Iranian Chill Thread

[Hack-Hook]

No, Cambridge Dictionary has full authority on defining what treason means in the English language, which is the language in which I referenced the term.

it don't have authority on calling anybody traitor only law of the country have that

In that case come out and declare in unmistakable terms that being on the payroll of hostile foreign regimes is an act of treason. Cease the deflection and wordplay.

until its stated in law , its not . if you use that money against the country that is treason , but then it don't matter from where the money came.
in short being on payroll not treason , using any money you posses against the country is treason no matter from where it came .
that is how it defined in our law and i don't care about Cambridge dictionary , maybe its an authority in England, it's not here.

As I said, if either one of us is a false flagger it'll be you.

So its you then

So what? Performing compulsory military service does not necessarily imply loyalty to the motherland.

the problem is from all the ones who were assigned there I was the only one who presented itself there, while easily could not go there as many others did . and more importantly it gave me a better perspective on the situation in those areas than the others who never left cities like Shiraz , Tehran , Isfahan and Mashhad , outside my childhood and when i studied at university i spent all my life in the areas in Iran where they are less developed than certain citiesso i understand the situation there a lot better than many here

My inference is based on your words and on your words alone. They do not square with pretense of patriotism.

and my words again were in law getting money from foreign entities is considered treason

Look, two can play this game. I don't like sinking to that cheap gutter level but since you spewed yet another lie about me, I will say that if I "supported the Taleban" then you promote the MKO.

and every one here knew what i think of MKO , a degenerate Communist Islamist wannabe cult of miss-leaded and ignorant member and fraudulent and opportunist fake leaders and you are here claiming i support them , that's a new level of nonsense from you .
can you show a single post i supported them

Projection

looking at your post , the level of let say at best fanatical support from a certain party and don't see this

تورم فروردین به 70 درصد رسید/ تورم رکورد 30 ساله را شکست!

اگرچه بانک مرکزی مدتی است نرخ تورم را اعلام نمی‌کند، اما یک منبع مطلع نرخ تورم فروردین ماه را 68.7 درصد اعلام کرده. نرخی که تنها یک قدم تا تورم 70 درصدی فاصله دارد و بیشترین نرخ تورم در 30 سال اخیر است.

tejaratnews.com

تورم فروردین در قله 70 درصدی! + جزئیات

شاخص منتشرشده از سوی بانک مرکزی از تأیید آمارهای مورد اشاره حکایت دارد؛ ارقامی که نشان از کانال 5 درصدی تورم ماهانه دارد و از حیث نقطه‌ای نیز در دامنه 68 درصدی قرار گرفته است.

www.eghtesadnews.com

and talk left and right of a certain group economical achievement
i can only categorize you as being on payroll to say those things or being a fanatic

no just 6 month , before that 3 years as student , 7 month health ministry sitting on its *** to ratify our degree and assign us to the hospitals we supposed to go and before that i was not that active here and you were not here then wonder from were you get the notion that i was making so many posts then

 

[SalarHaqq]

It's quite noteworthy that some will seemingly be willing to take at face value whatever claims the Taleban make about casualties among their ranks, while others if not the same users will be dismissing Iranian official statements as "lies".

As if the Taleban regime was remotely as transparent as the Islamic Republic of Iran. As if their declarations or those peddled by anti-Iranian mainstream media were trustworthy.

 

[TheImmortal]

And?

Do you think such is possible with the Iran-Afghan border? Just think alittle logically here, they removed thier weapons because both sides had a commitment to peace. What is this comparison even?

That was after 20 Indian soldiers died 76 were injured and several Chinese soldiers died.

We are not dealing with Indian border guards, their is no dialogue or commitment to security. We are dealing with bands of miscreants, with no ROE & warlords rule.

You forget Iran was dealing with same Taliban since the 80’s and those were backed by Al-Queda. And even at the time they had rouge elements that caused both sides nearly to go to war.

What are you talking about lol?

Does it look like Mexican Cartels are doing raids into the USA to kill their border patrol?

They are transporting fentanyl that is the #1 killer among the youth in the USA (~70K deaths in 2021) and causing a massive opioid crisis that drains billions of dollars from the US government per year.

Why would they need to conduct border attacks? US clients are their biggest customers. They kill them with drugs.

My point was the US with all its weapons, tech, an electrified wall, and massive border patrol can not stop incursions by illegals wether peaceful or drug runners. How many terror cells do you think also come in per month on top all those innocent migrants?

