Muhammed45
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Hence a self hating character.
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SalarHaqq
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Plus tout à fait. Let me explain.
In the 1970's, after the Citroën factory was dismantled in western Paris, members of the Iranian bourgeoisie invested in the buildings erected in its place. Some bought property along the Côte d'Azur, and a couple of them in Evian-les-Bains. After the Islamic Revolution, individuals pertaining for the most part to this monarchist bourgeoisie settled in the 15th district of Paris on a permanent basis. At that time they were making up the lion's share of Iranians in France (not dissimilar to Iranians of Kensington in London), to be joined a couple of years later by MKO cultists.
Nowadays however the picture is different, since other waves of immigrants arrived over time. About half or slightly more are residing in Ile-de-France, the rest are living in other parts of the country. For instance in Lyon, there are three Iranian restaurants, in Strasbourg there's one, in Nice there are four etc. You will even find a couple of these in a token number of small localities. But in terms of professions, the people running these restaurants never made up more than an infinitesimal portion of the overall Iranian community.
The district you're pointing to should concentrate about 40%-50% of local Iranians within the Paris municipality (not counting any of the suburbs). However Iranians reside elsewhere as well, such as in the 13th district (Place d'It, Chinatown and surroundings, you may come across the odd Iranian at the KFC on a Saturday afternoon), in the 16th, in the 20th (Gambetta), in the 10th, in Créteil, even in Seine Saint-Denis (where there's actually one Iranian chelo-kababi, another is located in the 95 at Roissy CDG airport town Aéroville) and so on. Not to mention MKO members in Cergy-Pontoise, if they didn't leave for Albania that is.
Total number of Iranians in France should stand at between 40.000 and 60.000 (grand max). Perhaps 20.000 to 30.000 in Ile-de-France, roughly 15.000 to 20.000 intra muros. Which would square well with the UK's approximately 85.000 (of which some 45.000 are staying in London).
True. Although as said, among Iranians living abroad there are those who remain loyal to the Islamic Republic as well. You just don't hear them much, don't see them often. America's and Europe's millions, and the visibility they bring, go to oppositionists only. Faut pas s'fier complètement aux apparences.
These aren't mutually exclusive. Borders ought to be surveilled yes, but so should the law be upheld domestically.
Wha's more, these CCTV cameras will come in handy for identifying criminals including terrorists. So they'll be useful for a range of issues, not just for the dress code. And it's not as if they were being installed now specially to regulate hejab, they'll make use of existing cameras.
As concerns the latter, it's not really a waste of resources. See, what's happening right now is that authorities seem to be moving away from the traditional model which consisted in enforcing the dress code through police patrols and sometimes arrests etc, towards contact-less enforcement. A certain number of those breaching the law will be identified through CCTV cameras and they will likely be sent a legal reminder.
So actually government will likely save money this way, and patrolling police will be freed up for other missions.
Enforcement of the Islamic dress code should not be put into equivalence with the neutralization of foreign threats, these are separate topics and efforts on one front never preclude efficient measures on the other. It's is actually a talking point resorted to by Iran's enemies, who hope in this way to incite Iranians against their legitimate government and against the Islamic Revolution.
This is while in terms of national security, no Iranian government since the Safavids has had a better record than the Islamic Republic, as any honest look at history will invariably show.
It wasn't a seller who threw the yoghurt but another client in fact. There are hot headed individuals in every group of people regardless of their views.
Also bear in mind that youth is a dwindling category of the Iranian population. With the extreme demographic slump and fertility crisis Iran is undergoing (Iranians are having fewer children than the French, which is a catastrophe for Iran actually), there will soon not be any youth to speak of.
Last but not least, don't forget that among this same youth, there are religious people deeply attached to Islamic hejab. What both the government and patriotic citizens ought to focus on, considering the enemy's attempts to stir conflict between religious and less religious Iranians around the topic of hejab, is devising solutions which inherently reduce conflictuality all the while of preserving the identity of the Islamic Republic and conforming to Islamic precepts, in line with the wishes of the majority.
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As if forcing women to wear something will stop them from being whores. Have you any idea how many hijab wearing whores out there?
All you're doing is making women hate the system.
