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You see Iran has a significiantly large pro-democracy and pro-secularism elements within it's borders that outnumber the cleric supporters 10 to 1..

How exactly did you find this out? Keep in mind anecdotal experience can be misleading, especially in a case like Iran where propaganda and psy-ops narratives from abroad (by Iran's enemies) happen to be so dominant.

Regarding democracy, Iran is more democratic today than a secular liberal regime could ever hope to be.

Just look at the protests that lasted for months and these people didn't just appeared out of nowhere overnight because they have always been there.

In total these riots did not mobilize more than some 200.000 individuals or so over several months. All of whom were belonging to one restricted age group, namely citizens younger than 30 (and older than 14-15), which represents a truly dwindling minority of the Iranian population.

What's more, only 155 cities and towns of Iran out of a total of 2000 (or 2500, don't remember) saw riots. That would be a small fraction as well.

Another thing to note is that Iran has significiantly higher number of apostate and secret apostates within it's border more then any other place in the region.

There are studies which suggest otherwise. One research conducted some years ago put Saudi Arabia first in the region when it comes to the percentage of atheists.

Yet another study qualified Iranians as the single most religious people on earth never mind the region.

Technically when Iranians leave Iran the first thing they do is apostate I know many iranians in person in the west and all have apostated. Probably the only community that apostates at such high number in the west.

That's because those same individuals tend to be the very first ones to emigrate. Doesn't imply they're particularly representative of the Iranian population at large, on the contrary. There aren't more than 4 million Iranians abroad, for over 80 million back home.

The causality therefore runs in the opposite direction: it's not that Iran has particularly large numbers of apostates for you to have met some in the west; it's rather that members of this minority current are far more likely to turn their backs on the country, hence why one will come across increased amounts of them around here.

In my opinion eventually give it 20-25 years the secular element of Iran is bound to take over the country I don't see it being whole alot of bloodsheed because they are growing significiantly as we speak and they will eventually put enough pressure on the gov't to stand down and by the Gov't I mean the Ayatullah will stand down.

In the recent protests they almost pushed the Ayatullah to make concessions to them but in the coming decades the Cleric regime will make way for a new generation of youths who are libertists

I wouldn't be too sure about that.

Thing is, liberal and culturally westernized Iranians for all intents and purposes ceased giving birth to offspring. They tend to prefer keeping a cat or a dog at home or staying all alone rather than mustering the required courage to raise a child. Right now as we speak, the fertility rate of Iranians is lower than that of the French. Do you realize what this means in terms of generational replacement or rather, absence thereof? Soon there won't be many young people left in Iran, a vast majority of the population will be above 30 years of age.

More importantly: between liberal-minded and religious Iranians, guess who're the ones with the least offspring, comparatively speaking? That's right, liberals and secularists. One to two generations from now, the composition of what remains of Iranian youths will feature greater proportions of religious youngsters and fewer liberals than it does today.

A similar dynamic has been at play in Occupied Palestine among zionists by the way. Orthodox religious zionist have had much higher fertility rates, thence their relative proportion hasn't ceased progressing over the past couple of decades. "Liberals" of Tel Aviv and Haifa who've been protesting against Netanyahu in fact represent a shrinking demographic whose social and political significance will diminish considerably in a few decades. Here's hoping that the zionist regime will collapse earlier than that of course, but I'm merely highlighting the tendency.
 
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Interesting commentary here by the foreign policy advisor to Brazilian President Lula on the topic of US hegemony, China-Brazil relations and the move away from the USD in international trade (in particular in relation to unilateral US sanctions).

"It's very important that we are free from the dominance of one single currency. Also because sometimes it is used politically. For instance, if we want to have a transaction with a country that's under [US] unilateral sanctions, which are not approved by the United Nations, sometimes you cannot do that because they are transactions that, for instance, [involve] US dollars, we had problems like that in the past, for instance with Iran. We were not selling anything sensitive, it was poultry or meat, but we had problems in having the trade. So that's something we have to look at."

 
The point is that there exists no evidence for any sort of poisoning in Afghan schools. Not before and not after the return to power of the Taleban.

Not only that, but the United Nations of all organizations sent a team of experts to investigate the causes on the ground. They too failed to detect the kind of toxic substances which could explain the phenomenon.

Thus in all logic the conclusion is that collective psychosis is the most likely explanation, not sabotage. Especially since all the characteristics of said social-psychological affection have been present.
There is no school for girls in Afghanistan anymore other than religious ones. it's time to wake up
wake uppppp

Apparently you're taking it for granted that poisoning took place, even though:

1) There's no evidence to substantiate it. No relevant toxic agent found by medics after weeks, how is it possible if mass poisoning indeed occurred? Did purported attackers use a hitherto unknown substance so secretive that the country's most qualified specialists seem to be unable to identify it? Are the attackers this advanced technologically?

2) The fact that no culprits were ever seen by anyone nor caught on CCTV cameras makes the hypothesis of planned attacks highly unlikely. Can the attackers turn invisible at will?

3) Have you heard of the well documented phenomenon of collective psychosis, and the fact that the witnessed events at the girls' schools just so happen to be ticking all boxes? I kid you not, I myself was surprised to learn about this bizarre "contagious" psychosis. If you never read one of the research papers shared here on the subject, I'd truly recommend doing so.
classic salar :)


In his first comments on the mystery poisonings, Iran's Supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said those behind the poisoning should face "severe punishment".

He also said it's "a serious and unforgivable crime and there will be no amnesty for the perpetrators".
 