In reality, US would deploy some professional troops..if anything may even do airstrikes if their border patrol agents were attacked.

In reality, I live here and the only “professional” troops are 10-20K national guard that came due to the recent expiration of a trump law that allowed border patrol to deport people using COVID as an excuse. National guard are everyone that didn’t want to ever go to war. Lightly trained and mostly used in crowd control and disaster relief.

Airstrikes if their border patrol get attacked? Come on man.

 

[Hack-Hook]

I can tell you it’s very easy to get across US border, I hear stories all the time. Mexican border is much more tame than the Iranian border.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1662595566528806914

@Hack-Hook here you go.

fake photo from 2022 taliban fight in Panjshir and Andarab
the guys in Nezami-news take that photo from this tweet

https://twitter.com/x/status/1523729891304230914

add their signature on it end then the retarded fool hoped no one will be wiser
another attempt to hide the lack of back bone in a certain government .
didn't expect you fall for such tricks

so still 2 iranian soldiers and one Taliban terrorist

 

[Stryker1982]

That was after 20 Indian soldiers died 76 were injured and several Chinese soldiers died.


You forget Iran was dealing with same Taliban since the 80’s and those were backed by Al-Queda. And even at the time they had rouge elements that caused both sides nearly to go to war.



They are transporting fentanyl that is the #1 killer among the youth in the USA (~70K deaths in 2021) and causing a massive opioid crisis that drains billions of dollars from the US government per year.

Why would they need to conduct border attacks? US clients are their biggest customers. They kill them with drugs.

My point was the US with all its weapons, tech, an electrified wall, and massive border patrol can not stop incursions by illegals wether peaceful or drug runners. How many terror cells do you think also come in per month on top all those innocent migrants?



In reality, I live here and the only “professional” troops are 10-20K national guard that came due to the recent expiration of a trump law that allowed border patrol to deport people using COVID as an excuse. National guard are everyone that didn’t want to ever go to war. Lightly trained and mostly used in crowd control and disaster relief.

Airstrikes if their border patrol get attacked? Come on man.

Taliban are not a nation state and never were. You are not going to get any agreement to lay down arms like China and India. Forget about this nonsense example.

Why are you talking about drug running? Drug running interdiction is the job of border patrol. When the Cartels bring HMMVs with 50 cal machine guns to unload into our border outposts, then I will concede. Otherwise, you are basically a fool, and as incompetent as the people who are currently in charge of the border, leading cannon fodder to their deaths.

If Cartels were bringing heavy cal machine guns to the border and have raided outposts, I'm sure the US would have zero reaction and evaluation of border security right? You are complete moron if you think US would never consider airstrikes if Cartels were raiding US border points frequently

 

[SalarHaqq]

it don't have authority on calling anybody traitor only law of the country have that

It has authority over defining the term. The definition's not any different in Persian.

And legislation has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

until its stated in law , its not .

Yes it absolutely is. For treason happens to be a political concept before anything else. Your attempt at twisting this occurrence is destined to fall flat.

if you use that money against the country that is treason , but then it don't matter from where the money came.

Working for hostile foreign entities is treason, as per that term's definition. Anyone questioning this is either in denial or has an agenda or both.

You have consistently been suggesting it's in order to accept funding from the USA, the EU and the zionists for political activism against the Iranian government.

in short being on payroll not treason , using any money you posses against the country is treason no matter from where it came .
that is how it defined in our law and i don't care about Cambridge dictionary , maybe its an authority in England, it's not here.

The definition is identical in the Persian language, and any instance in which an individual or organization receives funding from hostile external powers is tantamount to treason.

The quoted pseudo-legal gibberish is of no consequence to this fact.

So its you then

As usual the amateurishness of your propaganda is compounded by reading comprehension issues.

the problem is from all the ones who were assigned there I was the only one who presented itself there, while easily could not go there as many others did . and more importantly it gave me a better perspective on the situation in those areas than the others who never left cities like Shiraz , Tehran , Isfahan and Mashhad , outside my childhood and when i studied at university i spent all my life in the areas in Iran where they are less developed than certain citiesso i understand the situation there a lot better than many here

None of the above offers a guarantee that later on one will proceed to properly denouncing those who engage in treason as per the word's common definition.

and my words again were in law getting money from foreign entities is considered treason

You systematically refused to acknowledge that being on the payroll of foreign enemies is treason, including when asked directly by user jauk. Instead, you have kept bringing up some unrelated consideration as a rhetoric device to try and shed doubt on it.

and every one here knew what i think of MKO , a degenerate Communist Islamist wannabe cult of miss-leaded and ignorant member and fraudulent and opportunist fake leaders and you are here claiming i support them , that's a new level of nonsense from you .
can you show a single post i supported them

"Everyone knows" is a routine fallacy referred to as argumentum ad populum.