Atatürk is without a doubt the greatest soldier and statesman of 20th century. Even his enemies recognize his greatness so that you will find Atatürk statues in Australia and New Zealand.
Atatürk's spirit is what's keeping Turkey together as a country. The moment we turn our backs to him, this country will crumble under its own weight. You can take this as a mystical prophecy or a rational prediction but it's the cold hard truth.
Anybody who doesn't like Atatürk is either an ignorant pea brain or a traitor or both. It's not a question of being pro or anti Ottoman, it's not a question of being left or right, it is just common sense and basic level intelligence issue.
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I agree about Ataturk ...him and Reza shah in Iran were two leaders that turned their countrie around towards a modern era..They built the foundation and today's Islamists curse them not thinking they went to school and became literate because of them..
A good painting to remember these visionary leaders
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ChatGPT exists my dude lmao
Iran's High Literacy Rate
ChatGPT what's behind the literacy rate in Iran?"The literacy rate in Iran is relatively high compared to other countries in the region, with a literacy rate of approximately 86% among the adult population. This can be attributed to a number of factors.
One important factor is the Iranian government's emphasis on education, particularly after the Islamic Revolution in 1979. The government has made education a priority, with significant investments in the education system, including building schools and universities, increasing the number of teachers, and providing free education for all students up to the secondary level.
Another factor is the high value placed on education in Iranian culture. Education has long been seen as a path to success and social mobility, and many Iranian families prioritize their children's education.
Additionally, Iran has a rich history of scholarship and intellectualism, with a strong tradition of poetry, literature, and philosophy. This cultural emphasis on education and intellectual pursuits has helped to foster a culture of learning and literacy.
However, it is important to note that despite these factors, there are still disparities in literacy rates within Iran, particularly between urban and rural areas, as well as between different socio-economic groups. Addressing these disparities remains an important challenge for the Iranian government and society as a whole."
I guess the "Islamists" are the reason people are literate in Iran.
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It's not an Arab cultural trait but a religious principle. Islam is a universal faith, not restricted to a single nationality. In civilizational terms non-Arab peoples including Iranians contributed more to Islamic civilization than Arabs. Also the Prophet of Islam (s.A.w.s.) on various aspects revolutionized and went against jahel Arab culture.
When it comes to the Islamic dress code in particular, it is highly unlikely female Arabs went about with covered hair prior to the advent of Islam. To quote an online comment: "Some upper class women in urban centers like Mecca might have worn veils, because that was the fashion among upper class women in adjacent civilizations that the era’s Arabs emulated, like the Byzantines or Persians."
Also one can't really say it's being forced upon female Iranians since over 80% of respondents in a recent survey indicated they would keep observing some form of hejab whether or not it is mandated by law. Only 14% declared they wouldn't.
The alternative societal model which stands to fill the gap in Iran as it did elsewhere, would be the one advocated by the dominant liberal dogma imposed on nations by the zionist, freemason, globalist and capitalist oligarchy. Leading to rather undesirable phenomena such as these:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/sex-education-uk-schools-d7p5lx3d0
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...ho-sexually-assaulted-inmates-jailed-for-life
https://www.bolde.com/man-raped-baby-broke-ribs-4-years-prison/
42% of births in the EU are outside marriage
The proportion of live births outside marriage in the EU stood at 42% in 2018. This is 17 percentage points above the value in 2000. It signals new patterns of family formation alongside the more traditional model where children were born within a marriage. Extramarital births occur in...
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I personally don't agree or like this news (if it's even true). Social freedoms are ingrained in the new generations worldwide, and it will cause further unnecessary strain on the social fabric of Iran. Will backfire - again - if true!
My man, you're a cool poster, and you're almost double my age and for that you have my respect!
But do you think your ancestors 500,1000 or 2000 years ago dressed like western Europeans, do you think the other option is not imported?
Everything is imported - everything - not just the things you dislike or deem Arabic/Islamic.
The question is how long does it take before something imported becomes a part of your culture? 50, 500 or 5000 years?
Islam, is part of your history and culture whether you like it or not. You cant just erase 1400 years with snap of a finger like Thanos. Go ahead and earse all the brilliant historical achievements and contributions of Iranian Muslims. You either acknowledge all of it as a part of your history or none of it.
