for instance, the very same sort of incidents have been taking place uninterruptedly for numerous years now. The UN, which certainly does not harbor any favorable bias towards the Taleban, dispatched its own teams of investigators and their conclusion was that there's no evidence for poisoning. Reports to this effect proved thus unreliable and tendentious.

We've had a non-Iranian physician specializing in the field, who carefully studied publicly available information relating to the dossier, sign up on PDF and inform us in this very thread not only about his findings but also about the censorship his work had been subjected to in mainstream media. This onto itself ought to tell us a lot.

Also the case of National-Socialist Germany you cited in illustration of ostracism and persecution of ethnic / religious minorities is quite disconnected from whatever semantics some may have used in Iran to designate either actual counter-revolutionaries or mild critics. The Islamic Republic by virtue of its principled anti-imperialist stance has been and will be bound to face raging hostility from imperialist enemies, which will not be without a certain impact on Iranian society. Security imperatives will be different for the Iranian government and potential threats won't be taken too lightly, understandably so. Which might reflect itself in the language and general mindset of those tasked with upholding national security as well as law and order. This however has never and will never result in people being systematically arrested and locked up in camps based on their sole "ethno"-linguistic or religious backgrounds, nor anything of the sort. These situations aren't comparable, really.

On a sidenote, I'd advocate using historic examples from regions closer to us. The WW2-centric worldview, which intends to turn that page of mainly European history into an exclusive universal benchmark by which every contemporary occurrence is to be measured (and ethically judged) no matter how inoperative the historic analogy, is in fact part and parcel of the zio-American empire's instruments of dominance. It is used by them as an object of neuro-linguistic programming.



No, which is the source of most problems.

You can't elect people who have different thought processes, ideas and methods of governance. Naturally, many people who no longer have faith in the system just leave the country.

Sometimes you insult the country, okay it is what it is, lets look at the positives that can be found between our countries. One of the things about Turkey is its system of governance is adaptable to changes, right now you can vote for Kilicdaroglu, and push the country to a completely new direction (assuming no sketchy business is taking place in the elections). Such a thing doesn't exist in Iran, it is like voting for Putin or Putins best buddy Medvedev.

Actually political pluralism in Iran is far more pronounced compared to the prevailing norm in so-called "democracies" of the west or Turkey for that matter.

In the Islamic Republic one of two main factional groupings, namely the camp made of reformists and moderates, intends to entirely do away with the current political system and to put an end to the existing constitutional order from within, Gorbachev-style. Their values and political convictions - unfettered economical as well as social-cultural liberalism, creeping proclivity for secularism, blind admiration for anything western and obsession about "normalizing" ties with Washington, are diametrically opposed to the very pillars of the Islamic Republic's founding ideology.

No need to go into details I would assume, since assiduous observers of Iranian politics over the years paid attention to the discourse and policies emanating leading moderate figures such as Rafsanjani or Rohani as well assorted reformists, so those observers will necessarily be aware of the fact.

Whereas not a single liberal so-called "democracy" has to contend with a situation where one of its two main governing parties is pursuing an implicit agenda to topple the political order through institutional means. The day on which either the Democrats or the Republicans set out to conform to an agenda defined by authorities in Tehran and to steer the United States into that direction, is when the American system of governance will officially become as pluralistic as the Islamic Republic.

That the Islamic Republic, thanks its founders' extraordinary foresight has a series of built-in institutional safeguards in place which make it difficult for infiltrated elements to disrupt the system from the inside, might have caused liberals to fail at bringing their subversive agenda to its intended conclusion. However, it does not imply that views held by said liberals aren't in stark contrast with the tenets embodied by revolutionary and principlist factions, nor that political alternance through elections is any less substantial than it effectively is, i.e. a whole lot more than elsewhere.

When people get poorer and poorer everyday due to currency devaluation coupled with foreign cultural penetration against IR, that sentiment will change very quickly. Especially when the older generations are no longer alive who are notably more Pro-IR than the younger generations.

Soon youth will as good as disappear from Iranian society due to the steep demographic downward slope the country happens to be engaged on. Iranians are already having fewer children than the French, which is pretty telling. Fewer people under 30 years of age = fewer manipulable hotheads volunteering to confront security forces, fewer buyers to be found for pseudo-insurgent romanticism peddled by enemy-controlled mass media.

From this perspective, time's actually running out for the anti-IR crowd.

This is what happens with every revolution. The originals, the OGs eventually gone and are periodically replaced by lesser believers until the people ruling the system themselves are not particularly interested in defending it. The Soviet Union would have never failed had the mentality of the OGs of the 1920s were still around in the 1980s. They would still be here today.