Dare to dish out baseless ad hominem and you will be responded to in kind.

looking at your post , the level of let say at best fanatical support from a certain party and don't see this

تورم فروردین به 70 درصد رسید/ تورم رکورد 30 ساله را شکست!

اگرچه بانک مرکزی مدتی است نرخ تورم را اعلام نمی‌کند، اما یک منبع مطلع نرخ تورم فروردین ماه را 68.7 درصد اعلام کرده. نرخی که تنها یک قدم تا تورم 70 درصدی فاصله دارد و بیشترین نرخ تورم در 30 سال اخیر است.

tejaratnews.com

تورم فروردین در قله 70 درصدی! + جزئیات

شاخص منتشرشده از سوی بانک مرکزی از تأیید آمارهای مورد اشاره حکایت دارد؛ ارقامی که نشان از کانال 5 درصدی تورم ماهانه دارد و از حیث نقطه‌ای نیز در دامنه 68 درصدی قرار گرفته است.

www.eghtesadnews.com

and talk left and right of a certain group economical achievement
i can only categorize you as being on payroll to say those things or being a fanatic

Inoperative deductions and fallacy.

no just 6 month , before that 3 years as student , 7 month health ministry sitting on its *** to ratify our degree and assign us to the hospitals we supposed to go and before that i was not that active here and you were not here then wonder from were you get the notion that i was making so many posts then

An active hospitalist does not normally have this much time on their hands. One doesn't need to be an expert to note the incongruity. Your claim's illogical and this is all too perceptible.

 

[TheImmortal]

another attempt to hide the lack of back bone in a certain government .
didn't expect you fall for such tricks

Fair point on the picture. I won’t dispute that.

But do you expect Taliban to be carrying iPhones and have Twitter accounts in the border area. Or parade their losses on the internet? Al-Jazerra doesn’t have correspondence on the ground at the border area.

The claim of 13 dead has been cited during of fog of war. Media is rarely right in covering conflicts especially in a desolate area where both sides control the narrative.

Taliban are not a nation state and never were. You are not going to get any agreement to lay down arms like China and India. Forget about this nonsense example.

Bro what are you going on about. Do you even know how to have an arguement. You are jumping like a Mexican bean all over the place.

Let me refresh your memory.

You said this:

I don't recall Indian troops doing raids into Chinese border troops. No shit, most countries do not have border clashes/raids, and if they did, the valuable troops would be deployed to the area.

I proved you wrong that in 2020 Indian troops were the aggressors and caused a big border skirmish. Since both sides troops violated ROE due to unprofessionalism the command removed their weapons. They still later got into a fist fight. And again in 2022. That was it. Literally showed you border clashes happen everywhere there is two sides that don’t get along perfectly.

Then you go on saying we can’t have such an agreement with the Taliban…..like what? who was even talking about THAT? Your reading comprehension failed there.

Why are you talking about drug running? Drug running interdiction is the job of border patrol. When the Cartels bring HMMVs with 50 cal machine guns to unload into our border outposts, then I will concede.

I literally said this:

My point was the US with all its weapons, tech, an electrified wall, and massive border patrol can not stop incursions by illegals wether peaceful or drug runners. How many terror cells do you think also come in per month on top all those innocent migrants?

You are mad that some Taliban were able to roll up to a border post in the middle of freaking no where and that F-5’s didn’t magically show up to bomb them.

You act like they rolled up to Parchin and parked outside.

Otherwise, you are basically a fool, and as incompetent as the people who are currently in charge of the border, leading cannon fodder to their deaths.

I was the first person to tell you guys this would end badly in 2021.

I was the person complaining that Iraqi PMUs have Iranian MRAPs while Iranian border patrol have no body armour and drive around in 1960’s era MASH jeeps.

Now 2 border patrol guys die out of thousands and tens of thousands since 80’s and suddenly you have selective outrage about the government?