You're not the only people with a great history before Islam, never met a Greek this confused or an Egyptian or Iraqi that is not appreciative of both their pre Islamic and post Islamic history.
Imagine a Greek thinking Christian customs are imported because they once worshipped Zeus and Athena and that Christianity is a Middle Eastern religion not belonging in Europe.
You can critique policies and ideas without deeming them imported/ foreign to a society when they're obviously not.
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You know what's slightly odd about this "Atatürk" character? There's a credible document suggesting he was of Jewish origin. Namely a Dönme, in other terms member of a group of crypto-Jews in the Ottoman Empire who converted outwardly to Islam, but retained their Jewish faith and Kabbalistic beliefs in secret.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dönmeh
What's more, the Dönme at least originally were followers of Sabbatai Tsevi, a false prophet known for preaching an antinomianist doctrine - i.e. a doctrine calling for the promotion of sin in order to create adequate conditions for the arrival of the Messiah. Since religious scriptures predict that the saviour will make his appearance at a time when morality will be at an all time low among humans, antinomianists set out to encourage sinful behaviour, chaos and so on.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabbatai_Zevi
You can find the source hinting to Mustafa Kemal's possible Jewish roots at the link below. It's a paper written by a Jewish journalist and first published by New York's Forward, one of the USA's main Jewish newspapers on January 28, 1994 - I'd strongly recommend every Iranian to read this, you will be stunned:
https://www.muslimobserver.com/when-kemal-ataturk-recited-shema-yisrael/
And here's a discussion of why the source in question is credible and why its author is unlikely to have intended to smear Kemal:
Some Facts on the Origins of Mustafa Kemal Ataturk
Information on Mustafa Kemal as a donmeh (It is interesting that the Jews refer to the donmeh, or, more correctly, the Sabbateans, as cultists – minim.
hetq.am
Other writers pointed to possible deviant habits on "Atatürk's" part. In his book Grey Wolf - Mustafa Kemal. An Intimate Study of a Dictator, the historian Harold Courtenay Armstrong relates an episode which resulted in one of Kemal's close companions to fall out and break all ties with him.
As for the infiltration of the Young Turk movement by freemasonry, and the role played by the latter in the foundation of the secular Turkish republic, it is amply documented.
At any rate, there's an undeniable link in the Moslem world between islamophobia or ultra-secularist ideology on the one hand, and zionism as well as masonry on the other. Most Iranians who adhere to secularism or even oppose Islam for instance, have comparatively little or no issues with Iran being governed by puppet rulers imposed on the Iranian people by British (first Pahlavi monarch) or American imperialists (second Pahlavi monarch). They have little issues with zionist elites loyal to a foreign regime, namely Isra"el", exerting massive influence upon the Iranian government as was the case prior to the victory of the Islamic Revolution. But they tend to be uncomfortable with Islam, on grounds that its Prophet (s.A.w.s.) was Arab. So to many secular nationalist Iranians, British / American / zionist / Baha'i domination of Iran is in order but Iranians following the universal religion of Islam is problematic.
Another noteworthy fact is that the man who convinced British general Ironside of choosing Reza Khan as Iran's king, was a Parsi Zoroastrian from the British Raj, a certain Ardeshir Riporter (and not, as often claimed, the Iranian journalist Seyyed Zia). Now guess what, Riporter too was said to have been a freemason. In the worlds of West Asian ultra-secularism and islamphobia, the same connections are visible across the board.
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"Twitter" thread initially linked to by user HGV and a good find.
Deserves to be shared in full since it sheds light on what Iran's current strategy in relation to the zionists and their provocations may consist of.
The outcome of this very limited round of escalation is huge for the region and the rules of the game. The unification of the fronts reflects more on the new style guide that Qaani has set after Soleimani’s assassination.
It’s true he was slow, and Iran’s regional influence saw setbacks mainly in Iraq and Syria, but Quds force and allies knew how to exploit several factors:
1- popular outcry against normalisation.
2- continuous Israeli aggression mainly at Al-Aqsa.
3- Israel political crisis.
Israel has launched since the beginning of this year at least nine attacks on pro-Iranian targets in Syria. This was itself (since 2012) a new factor in the struggle and a new equation without any real response from the other end.