Well, a number of revolutions (in Cuba, Korea, Iran to name a couple) have weathered these stages with functioning generational succession all the while of displaying impressive degrees of resilience to outside pressure.

In fact some western analysts have come to the realization that revolutionary systems like the Islamic Republic of Iran are actually among the world's most stable, and that crises only strengthen them, contrary to the impression created by the empire's ongoing and very real antagonism.

Among these sharp observers is the author of the following paper published in the "New York Times" less than two years ago (some of the usual propagandistic concepts resorted to against the IR notwithstanding):

 
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Iran is already one of the most politically stable country in the region


The problem is that Iranian INSIDE Iran voices are barely heard if not heard at all and these anti regime Iranians in Canada and even non-Iranians are talking for them and being their spokespersons, the riots numbers barely got over 20000 people and this was when at its peak, yesterday millions of Iranians gathered at a Mosque, this already debunk the western claims that ALL Iranians "had enough of religion", i don't think Iranians inside Iran are pleased that some people on the other side of the planet are talking for them and being their "voices"

22 February there were at eye looking with streets completely full, at least 100000 people, debunking the "All Iranians hate the government trust me bro", the funerals of the victims of the attack in the shrine probably had more people than the "revolution" at its peak, and when you look at it, they look like some organized people coming with their friends, there is no woman at all in the riots neither normal protests from the drone footages and video shown from residentials

This riot revolution thing is a basic method used since decades with others countries as well, consists of overexaggerating the numbers of rioters to a point of saying "The whole Iranian people are protesting". It starts with a protest against gas prices, it finishes into a "protest for removal of the regime" basically everytime, hijacked by liberal diasporas

And that same guy above was also doing compulsively the same thing that other anti regime Iranians diasporas does always, using quotes such as "All Iranians" "We all Iranians" "I can tell you that no Iranian sides with them" "A lot of Iranians": source: trust me bro as always. Now the revolution community passed on doing replays of riots on TV and making some Hollywood like films of the last 6 months, replaying things everyone already saw. Particularly the video of a man being rolled on by a police dirtbike (the violence is disgusting and i say it) and "shot at point blank to the head", but this was figured to be false as the man was still moving after supposedly taking a 45ACP bullet at point blank on his skull, it was figured to be a plastic bullet from the anti riot weapons. But the guy got ran over by the dirt bike. Beside this particular video, the riots are pretty much riots, molotov are thrown and gas used on rioters, flashbangs etc, there are no "Tanks and 12.7mm machine guns and Su-22 bombing people" as some psychos said. Also i will never trust the "900 deaths" coming from British NGOs, if this was true, we would have seen a ton of video showing people getting shot at with real bullet and piles of cadavers on the streets, what method do they use to count the cadavers? Spy satellites? A special spy to count the cadavers? And i thought internet was cut also, but somehow they are still reporting from there.

Blatant just like the 1500 deaths of 2019. Otherwise the hanged people got hanged and reported by the government itself, and no, they are not hanged "In the streets of Tehran with childrens looking", but inside of a prison either in private which is nearly the method used all the times, public hanging in the prison is very rare and the last one beside that rioter one dates from a very long time.

The riots were all in big cities and the capital, no rural, and without the rural approval, there will never be any overthrow, this is a dead end at each approach which leads them to advocate for a foreign force to bomb their own country. Tehran and Ispahan isn't Iran as far as i know

I would say better then some but not entire stability and that is because of the massive large secular element rugged beneath Iran.

You see Iran has a significiantly large pro-democracy and pro-secularism elements within it's borders that outnumber the cleric supporters 10 to 1..

Just look at the protests that lasted for months and these people didn't just appeared out of nowhere overnight because they have always been there.

Another thing to note is that Iran has significiantly higher number of apostate and secret apostates within it's border more then any other place in the region. Technically when Iranians leave Iran the first thing they do is apostate I know many iranians in person in the west and all have apostated. Probably the only community that apostates at such high number in the west.

In my opinion eventually give it 20-25 years the secular element of Iran is bound to take over the country I don't see it being whole alot of bloodsheed because they are growing significiantly as we speak and they will eventually put enough pressure on the gov't to stand down and by the Gov't I mean the Ayatullah will stand down.

In the recent protests they almost pushed the Ayatullah to make concessions to them but in the coming decades the Cleric regime will make way for a new generation of youths who are libertists
 
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I would say better then some but not entire stability and that is because of the massive large secular element rugged beneath Iran.