Go ahead and launch a few mojaher drones and kill some Taliban. I’m guessing that won’t fix the problem but at least you get to stroke your egos on this online forum.

Sanctions and closure of the border is much more economically gonna get the job done that blowing up a few humvees. If my solution STILL doesn’t solve it, blow up the dam.

If Cartels were bringing heavy cal machine guns to the border and have raided outposts, I'm sure the US would have zero reaction and evaluation of border security right? You are complete moron if you think US would never consider airstrikes if Cartels were raiding US border points frequently

You completely missed the point, clearly the only moron is here since you have the reading comprehension of child with autism.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Yes it absolutely is. For treason is first and foremost a political concept before anything else. Your attempt at twisting this fact will fall flat, as a matter of fact nobody will subscribe to it.


Working for hostile foreign entities is treason, as per that term's definition. Anyone questioning this is in denial or has an agenda.


The definition is identical in the Persian language, and any instance in which an individual or organization receives funding from hostile external powers is tantamount to treason.

The quoted pseudo-legal gibberish is of no consequence to this fact.

that Pseudo-legal gibberish is the thin line between justice and injustice it's the reason there is independent legal system .
that is the line between a failed state and feasible thriving nation.

that being on the payroll of foreign enemies is treason

as i said it all come on to what purpose you are on payroll and what use you have for the money .
that's the what you call pseudo -legal gibberish that govern our country

"Everyone knows" is a common fallacy known as argumentum ad populum.

Dish out baseless ad hominem and cope when responded to in kind.Inoperative deductions and fallacy.

Inoperative deductions and fallacy.

denying realities and trying to change simple hard facts

An active hospitalist does not normally have this much time on their hands. One doesn't need to be an expert to note the incongruity. Your claim's illogical and this is readily perceptible.

if you say so , i make sure i have time for my intrest and you most cope with it till next sunday i am off and have no shift . after that you can have your time as i only have 1-2 hour a day to answer your usuall wall of nonsense

 

[SalarHaqq]

that Pseudo-legal gibberish is the thin line between justice and injustice it's the reason there is independent legal system .

It's off-topic.

that is the line between a failed state and feasible thriving nation.

Nothing to do with the point at hand.

as i said it all come on to what purpose you are on payroll and what use you have for the money .
that's the what you call pseudo -legal gibberish that govern our country

This is the definition of treason, its Persian version being identical:

Bottom line, any person or organization accepting funding from a hostile foreign entity for work against their own government, is characteristically treasonous in nature.

Iranians engaging in activity against the Islamic Republic while being funded by the regimes of the USA, EU or Isra"el" are therefore traitors.

Denial of the above implies either cognitive impairment or attempted legitimization of treason.

denying realities and trying to change simple hard facts

Spot on description of what you've been disingenuously proceeding with all along, not stopping short of concocting shaky excuses for treason no less.

if you say so , i make sure i have time for my intrest and you most cope with it till next sunday i am off and have no shift . after that you can have your time as i only have 1-2 hour a day to answer your usuall wall of nonsense

Hollow pretexts won't fool reasonable people.

 

[Hack-Hook]

It's off-topic.

this is chill thread there is no off topic here and this is the gist of the discussion

Nothing to do with the point at hand.

this fine line is the spirit of the discussion here

This is the definition of treason, its Persian version being identical:

no where it state getting money , it actually affirm my stand on this matter

Spot on description of what you've been disingenuously trying all along, not stopping short of seeking to concoct shaky excuses for treason no less.

your work not mine

Hollow pretexts won't fool reasonable people.

and i don't care about non believer who never saw how Iranian hospitals work.
i didn't go for private practice or work at a second hospitals , i really didn't care about the money so i have the extra time .
end of it

 

[Stryker1982]

I proved you wrong that in 2020 Indian troops were the aggressors and caused a big border skirmish. Since both sides troops violated ROE due to unprofessionalism the command removed their weapons. They still later got into a fist fight. That was it. Literally showed you border clashes happen everywhere there is two sides that don’t get along perfectly.

Then you go on saying we can’t have such an agreement with the Taliban…..like what who was even talking about? Your reading comprehension failed there.

What is the purpose of this example? Show me the feasibility of getting this successful result with the so called "Chain of command" of the Taliban, you yourself said Taliban are not a monolith. What solutions are available then other than strengthening the border. Why is the IRGC building a small airbase near the PAK border if they thought they can reach a diplomatic solution with PAK on their border issues. The same must be implemented near tense points near the Afghan border since this situation is even worse.