The few attacks from the Iran affiliated forces in Syria failed in establishing new rules of engagement, the question now is whether Syria’s front is going to be part of the unification of fronts project and how will this impact the deterence in the future.
Regardless of this, what’s stunning is how much Israel (both militarily and intelligence wise) is deterred by Hezb’s potentials and the threat of the precision missiles. Hezb and Iran’s calculations not to respond to Israeli attacks in Syria and engage in a battle were right.
The Israeli strikes were mainly to prevent the missiles and the technology from reaching to the main front, south Lebanon. The response to the attacks was by exerting more efforts to bring in what Israel wanted to prevent. The retaliation was in getting the weapons to Lebanon.
Regarding Qaani I wrote last year, “Some like to compare here between the death of the founder of the Islamic Republic, Ayatollah Khomeini, in 1989, and the assassination of Soleimani three decades later.”
“Khomeini's successor, Khamenei, reinforced the trend towards institutionalisation after Khomeini’s revolutionary charisma, it helped him consolidate his rule and create a model of governance that is more suitable for the period after the Iran-Iraq war, the storms of hostages.”
“Soleimani’s successor, Qaani, just like Khamenei, comes from the school of executives and adopts a style that differs from Soleimani. He is more organized and less visible, and his comms with the groups operating under the umbrella of his power is limited to specific areas.”
“And he in turn wants according to what sources in Tehran say, he is to transfer this mentality to organizations and parties with an unannounced title: “The end of the era of legends.”
My piece from April 2022 in Arabic, google translate it for more.
https://jadehiran.com/archives/35496
Deserves to be shared in full since it sheds light on what Iran's current strategy in relation to the zionists and their provocations may consist of.
The outcome of this very limited round of escalation is huge for the region and the rules of the game. The unification of the fronts reflects more on the new style guide that Qaani has set after Soleimani’s assassination.
It’s true he was slow, and Iran’s regional influence saw setbacks mainly in Iraq and Syria, but Quds force and allies knew how to exploit several factors:
1- popular outcry against normalisation.
2- continuous Israeli aggression mainly at Al-Aqsa.
3- Israel political crisis.
Israel has launched since the beginning of this year at least nine attacks on pro-Iranian targets in Syria. This was itself (since 2012) a new factor in the struggle and a new equation without any real response from the other end.
The few attacks from the Iran affiliated forces in Syria failed in establishing new rules of engagement, the question now is whether Syria’s front is going to be part of the unification of fronts project and how will this impact the deterence in the future.
Regardless of this, what’s stunning is how much Israel (both militarily and intelligence wise) is deterred by Hezb’s potentials and the threat of the precision missiles. Hezb and Iran’s calculations not to respond to Israeli attacks in Syria and engage in a battle were right.
The Israeli strikes were mainly to prevent the missiles and the technology from reaching to the main front, south Lebanon. The response to the attacks was by exerting more efforts to bring in what Israel wanted to prevent. The retaliation was in getting the weapons to Lebanon.
Regarding Qaani I wrote last year, “Some like to compare here between the death of the founder of the Islamic Republic, Ayatollah Khomeini, in 1989, and the assassination of Soleimani three decades later.”
“Khomeini's successor, Khamenei, reinforced the trend towards institutionalisation after Khomeini’s revolutionary charisma, it helped him consolidate his rule and create a model of governance that is more suitable for the period after the Iran-Iraq war, the storms of hostages.”
“Soleimani’s successor, Qaani, just like Khamenei, comes from the school of executives and adopts a style that differs from Soleimani. He is more organized and less visible, and his comms with the groups operating under the umbrella of his power is limited to specific areas.”
“And he in turn wants according to what sources in Tehran say, he is to transfer this mentality to organizations and parties with an unannounced title: “The end of the era of legends.”
My piece from April 2022 in Arabic, google translate it for more.
https://jadehiran.com/archives/35496
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Thank you for your complement..I like to make my point clear that I do not care what people wear as long as no one is legislating what they have to wear..imported or domestic.
