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BigMelatonin
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This is my suspicion, would be a massive wasted opportunity if they weren't trying to get their hands on a few examples to reverse engineer.
Considering the fact that Javelins have ended up on the dark net and Syria for a fraction of the price, I would honestly be surprised if Iran hasn't gotten its hands on a prototype by now. I mean Ukraine is the most corrupt country in Europe and after this war the poorest likely. Even before the war Ukraine had a massive issue with illegal arms trafficking. Imagine now, you have countless poor conscripts with nothing to lose and mouths to feed since their families have likely fled.
In terms of what weapons Iran and Russia are exchanging or trading, really only time can tell. It could even just be some electronic components, we don't know. One thing is for sure, we've been hearing for months now that Russia is running out of missiles, Russia is running out of soldiers, Russia is running out of tanks when in reality Ukrainians are now reportedly low on ammunition and even weeks ago were using WW1 era Maxim machine guns.
In terms of what weapons Iran and Russia are exchanging or trading, really only time can tell. It could even just be some electronic components, we don't know. One thing is for sure, we've been hearing for months now that Russia is running out of missiles, Russia is running out of soldiers, Russia is running out of tanks when in reality Ukrainians are now reportedly low on ammunition and even weeks ago were using WW1 era Maxim machine guns.
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Iranian media reports the death of two more IRGC personnel. One in aerospace program (BM) another in the space program.
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Unlikely anything given to Ukraine worthy of reverse engineering. These are stripped down systems and those that aren't Iran already has and better.
Wapo is 'Iranian Media'? Wut.
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Two IRGC Servicemen Martyred in Line of Duty - Society/Culture news - Tasnim News Agency
TEHRAN (Tasnim) – Two members of the Islamic Revolution Guards Corps (IRGC) Aerospace Force have been martyred in the course of duty.
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Thanks. While you’re at it and for the sake of completion I suggest also adding accident reports like this:Two IRGC Servicemen Martyred in Line of Duty - Society/Culture news - Tasnim News Agency
TEHRAN (Tasnim) – Two members of the Islamic Revolution Guards Corps (IRGC) Aerospace Force have been martyred in the course of duty.www.tasnimnews.com
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Remember Juan Guaido? The western media/ US state department selected and western recognized "president of venezuela"?
Furious venezuelan people who saw him coming to eat in a restaurant attack him and throw his *** out like trash
This clown is still the officially recognized as the "president of Venezuela" by virtually the entire western regimes (or "international community" as they like to call themselves)
Imagine seeing the puppet clown, who colloborated with CIA to impose crippling economic warfare on your country, and trying to coup his way into power by western forces in a restaurant? Hes lucky he got out alive. People should tear him apart by with their bare hands.
Furious venezuelan people who saw him coming to eat in a restaurant attack him and throw his *** out like trash
This clown is still the officially recognized as the "president of Venezuela" by virtually the entire western regimes (or "international community" as they like to call themselves)
Imagine seeing the puppet clown, who colloborated with CIA to impose crippling economic warfare on your country, and trying to coup his way into power by western forces in a restaurant? Hes lucky he got out alive. People should tear him apart by with their bare hands.
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Even with his heavy body guard presence he almost got lynched. He's lucky he made it out of there alive. He should be ashamed of himself driving a car like that in a country where people are literally starving because of the policies he supports.
Honestly I don't understand why the Venezuelans don't prosecute him for trying to overthrow the government not only through sanctions instigated by foreign regimes but also if you recall he signed a document and paid a million dollars to some American mercenaries who tried to land in Venezuela and kill Maduro. It was called the Bay of Piglets.
Anyways maybe taking this soft approach has paid off for Venezuela since the US seems to be interested in lifting their sanctions ? However the issue is that Venezuela simply doesn't have the capacity to put a dent in the global oil prices. Iran does but the Americans are so beholden to Israel they won't dare sign any sort of deal.
Honestly I don't understand why the Venezuelans don't prosecute him for trying to overthrow the government not only through sanctions instigated by foreign regimes but also if you recall he signed a document and paid a million dollars to some American mercenaries who tried to land in Venezuela and kill Maduro. It was called the Bay of Piglets.
Anyways maybe taking this soft approach has paid off for Venezuela since the US seems to be interested in lifting their sanctions ? However the issue is that Venezuela simply doesn't have the capacity to put a dent in the global oil prices. Iran does but the Americans are so beholden to Israel they won't dare sign any sort of deal.