You are mad that some Taliban were able to roll up to a border post in the middle of freaking no where and that F-5’s didn’t magically show up to bomb them.

You act like they rolled up to Parchin and parked outside.

You know, if you put some thought together instead of just twiddling your thumbs and doing nothing, you might consider a small airbase near the border since this issue is not getting resolved anytime soon. Alittle bit of pre-emptive preparation to react to crises would be useful

I was the first person to tell you guys this would end badly in 2021.

I was the person complaining that Iraqi PMUs have Iranian MRAPs while Iranian border patrol have no body armour and drive around in 1960’s era MASH jeeps.

I am aware indeed, so have I

Now 2 border patrol guys die out of thousands and tens of thousands since 80’s and suddenly you have selective outrage about the government?

Go ahead and launch a few mojaher drones and kill some Taliban. I’m guessing that won’t fix the problem but at least you get to stroke your egos on this online forum.

Lol, you think. I come here for Ego? Are you blind or have you not seen the state of the Iranian ground forces. What can I see that would generate an ego.

If you read anything HackHook as said you would see how poorly trained (if barely) border conscripts are. So incompetent, lacking discipline and routine inspections, so much so, that they cannot even operate machine guns properly. This is a failure at the command level. Iran has appeared so weak lately, these clashes have and will not stop, and it does take military prowess to push consequences on the attacker. Nothing to do with ego, and everything to do with creating costs for the opponent.

Sanctions and closure of the border is much more economically gonna get the job done that blowing up a few humvees. If that doesn’t STILL solve it blow up the damn.

Our generally weakness means sanctioning Afghanistan is a double edged sword. Hard to tell if they will do it, Iran needs US dollars from there, iran sells fuel there. We can cut them off, but we also hurt ourselves. This is only part in parcel due to general weakness. Ideally, we should not depend on anything from them at all, but sadly we are due to the poor diplomatic and economic situation in Iran. Part of why many have become emboldened.

 

[SalarHaqq]

so still 2 iranian soldiers and one Taliban terrorist

As if the Taleban of all people will be open about their casualties as compared to Iran. As if Afghanistan had half the media landscape and verification mechanisms existing in Iran.

Pure pro-Taleban bias playing into their propaganda while demeaning Iran.

this is chill thread there is no off topic here and this is the gist of the discussion

Completely off-topic since blatantly missing the point at hand.

this fine line is the spirit of the discussion here

No it's not. The thread of a discussion is defined by the initial comment, posted in this case by me.

no where it state getting money , it actually affirm my stand on this matter

Being on the payroll of a state entity is equivalent to placing oneself at its service, in other terms aiding it in its policy goal as specified in the definition.

your work not mine

A person who tries to propagate the fallacy according to which work for an external foe doesn't represent treason, will automatically fit the bill.

and i don't care about non believer who never saw how Iranian hospitals work.
i didn't go for private practice or work at a second hospitals , i really didn't care about the money so i have the extra time .
end of it

More lame storytelling, and still no realism to be detected. With every renewed retort along the same lines, your rhetoric edifice is crumbling further.

 

[TheImmortal]

What is the purpose of this example?

Bro are you retarded? I mean that seriously. I have explained this to you 3 times.

I said all countries get into border disputes including nuclear powers (Pakistan, India, China).

You literally said this:

I don't recall Indian troops doing raids into Chinese border troops. No shit, most countries do not have border clashes/raids, and if they did, the valuable troops would be deployed to the area.

I then literally showed you India-China have had multiple border clashes since 2020. Then you ask me why I brought them up. Like wtf.

If you still don’t understand, then you might be missing a chromosome.

Show me the feasibility of getting this successful result with the so called "Chain of command" of the Taliban, you yourself said Taliban are not a monolith.

It’s literally what Iran has done since the 80’s against Taliban. Its diplomatic and economic pressure.

Kinetic does not work. Go ask Pakistan. It’s working fantastic over there lol

What solutions are available then other than strengthening the border.

Go look at that border. And tell me how you going to strength the entire border that runs through mountains with the shoe string budget of Iran.

US can’t secure the Mexican border with 10K border patrol, all the tech in the world, electrified fence, helicopters and drones flying overhead. But you expect Iran to be able to do a longer more treacherous border? That was my point on the US border comment that flew over your head and we got into an off topic debate on drug cartels.

