Iranian Chill Thread

[Messerschmitt]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1593158987800641536

 

[WudangMaster]

I'm not sure if people are aware but Justin Trudeau was a high school drama teacher before becoming the prime minister of Canada. Xi worked his way up from the bottom for 30 years before becoming the leader of China.

This is very upsetting to watch. Realistically though a bunch of girls and teenagers are not going to enact a revolution. The Iranian opposition is too fragmented, there is no leadership figure. The only thing that might happen is if these protests just keep dragging on to the point where some elements of the military might decide to launch a coup. However that could and likely would easily lead to a civil war, which would be a disaster for Iran.

I can't really blame young people for protesting, since the economic situation in Iran just keeps getting worst and worst over time. I also can't accept the excuses the current gov makes about foreign elements being behind everything. Then why can't foreign elements do the same to Russia or China ?

Obviously alot of young people seem to have serious grievances with the current gov and instead of trying to reform or attempting some type of dialog, they just keep deflecting and making typical excuses. Honestly if the current leadership were making the most pragmatic and feasible decisions, then Iran should easily be prospering, but it's not and currently the majority of Iranian are impoverished according to the governments own figures.

China is really messed up right now. They're still sticking with their ZERO Covid policy while most of the world has moved on. They're extremely strict and after 3 of lockdowns does it even make sense at this point ? I mean logically speaking they're annihilating their own economy right now.

See when it comes to democracy/pluralism vs authoritarianism, sure people won't always choose the right candidate for the job, but at the very least in a genuine democracy there's transparency/accountability and people can always protest for early elections or at the very least in a few years elect a new government to change policies.

In an authoritarian government it's just a matter of luck. If the leadership is pragmatic and highly intelligent then the country might outperform democracies where often times there's too much bickering / infighting and sometimes laws can't even get passed because of a deadlock with no clear party having a majority.

However as the famous saying goes "power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely" See the issue in an authoritarian regime is that the leadership or dictator might be prudent / wise when it comes to some subjects or for a certain period of time, but then if he makes a decision and the country is on the wrong course, often times there's no changing course.

See at the end of the day, people are just people everywhere. And for the most part people don't want to be told how to live their lives. Especially in society where the majority of people are literate and educated, a good government will impose the will of the people, not impose its will on the people' A good government should just do the basics, collect taxes, provide policing, security, military, build roads, bridges, infrastructure, healthcare, etc.

That's just my opinion on the subject, but regardless of where you stand on the matter, it's very telling that people often leave dictatorships to go to democracies but you rarely if ever hear about people fleeing a free and democratic country to go to live under an authoritarian regime.

Both of these regimes are screwing themselves and their respective nations while there are extremely dangerous enemies at the gates; where things will go I don't know but the a recent Dana video talking about bazaar shutdowns paints a very grim picture. I can't follow it as much as I want due to a very exhausting job and busy schedule and whatever I see or hear is not good at all...

 

[jauk]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1592939923958792192

what he was writing?

starts with #forfreedom and after cop comes completes it with #forfreedomofqhods

 

[jauk]

Hear hear:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1592915435229704192

 

[Hack-Hook]

If anything it would happen after the Ukraine war is over and done with and Iran would only initially receive the 24 that were meant for Egypt.

those go to rebuild Russia air-force

 

[Hack-Hook]

This is very upsetting to watch. Realistically though a bunch of girls and teenagers are not going to enact a revolution. The Iranian opposition is too fragmented, there is no leadership figure. The only thing that might happen is if these protests just keep dragging on to the point where some elements of the military might decide to launch a coup. However that could and likely would easily lead to a civil war, which would be a disaster for Iran.

Didn't in 1342 mr. Khomeini said my soldiers are today's toddlers ?
i very much advice not to underestimate the power of youths. another matter is that they rule their families , whatever they want their families also bend that side

 

[aryobarzan]

@Foinikas
just something light for our Greek friend ..by the way Greek oil Tankers were freed yesterday

House of HERCULES in Iran:
scholars believe that this cave was temporarily inhabited by the Seleucids (Alexander's successors) who moved to western Iran after the Parthian king Mehrdad II conquered the area. For this reason, many believe that this cave was the home, sanctuary or temple of Hercules.

House of Hercules! Karaftoo cave on World Heritage Tentative List

TEHRAN –Kordestan province’s tourism chief on Tuesday said he was delighted that the natural-historical complex of Karaftoo cave had been shortlisted by the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization.

www.tehrantimes.com

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[jauk]

I'm not sure if people are aware but Justin Trudeau was a high school drama teacher before becoming the prime minister of Canada. Xi worked his way up from the bottom for 30 years before becoming the leader of China.