As for education I never denied the contribution that new Islamic system has made not only on education but also on Iranian technology ..How ever there are islamists in Iran that deny anything that someone like Reza shah did for Iran..just because his son was a useless guy they destroy any memory of that great leader of Iran.. they ransacked his resting place..they even deny the existence of the Cyrus ..For these backwards segment of Iranian Islamist population any thing which is not Islamic is bad and anything Islamic is the greatest gift to humanity..
I try to be neutral in my view..Reza shah was a great leader and so is Ayatollah Khamanei..I do not care what group they belong to..I look at what they do for Iran.
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Actually, unlike barbaric African tribes, Persian women have always been covered throughout our history. so, better find other excuses for importing doomed western pervert culture into Iran.
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After jama'at prayers at a local mosque, the faithful in the border town of Astara strongly protest the so-called Azarbaijan Republic's opening of an embassy in Isra"el".
A video's available at the link below.
https://qafqaz.ir/fa/نمازگزاران-آستارایی-افتتاح-سفارت-جمه/
A video's available at the link below.
https://qafqaz.ir/fa/نمازگزاران-آستارایی-افتتاح-سفارت-جمه/
نمازگزاران آستارایی افتتاح سفارت جمهوری آذربایجان در سرزمین های اشغالی فلسطین را به شدت محکوم کردند/تصاویر+ فیلم
نمازگزاران آستارایی با شعار مرگ بر آمریکا و مرگ بر اسرائیل افتتاح سفارت جمهوری آذربایجان در سرزمین های اشغالی فلسطین را به شدت محکوم کردند.
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به گزارش پایگاه خبری حقایق قفقاز، نمازگزاران آستارایی پس از اقامه آیین عبادی و سیاسی نمازجمعه این هفته با برگزاری راهپیمایی، افتتاح سفارت جمهوری آذربایجان در سرزمین های اشغالی فلسطین و ایجاد جبهه مشترک علیه جمهوری اسلامی ایران را به شدت محکوم کردند
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نمازگزاران با شعارهای «مرگ بر اسرائیل»، «مرگ بر آمریکا» و «آذربایجان جانباز انقلابدان آیریلماز»، «آذربایجان اویاخدی، انقلابا دایاخدی» اقدام دولت جمهوری آذربایجان در گسترش روابط با رژیم منحوس صهیونیستی را به شدت محکوم کردند.
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نمازگزاران با شعارهای «مرگ بر اسرائیل»، «مرگ بر آمریکا» و «آذربایجان جانباز انقلابدان آیریلماز»، «آذربایجان اویاخدی، انقلابا دایاخدی» اقدام دولت جمهوری آذربایجان در گسترش روابط با رژیم منحوس صهیونیستی را به شدت محکوم کردند.
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i wonder if at last these cctv camera can be used to recognize the people who whenever there is unrest go and wear police and security force gears and destroy peoples property, or attack peoples band always police claim they are not from them but imposters.
when you say آتش به اختیار what you actually expect . its good this time it was just yoghurt bucket not like acid like what happened in some cases in previous years
then why impose it on those 20% , to make anger and problems?
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only the highborn
and for the records , berber were people of desert , they wear sort of hijab to cover themselves from sun and sand
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Good for you. But it changes nothing to the fact that CCTV cameras will be used to identify and track criminals as well as hypothetical terrorists.
Which is nothing compared to almost daily calls for wanton murder of religious Iranians. Whining about someone who threw freaking yoghurt, please give me a break.
Yeah, and reality is that violence against peaceful 'amerine be ma'ruf has been much more intense than against bad hejab since last year's riots.
Speaking of acid attacks by the way, Iranians are lucky that conditions there aren't as bad as in "paradise west", namely the UK. In 2017, 465 such attacks took place in just a single year and only in the city of London. Victims are sometimes younger than 10, and they include toddlers and babies.
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/01/26/europe/london-acid-attacks-2017-intl/index.html
London is 'acid attack hotspot of western world' with victims as young as 10
Acid attacks have soared to record levels in London, with some of those injured under the age of 10, the Standard can reveal today.
www.standard.co.uk
14% not 20%. It's the nature of democracy and governance in general, minorities will often be asked to conform to the majority. But more importantly, hejab is among the vajebat of religion and it's incumbent upon an Islamic government to implement religious law.
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