Why is the IRGC building a small airbase near the PAK border if they thought they can reach a diplomatic solution with PAK on their border issues.

Because PAK is poor and cannot police an entire rural border. There is Baluchi terrorist moving into Iran. There is no Taliban moving into Iran to hide and conduct attacks or create a separate state. Border clashes =/= invasion.

You don’t understand how terrible the border is. If you move 50K TROOPS there you have to build many bases along the entire 400KM or whatever the hell it is. That’s more than one base you would need 20+ every X miles. Then you have to solve the logistics of moving food, water, and supplies to all these bases in the middle of no where. It’s not like the border is right next to Tehran or Isfahan. It’s literally no where. No fing where.

The same must be implemented near tense points near the Afghan border since this situation is even worse.

Pakistan is way worse since there is separatists that hide in these rural areas and are actively trying to overthrow the regional municipality government.

You know, if you put some thought together instead of just twiddling your thumbs and doing nothing, you might consider a small airbase near the border since this issue is not getting resolved anytime soon. Alittle bit of pre-emptive preparation to react to crises would be useful

Yes an airbase will stop the Taliban from attacking a border post every once in a while during a land/water dispute. Lol come on, Taliban took casualties in the hundreds per day against US and didn’t flinch.

Lol, you think. I come here for Ego? Are you blind or have you not seen the state of the Iranian ground forces. What can I see that would generate an ego.

You are asking for a kinetic outcome that won’t give you the solution you seek.

If you read anything HackHook as said you would see how poorly trained (if barely) border conscripts are.

That’s what the flaws of a conscript is. You expect Iran to train literally the bottom of the barrel of conscripts (according to Hack-Hook literally the worst of the worst get sent to the border) for 6-9 months when their service is 18 months?

Build a contract force border patrol if you want capable people. You are gonna have to pay them tho. No soldier worth his salt in fighting is gonna sit around in the middle of no where to protect dirt and not get paid when he can go to Syria and make 3K-4K a month (or more).

Our generally weakness means sanctioning Afghanistan is a double edged sword. Hard to tell if they will do it, Iran needs US dollars from there, iran sells fuel there. We can cut them off, but we also hurt ourselves. This is only part and parcel due to general weakness. Ideally, we should not depend on anything from them at all, but sadly we are due to the poor diplomatic and economic situation in Iran. Part of why many have become emboldened.

My logic is this: If you start massacring a bunch of a Taliban. You will only force the government in Kabul to have to harden its stance and remove any face saving exit.

Imagine the role was reversed and some Iranian border troops got mad and rolled on to a Taliban checkpoint and killed a few Taliban over a land dispute because Taliban said oh that Iranian dam you need to give us water too.

Then in return Taliban came and killed 50 Iranian border patrol men as revenge. Do you think at that point Iran would go “oh I’m so sorry here you go have some water”?

In military talk this is called escalation ladder and the 2nd and 3rd order consequences of your actions. You end up killing pathways to a solution by increasing the escalation (going up the ladder).

On the other hand, if you close all trade and the border for 4 weeks. The economic pain that will come from that would be worth 100’s of worthless Taliban deaths and will likely get the government to punish those at the border for breaking ROE. Taliban need a steady supply of gasoline from Iran, that is a fact. Pakistan is energy poor. Iranian Smugglers don’t bring enough across the border to satisfy the entire energy needs of Taliban + people of Afghanistan.

Think smart. Not dumb.

If I thought kinetic was a solution, I’d be an advocate. But other than my own ego of seeing some baboons blown sky high, I would know that it wouldn’t change anything nor solve the water dispute.

 

[Dariush the Great]

People out of touch like @TheImmortal think IR is a healthy and normal government acting in the best interests of Iran only disregarding money, ideology etc.

You have him claiming that ''economic sanctions'' will work against the Taliban. What economic sanctions when you have the sepahis responsible for all the ''traffic'' on the Afgh/Pak border?

People here are so illiterate on Iranian internal affairs. Mindboggling.

Only solution to this is creating a bufferzone inside Afghanistan and take control over the dam and strike any Talib ape approaching. Millions of refugees can also be sent to the bufferzone inside Afghanistan so there will be less strain on the Iranian economy.

That is what a real government would have done. IR is just busy with stealing and raping the Iranian people... regime's fist is only for the poor Iranian people protesting on the streets.