This is very upsetting to watch. Realistically though a bunch of girls and teenagers are not going to enact a revolution. The Iranian opposition is too fragmented, there is no leadership figure. The only thing that might happen is if these protests just keep dragging on to the point where some elements of the military might decide to launch a coup. However that could and likely would easily lead to a civil war, which would be a disaster for Iran.

I can't really blame young people for protesting, since the economic situation in Iran just keeps getting worst and worst over time. I also can't accept the excuses the current gov makes about foreign elements being behind everything. Then why can't foreign elements do the same to Russia or China ?

Obviously alot of young people seem to have serious grievances with the current gov and instead of trying to reform or attempting some type of dialog, they just keep deflecting and making typical excuses. Honestly if the current leadership were making the most pragmatic and feasible decisions, then Iran should easily be prospering, but it's not and currently the majority of Iranian are impoverished according to the governments own figures.

China is really messed up right now. They're still sticking with their ZERO Covid policy while most of the world has moved on. They're extremely strict and after 3 of lockdowns does it even make sense at this point ? I mean logically speaking they're annihilating their own economy right now.

See when it comes to democracy/pluralism vs authoritarianism, sure people won't always choose the right candidate for the job, but at the very least in a genuine democracy there's transparency/accountability and people can always protest for early elections or at the very least in a few years elect a new government to change policies.

In an authoritarian government it's just a matter of luck. If the leadership is pragmatic and highly intelligent then the country might outperform democracies where often times there's too much bickering / infighting and sometimes laws can't even get passed because of a deadlock with no clear party having a majority.

However as the famous saying goes "power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely" See the issue in an authoritarian regime is that the leadership or dictator might be prudent / wise when it comes to some subjects or for a certain period of time, but then if he makes a decision and the country is on the wrong course, often times there's no changing course.

See at the end of the day, people are just people everywhere. And for the most part people don't want to be told how to live their lives. Especially in society where the majority of people are literate and educated, a good government will impose the will of the people, not impose its will on the people' A good government should just do the basics, collect taxes, provide policing, security, military, build roads, bridges, infrastructure, healthcare, etc.

That's just my opinion on the subject, but regardless of where you stand on the matter, it's very telling that people often leave dictatorships to go to democracies but you rarely if ever hear about people fleeing a free and democratic country to go to live under an authoritarian regime.

Your points and conclusions are not only shallow but fundamentally incorrect. Please refer to basic history books and try not only parrot but absorb them and come to rational conclusions. Your sources will be telling. Once you exhibit rational and independent thought THEN you can elevate yourself to agree or disagree AND propose solutions. As of now, the value of your comments is less then the whiff of dried baloney.

 

[SalarHaqq]

This is very upsetting to watch.

Hope you realize those are rubber bullets - if at all, as I cannot seem to discern any projectiles. Looks more like a stampede of sorts. Every single one of those who fell, stood up right afterwards and walked or ran away. Unlike what fallacious headlines in mainstream media might attempt to suggest, they were definitely and quite obviously not "fired upon".

Then why can't foreign elements do the same to Russia or China ?

A simple answer would comprise the following points:

1) NATO, the zionists and their minions have been bombarding Iranians with anywhere between ten to a hundred times the amount of propaganda, psy-ops and social engineering they've been subjecting the Russian and Chinese people to overall. Couple of years ago, someone made a brief comparison between the respective output of the Persian, Chinese and Russian language services of the BBC on the largest "social media" websites. Result: the Persian-language accounts were churning out something like eight times the volume of posts, compared to the second ranking service.

2) Neither Russia nor China are surrounded by military bases and intelligence outposts of the enemy on practically every single border of theirs.

3) They have greater material and financial resources. In soft war, volume and superficial technical aspects are as important (and actually more decisive) than content per se.

4) Recent riots in Hong Kong and timid protests in Russia were only a foretaste of what the enemy will be attempting to stage in these countries on a much larger scale over the coming years and decades.

Honestly if the current leadership were making the most pragmatic and feasible decisions, then Iran should easily be prospering,

Iran is developing at a sustained pace. There are multiple threads documenting this, perhaps you would want to allocate some time to studying those.

but it's not and currently the majority of Iranian are impoverished according to the governments own figures.

The poverty rate as per governmental data currently stands at around 18%, absolute poverty being significantly lower.

See when it comes to democracy/pluralism vs authoritarianism, sure people won't always choose the right candidate for the job, but at the very least in a genuine democracy there's transparency/accountability and people can always protest for early elections or at the very least in a few years elect a new government to change policies.

In an authoritarian government it's just a matter of luck. If the leadership is pragmatic and highly intelligent then the country might outperform democracies where often times there's too much bickering / infighting and sometimes laws can't even get passed because of a deadlock with no clear party having a majority.

However as the famous saying goes "power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely" See the issue in an authoritarian regime is that the leadership or dictator might be prudent / wise when it comes to some subjects or for a certain period of time, but then if he makes a decision and the country is on the wrong course, often times there's no changing course.