There is no school for girls in Afghanistan anymore other than religious ones. it's time to wake up
wake uppppp


classic salar :)


In his first comments on the mystery poisonings, Iran's Supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said those behind the poisoning should face "severe punishment".

He also said it's "a serious and unforgivable crime and there will be no amnesty for the perpetrators".
Yes Khamenei confirmed it by his statements. But both scenarios are bad for IR.

1. If it an inside job then the regime is more crazy than we thought.
2. If it is a ''plot'' by the enemies of the regime then it shows how utterly incompetent the state security establishment is that the enemies chemical attacked hundreds of schools and thousands of school girls throughout whole Iran.

Considering that Khamenei condemned these attacks then it is a direct confirmation from the nr.1 leader in IR.

First scenario is much more likely.

@IR supporters, which option is it? How are you going to spin this?
 
Yes Khamenei confirmed it by his statements. But both scenarios are bad for IR.

1. If it an inside job then the regime is more crazy than we thought.
2. If it is a ''plot'' by the enemies of the regime then it shows how utterly incompetent the state security establishment is that the enemies chemical attacked hundreds of schools and thousands of school girls throughout whole Iran.


First scenario is much more likely.
Iran is a very weird place when you think you have seen or heard it all in both good and bad things then next day you will see something dumber or more exciting.

more like option 1 but it's on the side of power politics.don't be amazed to see announcement of option 2.
 
وقتی فکر میکنی روزی که قمی کلا تقاضای لطیفه وار پرواز ممنوع در کردستان رو مطرح کرد یادمون رفته

وقتی فکر میکنی روزی که ویدئو های اشنویه میگذاشتی یادمون رفته

تا دهه ها یاد مذهبی ها و لا مذهبهایی مثل من خواهد ماند که فرق منگور با غیر منگور در مهاباد چیست


اتفاقات چند تا مدرسه هم باعث فراموشی اون نمیشه

اشنویه چه خبر؟
دلار چند؟
 
I am waiting for a real journalist to ask the exiled former Shah's son about his father's comments on the power and influence of Jews in the USA... I won't hold my breath :)

The former Shah was 1000x the patriot that his pathetic fat son is.

I don't mean to glorify or whitewash his rule, but compare this rhetoric to that of his West and Israel loving son:

 
I am waiting for a real journalist to ask the exiled former Shah's son about his father's comments on the power and influence of Jews in the USA... I won't hold my breath :)

The former Shah was 1000x the patriot that his pathetic fat son is.

I don't mean to glorify or whitewash his rule, but compare this rhetoric to that of his West and Israel loving son:


What's worse is that there are A LOT of delusional diaspora Iranians out in the wild who genuinely think, he will be Iran's new leader after the "mooolaaahs" fall. Or that he can help facilitate some sort of change in the country by god knows whatever mechanism.
 
When I say this is Islamic state not Islamic republic , some mercenaries attack me


 
When I say this is Islamic state not Islamic republic , some mercenaries attack me


در خانه اگر کس است، یک حرف بس است

اگر تا به حال شما تصمیم ناعاقلانه ای از طرف رهبری ایران مشاهده کردید،به ما هم بگید. درثانی این آقایی که همچین حرفی زده بیشتر جنبه نصیحتی داره برای مجلس نشین هایی که از انواع امتیازات استفاده می کنند. و فقط زمانی یاد مردم افتند که زمان انتخابات شده باشه. این جماعت باید مصلحتی که برای مردم بهترین و ماسب ترین باشه انتخاب کنند

شما از یاد بردید ایرانی که به ما رسیده از پهلوی و قاجار رسیده نه از حکومت صفوی. زمانی انقلاب شد که کشور تحت کنترل کشورهای خارجی بود و با یک اشاره آنها تکه ای از ایران جدا می شد. یارو به عنوان شاه ایران دستور کشف حجاب میداد. آن هم به دستور قدرت های خارجی. با یک دستور بحرین از ایران جدا شد

همچین کشوری اگر بخواد برگرده به دوران شکوهش نیازمند مقاومت حداکثری است. تا کاهش سلطه زورگوهای بین المللی که انرژی هسته ای رو برای ایران حرام می دانند چون زمانی حکومت ایران نوکرشان بوده و الان خواسته نوکر مردم خودش باشه

تصمیماتی که رهبری ایران اتخاذ می کنند بر اساس منافع ملی طولانی مدت، بقای ایران و بقای فرهنگ ایرانی است
 
Yes Khamenei confirmed it by his statements. But both scenarios are bad for IR.

1. If it an inside job then the regime is more crazy than we thought.
2. If it is a ''plot'' by the enemies of the regime then it shows how utterly incompetent the state security establishment is that the enemies chemical attacked hundreds of schools and thousands of school girls throughout whole Iran.

Considering that Khamenei condemned these attacks then it is a direct confirmation from the nr.1 leader in IR.

First scenario is much more likely.

@IR supporters, which option is it? How are you going to spin this?
For the love of God, Can any of these crazy conspiracy theorists give one, just one benefit IR would get from poisoning random schoolchildren
 
From the looks of this they`re not exactly rolling out the red carpet for Mr Pahlavi,now are they?
It seems a rather shabby way to treat someone with the initials HRH in his name,do you think that they`d do this for prince charles?;)
:rolleyes:
From the looks of this,I`d say its pretty clear that they view the clown prince as exactly that,a clown,and considering bibis other problems....,I suspect that he had little time to waste on this guy.
 

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