 

[Stryker1982]

I then literally showed you India-China have had multiple border clashes since 2020. Then you ask me why I brought them up. Like wtf.

If you still don’t understand, then you might be missing a chromosome.

If you want to throw insults we can go at it all day.

You are trying to equate Iran-Taliban with India-China border clashes. A band of tribes with no chain of command with these disciplined states.

I said, countries barely have border clashes, and without a doubt for the most part this is true out of the 100+ countries, how many have routine clashes and death? Practically all countries work to resolve those issues aside from a few.

Our problem is unlike China-India, We cannot have any meaningful dialogue with bandits. If this happened with Iran-Azerbijian, it is possible to use certain soft power levers and means to resolve these issues, but this is really a pipe dream for the emirate that will likely end up struggling to govern the country let alone the armed groups within it.

It’s literally what Iran has done since the 80’s against Taliban. Its diplomatic and economic pressure.

Kinetic does not work. Go ask Pakistan. It’s working fantastic over there lol

Last 20 years Taliban were hiding in bushes, and before 2001 they routinely killed Iranians, farmers and diplomats. We almost went to war with them. If anything Iranian GF were much stronger in 1998. What powerful diplomatic and economic arms do we have? We don't.

Go look at that border. And tell me how you going to strength the entire border that runs through mountains with the shoe string budget of Iran.

US can’t secure the Mexican border with 10K border patrol, all the tech in the world, electrified fence, helicopters and drones flying overhead. But you expect Iran to be able to do a longer more treacherous border? That was my point on the US border comment that flew over your head and we got into an off topic debate on drug cartels.

Who said anything about the entire border? Their little than can be done for the whole border. If 4 terrorists wants to walk into they country, they probably can literally walk. But the Taliban bandits should not be taking positions 10 meters away from a border fort with ease (which was seen in one of the videos)

Because PAK is poor and cannot police an entire rural border. There is Baluchi terrorist moving into Iran. There is no Taliban moving into Iran to hide and conduct attacks or create a separate state. Border clashes =/= invasion.

For now. I know, that you know in the long term our relations with the Taliban will continue to get worse, and other countries will in fact make it a point to help them against us.

Yes an airbase will stop the Taliban from attacking a border post every once in a while during a land/water dispute. Lol come on, Taliban took casualties in the hundreds per day against US and didn’t flinch.

We are not trying to invade Afghanistan, it is about offering timely support to our border units.

That’s what the flaws of a conscript is. You expect Iran to train literally the bottom of the barrel of conscripts (according to Hack-Hook literally the worst of the worst get sent to the border) for 6-9 months when their service is 18 months?

Build a contract force border patrol if you want capable people. You are gonna have to pay them tho. No soldier worth his salt in fighting is gonna sit around in the middle of no where to protect dirt and not get paid when he can go to Syria and make 3K-4K a month (or more).

Buddy, a conscript that cannot even operate their machine gun is not a conscript he is basically a civilian. At bare minimum a conscript is trained on how to use their weapons. Literally bare minimum of the job.

if Iran is not even training a conscript on how to fire a rifle or a machine gun (or how to clean and maintain them), then this situation is worse than I thought. In that case they are basically cannon fodder as described.

My logic is this: If you start massacring a bunch of a Taliban. You will only force the government in Kabul to have to harden its stance and remove any face saving exit.

Imagine the role was reversed and some Iranian border troops got mad and rolled on to a Taliban checkpoint and killed a few Taliban over a land dispute because Taliban said oh that Iranian dam you need to give us water too.

Then in return Taliban came and killed 50 Iranian border patrol men as revenge. Do you think at that point Iran would go “oh I’m so sorry here you go have some water”?

On the other hand, if you close all trade and the border for 4 weeks. The economic pain that will come from that would be worth 100’s of worthless Taliban deaths and will likely get the government to punish those at the border for breaking ROE. Taliban need a steady supply of gasoline from Iran, that is a fact. Pakistan is energy poor. Iranian Smugglers don’t bring enough across the border to satisfy the entire energy needs of Taliban + people of Afghanistan.

Personally, they don't give a damn about governance, and would prefer not to be cursed with it. I am willing to bet they would weather any type of fuel embargo we enact on them. They don't feel any obligation towards their civilians or any desire to govern the country into growth.

Ultimately, thats what my logic stems from, can't treat them like any other border nation. What we think is rational may not occur to them.