Additional examination will show that the "dictatorship versus democracy" dichotomy is sketchy and increasingly outdated. It's more of a weaponized propaganda narrative in the service of the imperialist powers to be, than a functional concept.

Liberal and secular so-called "democracies" are really non-coercive totalitarian systems, where deep state structures as well as private interests dominate every aspect of policy making. The "choice" supposedly offered to citizens through the electoral process is a complete illusion, so are the avenues civil society is claimed to have access to, the media - concentrated in the hands of private corporations close to the regimes in power, are entirely streamlined (according to an illustrative adage, a journalist in the west nowadays can only be one of two things; jobless or a presstitute).

Not only are fundamental policy guidelines defined within closed oligarchic circles and networks, way beyond the pseudo-democratic spectacle, but said guidelines will not be affected by the change-over of mandates between the two ruling parties, which essentially implement the same broad policies (financial policy - controlled by central banks and treasuries under the thumb of oligarchs and banksters; foreign policy - determined by the security establishment and deep states, social and cultural policy - decided in masonic lodges and other such bodies; and so on).

By contrast, Iran's political system is characterized by far superior degree of authentic plurality. Since one of the two main political currents voters can cast their ballot for, is actively and relentlessly aiming for so-called "regime change" from within à la Gorbachev, and does not believe in the core values underlying the Constitution and the Revolution. It is in fact a political proxy of the country's geopolitical adversaries. Imagine one of the two main parties in the USA or Canada working around the clock to advance Iran's interests, and you'll get an idea of how democratic Iran is, as opposed to western totalitarianisms masquerading as "democracies".

See at the end of the day, people are just people everywhere. And for the most part people don't want to be told how to live their lives. Especially in society where the majority of people are literate and educated, a good government will impose the will of the people, not impose its will on the people' A good government should just do the basics, collect taxes, provide policing, security, military, build roads, bridges, infrastructure, healthcare, etc.

People in the west are mentally conditioned since birth and from ground up on how to conduct their lives. Hence why lifestyles are overwhelmingly monotonous over here.

That's just my opinion on the subject, but regardless of where you stand on the matter, it's very telling that people often leave dictatorships to go to democracies but you rarely if ever hear about people fleeing a free and democratic country to go to live under an authoritarian regime.

Western so-called "democracies" attract migrants for two reasons: one, their material wealth resulting from centuries of colonial exploitation and two, their oversized propaganda and cultural warfare apparatus (which includes the likes of Hollywood, contemporary "music", consumerist "brands") brainwashing, neuro-linguistically programming and shaping the perceptions of global audiences.

 

[tsunset]

How should Iran respond to Saudi Arabia with Iran International non-stop inciting people to revolt and being responsible of deaths

https://twitter.com/x/status/1592950007417954304

They killed a children

https://twitter.com/x/status/1592970900558991360

https://twitter.com/x/status/1592951698972372992

Reminder, they made multiple fakes such as Navid Afkari, the "wrestler" that stabbed to death a security guard, they made that to make people think he was at the olympics, while he was not at all and just wrestling as a hobby (i don't know if it justifies stabbing a security person)

They also made the recent fake news with the "15000" innocent protesters that are going to get executed and make a "genocide", and countless other fakes aimed at creating chaos inside Iran

What are your thoughts? Should Iran continue to stay diplomatic or respond using force?

 

[lydian fall]

 

[TheImmortal]

those go to rebuild Russia air-force

None sense. Russian Air Force is massive. More than enough fighters to take on Ukraine.

The problem is they lack a steady supply for PGMs for those fighter jets.

Look at nearly every bombing run video and you see them having to fly very low to drop dumb munitions.

 

[lydian fall]

باید سعودی و امارات رو نابود کرد

 

[Hack-Hook]

None sense. Russian Air Force is massive. More than enough fighters to take on Ukraine.

The problem is they lack a steady supply for PGMs for those fighter jets.

Look at nearly every bombing run video and you see them having to fly very low to drop dumb munitions.

how many they lost in Ukraine fight ?
1x mig-31
8x su-24
19x su-25
11x su-30
16x su-34
1x su-35

that is 56 fixed wing aircraft till today.
the result , russia need 56 fixed wing airplane to reach the capacity before war . now its up to them to replace the loss with su-35 or su-30 and mig-31

 

[TheImmortal]

how many they lost in Ukraine fight ?
1x mig-31
8x su-24
19x su-25
11x su-30
16x su-34
1x su-35

that is 57 till today the result , russia need 57 fixed wing airplane to reach the capacity before war . now its up to them to replace the loss with su-35 or su-30 and mig-31

Ask yourself, How many fighter jets do they still have left that can drop dumb bombs?

Until they solve PGM problem they will continue to lose aircraft