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Correct. I would add however that in addition to what you rightly observed, we ought not neglect secularized or non-religious audiences and should endeavour to awaken them as well, since although in the minority, they are a reality that needs to be taken into account.
As you surely know, in the Iranian context there's this additional issue of a certain type of nationalism focused on pre-Islamic history, with a tendency to perceive religion through the "ethnic" prism and therefore to view Islam as a foreign-imposed element alien to and incompatible with Iran. Since the early 20th century, secularists have heavily invested Iranian nationalist discourse and instrumented it as a vehicle to dampen religious fervor on the individual level as well as to promote secularist ideology on the political stage.
There have been religious nationalist currents in Iranian history as well (so-called Melli-Mazhabiun), but they are actually Islamic for the most part, some of them even liberal and western-appeasing, such as Mehdi Bāzargan's Nehzate Āzādi party, which counted in its ranks figures such as Ebrahim Yazdi, and ended up being sidelined at the beginning of the Revolution due to its problematic positions on key topics.
Meaning that those Iranian nationalists who unfortunately turned their backs on Islam, seldom consist of truly practicing converts to Zoroastrianism (despite a very few exceptions) - true to their general non-religious outlook, to them Zoroastrianism is essentially a cultural-civilizational marker, not an animate religion supposed to shape personal and public life. They basically consider religion as entirely subordinate to the concept of nation. Which of course is a modern innovation without historic precedents including in pre-Islamic Iran.
The attitude of the latter current of nationalists (referred to as Bāstan-Garā in Iranian political terminology) towards Islam ranges from uninvolved acceptance on the grounds of a specific historic-cultural interpretation that depicts Shiaism in particular as a form of unauthentic Islam conceived locally by Iranians in conformity with their pre-Islamic traditions (which ironically echoes anti-Shia narratives typically encountered in the salafist camp), all the way to outright islamophobia including against Shiaism itself.
I cannot think of any equivalent to this in the Maghreb, except maybe for some expressions of Kabyle identitarianism (not all of course), which may have taken on a tinge of islamo-skepticism.
And then we have other groups in society, including completely apolitical ones, which for a variety of reasons attach less importance to their religion. This is in addition to adherents of secularist political movements other than modern nationalism, such as those on the left - socialists, communists etc.
Now, our discourse should be broad enough to appeal to various segments of society to whom religion does not play that much of a role. Even though they're a minority, perhaps a bit more so in Tunisia, their proportion is large enough to make it necessary for us to inform them, lest we let the enemy recruit and mobilize them for its sinister aims.
Politics is a complex and multi-faceted domain of activity, and we have to act accordingly without betraying our beliefs. There is an interesting saying attributed to the Prophet's (s) grandson, seyyed osh-shohada Imam Hossein (a), addressing the army sent to suppress him at Karbala: "If you have no religion, at least be a free man".
By which the Imam meant that every society, whether religious or non-religious, has certain praiseworthy ethical foundations; likewise, some non-religious regulations happen to mirror religious laws and are common to all nations. Arabs despite numerous errancies still had some commendable rules in pre-Islamic times, such as the prohibition to attack women and children during war. It is these principles that those who do not believe in God and his religion should at least try and observe.
See: https://www.karbobala.com/articles/info/1326
We could refer to this set of rules as natural law. Whoever accepts natural law, whether religious or not, whether pious or even atheist, will be sensitive to these elementary principles necessary to keep society in good working order and to ensure basic decency. Of course we will prefer to see them embrace religion again. But in the meantime, they still qualify as objective allies to us. Hence they should be invited to join us in our struggle against the common foe, which is viciously striving is to destroy the very foundations of natural law through methodical inversion, and thereby to uproot and enslave us all.
In short, it is not just Muslims (and other religious people) who should seriously feel concerned about the imperial mostakber oligarchy's promotion of homosexualism, its pernicious sexualization of children, and many other such deviancies.
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Question is whether multiple flights of the Il-76 heavy cargo aircraft are needed to supply Russia with a few examples of UAV's? This also applies to the hypothesis that Iran's taking delivery of captured ATGM launchers such as the Javelin or NLAW.
And if Russia purchased whole batches of Iranian UAV's for the purpose of deploying them in the framework of its current military campaign in Ukraine, why haven't they been sighted?
Thus I think more plausible explanations may include the following:
* The freight does not consist of weapons.
* Perhaps they were carrying certain raw materials used in weapons production.
* Or perhaps ammunition.
Russia has a large production capability for both the above, but with the value of the ruble at record highs and the rial having fallen as of late, Moscow could stock up for cheap some types of ordinance also mass-produced by Iran.
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