You see Iran has a significiantly large pro-democracy and pro-secularism elements within it's borders that outnumber the cleric supporters 10 to 1..

Just look at the protests that lasted for months and these people didn't just appeared out of nowhere overnight because they have always been there.

Another thing to note is that Iran has significiantly higher number of apostate and secret apostates within it's border more then any other place in the region. Technically when Iranians leave Iran the first thing they do is apostate I know many iranians in person in the west and all have apostated. Probably the only community that apostates at such high number in the west.

In my opinion eventually give it 20-25 years the secular element of Iran is bound to take over the country I don't see it being whole alot of bloodsheed because they are growing significiantly as we speak and they will eventually put enough pressure on the gov't to stand down and by the Gov't I mean the Ayatullah will stand down.

In the recent protests they almost pushed the Ayatullah to make concessions to them but in the coming decades the Cleric regime will make way for a new generation of youths who are libertists
Read my message above about the protests and the ultra exageration of them

The secular elements of Iran were already supposed to take over the country three decades ago, two decades ago, one decade ago, five years ago, one year ago and one month ago, Iran leader was supposed to flee to Venezuela two months ago, the predictions are useless but that's not the problem in my view

The problem is that currently if an imaginary overthrow happens to remove the cleric government and Islamic Republic, it would undoubtedly lead into a civil war, we're not mediums but maybe in 25year the worldwide situation could be stable which i highly doubt

Look at Israel who changed prime minister 3 times in a year, Pakistan, Afghanistan

Who are the secular elements within Iran borders? The kurdish groups in Iraq? The Talibans?

I think you are holding that exagerrated view of the protests that most mainstream medias were and are spreading, there were millions of Iranians days ago in Imam Reza mosque for the end of ramadan, the 22 February, streets were filled for the revolution anniversary, there is no way millions of people are getting paid to do a theater scene, this is the western propaganda kind of thing, same as when Soleimani died, the opposition and Trump were saying that "No more than 3 guys will be there for the mourning no one supports him", then massive numbers in Iran and Iraq, couting in millions

The riots from past 6 months, at their peak, barely reached more than 20000 people, faded away then turned into some kind of organized groups planning things such as burning some infrastructure, and very strangely, burning a Mosque and destroying Palestine street signs (totally not a foreign funded riot)

As the apostate, I'm living in France, i am seeing a ton of Saudi/Emirati/Other arab sons of diplomats, son of emirs and sheiks, doing apostasy every day (drinking, smoking, paying prostitutes, resorting to usury, making White women pregnant and going away for another one and doing the worst acts and sins)
 
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If military grade WMD are used, the impact will be "slightly" different from what transpired in Iran as of late, that is school girls feeling dizzy for a couple of hours and quickly recovering afterwards. You may confidently take this to the bank.

Moreover there's no evidence that someone was carrying out "revenge attacks" in broad daylight. Considering the frequency of these incidents at least one perpetrator would have been sighted by eye witnesses, who'd then have filmed the suspect(s) with their mobile phones. Before you know it the internet would've been flooded with corresponding images.

There's no māst māli involved when international medical experts opine that this was a typical phenomenon of mass psychosis, for which there are multiple quasi identical precedents the world over. If some people only cared to read up on these precedents in earnest. Next door in Afghanistan for instance, the very same sort of events have been taking place uninterruptedly for numerous years now. The UN, which certainly does not harbor any favorable bias towards the Taleban, dispatched its own teams to investigate and their conclusion was that there's no evidence for poisoning. Reports to this effect proved thus unreliable and tendentious.

We've had a non-Iranian physician specializing in the field, who carefully studied publicly available information relating to the dossier, sign up on PDF and inform us in this very thread not only about his findings but also about the censorship his work was subjected to in mainstream media. This onto itself ought to tell us a lot.

Also the case of National-Socialist Germany you cited in illustration of ostracism and persecution of ethnic / religious minorities is quite disconnected from whatever semantics some may have used in Iran to designate either actual counter-revolutionaries or mild critics. The Islamic Republic by virtue of its principled anti-imperialist stance has been and will be bound to face raging hostility from imperialist enemies, which will not be without a certain impact on Iranian society. Security imperatives will be different for the Iranian government and potential threats won't be taken too lightly, understandably so. Which might reflect itself in the language and general mindset of those tasked with upholding national security as well as law and order. This however has never and will never result in people being systematically arrested and locked up in camps based on their sole "ethno"-linguistic or religious backgrounds, nor anything of the sort. These situations aren't comparable, really.

On a sidenote, I'd advocate using historic examples from regions closer to us. The WW2-centric worldview, which turns that page of mainly European history into the foremost universal benchmark by which every contemporary occurrence is to be measured no matter how inoperative the historic analogy, is in fact part and parcel of the zio-American empire's instruments of dominance. It is used by them as an object of neuro-linguistic programming.
The difference between Afghanistan and Iran is that before regime change in Afghanistan this has been done in the name of religion and creating wide spread disorder with God knows what other motives but later in that country they officially closed the schools which is now clear that it was based on whom benefit.

In Iran days after days it makes more clear what was the motive and who will gain more power from such acts.Iran's power structure won't allow such acts to continue due to complicity of our society and let me tell you something the ones that are behind this and the ones who plan such actions will be introduced to the public and that day may the God help these people.

Number of schools and location of schools in different parts of Iran tells another story that was not just some sort of moronic action and based of few people ideas about current social problems of Iran and their plans for solving such problems.

Another issue is your view on Iraq's WDM weapons with recent actions inside Iran.if you keep silence about such acts people behind such actions either will win (which is highly unlikely ) or get bolder and up their game then they will try different substances or target other locations with wider impacts.

Other one is same pattern of Saddam in Iraq-Iran war, he used chemical weapons in smaller scales at first inside Iraq in order to prevent Iranian small tactical victories then when he saw he can get away with using it he upped the game both on civilian targets and large scale military usage.
 
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The difference between Afghanistan and Iran is that before regime change in Afghanistan this has been done in the name of religion and creating wide spread disorder with God knows what other motives but later in that country they officially closed the schools which is now clear that it was based on whom benefit.

The point is that there exists no evidence for any sort of poisoning in Afghan schools. Not before and not after the return to power of the Taleban.

Not only that, but the United Nations of all organizations sent a team of experts to investigate the causes on the ground. They too failed to detect the kind of toxic substances which could explain the phenomenon.

Thus in all logic the conclusion is that collective psychosis is the most likely explanation, not sabotage. Especially since all the characteristics of said social-psychological affection have been present.

In Iran days after days it makes more clear what was the motive and who will gain more power from such acts.Iran's power structure won't allow such acts to continue due to complicity of our society and let me tell you something the ones that are behind this and the ones who plan such actions will be introduced to the public and that day may the God help these people.

Apparently you're taking it for granted that poisoning took place, even though:

1) There's no evidence to substantiate it. No relevant toxic agent found by medics after weeks, how is it possible if mass poisoning indeed occurred? Did purported attackers use a hitherto unknown substance so secretive that the country's most qualified specialists seem to be unable to identify it? Are the attackers this advanced technologically?

2) The fact that no culprits were ever seen by anyone nor caught on CCTV cameras makes the hypothesis of planned attacks highly unlikely. Can the attackers turn invisible at will?

3) Have you heard of the well documented phenomenon of collective psychosis, and the fact that the witnessed events at the girls' schools just so happen to be ticking all boxes? I kid you not, I myself was surprised to learn about this bizarre "contagious" psychosis. If you never read one of the research papers shared here on the subject, I'd truly recommend doing so.

Number of schools and location of schools in different parts of Iran tells another story that was not just some sort of moronic action and based of few people ideas about current social problems of Iran and their plans for solving such problems.

Actually what the known data point to, is textbook collective psychosis. It is very typical of it. Rather than various hypotheses of toxicological triggers introduced by some unidentified individuals, for which there's no concrete indication never mind evidence.

Another issue is your view on Iraq's WDM weapons with recent actions inside Iran.if you keep silence about such acts people behind such actions either will win (which is highly unlikely ) or get bolder and up their game then they will try different substances or target other locations with wider impacts.

What's your assertive conviction based on, that third parties were behind those acts? Who exactly are they supposed to be? How is it possible to formulate conjectures about their future plans if it's not even established that such people actually exist, let alone what their motivations and agenda would consist of.

By definition, one cannot be obfuscating something if there is no compelling reason to believe in the mere existence of that very thing in the first place. If it's proven that these were really attacks carried out by someone, then I will try and figure who and why etc.

Other one is same pattern of Saddam in Iraq-Iran war, he used chemical weapons in smaller scales at first inside Iraq in order to prevent Iranian small tactical victories then when he saw he can get away with using it he upped the game both on civilian targets and large scale military usage.

Again you're basing your statement on speculation about people having dropped toxic substances when everything seems to suggest otherwise (no credible reports of culprits having been sighted, no relevant toxic substances identified by scientists and investigators, all the typical symptoms of collective psychosis noticed etc).
 
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