Iranian Chill Thread

[Shawnee]

#jcpoa
#energy crisis

Time is up. Too late to get relief from a deal in time.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Prior to the Islamic Revolution the grass wasn't exactly green in Iran, it was wilted.

you don't let me close my mouth , Gaze on your ideal society and praise it more . 25% of GNP come from prostitution for USA force in 60s and 70s

The Second Republic viewed prostitution as something of a necessity.[62] Starting in the 1960s, an official organized system was established to provide the U.S. military men with entertainment and leisure that fulfilled their sexual fantasies, such as peep shows and strip clubs.[35] Lawmakers of the National Assembly urged the South Korean government to train a supply of prostitutes for allied soldiers to prevent them from spending their dollars in Japan.[62] Lee Seung-u, the deputy home minister, gave a response to the National Assembly that the government had made some improvements in the "Supply of Prostitutes" for American soldiers.[62] These camptowns existed as a site for the American GIs R&R.

Park Chung-hee, who ruled South Korea during the 1960s and 1970s, and the father of the former president Park Geun-hye, encouraged the sex industry in order to generate revenue, particularly from the U.S. military.[65] Park seized power in the May 16 coup, and immediately enforced two core laws.[66] The first was the prostitution prevention law, which excluded "camp towns" from the governmental crackdown on prostitution; the second was the tourism promotion law, which designated camp towns as special tourism districts.[66]

During the 1960s, prostitutions and other related businesses generated nearly 25% of the South Korean GNP.[67] In 1962, 20,000 comfort women were registered.[1] The prostitutes attended classes sponsored by their government in English and etiquette to help them sell more effectively.[68] They were praised as "dollar-earning patriots" or "true patriots" by the South Korean government.[37][65][68] In the 1970s one junior high school teacher told his students that "The prostitutes who sell their bodies to the U.S. military are true patriots. Their dollars earned greatly contributes to our national economy. Don't talk behind their back that they are western princesses or U.N. madams."[22]

You were addressing the issue of a 1950's Korean automobile.

you brought that up and concluded because they start sooner , they must be more advance , i pointed out no we start later but at faster pace and in 78 we were ahead of them , by the way non of the car you mentioned designed by Koreans so don't talk about they designed a car .

Domestic acquisition of technology is more valuable than transfer of technology, which hinges upon the supplier's whim.

South Korea advanced because they opted for an export-substitution strategy.

no your metric for advance is totally wrong , first the korean designed nothing foreign companies designed the cars , they just produced the low technological parts and then imported high technology part from west . also quality wise peykan was better than the two car you mentioned and was totally produced inside Iran in 1978

South Korea advanced because they opted for an export-substitution strategy.

no because the only intervention of government was law making not taking over the industry and put incompetent manager at the head of the company and those incompetent manager put more incompetent manager down the line and after they **** up the industry take begging bowl and go to government to use oil money to save them.
I can't say Iran automobile industry situation more clear than that.

Changes nothing to the fact that the non-oil industries developed steadily after 1979. Numerous non-oil industries did not record any significant production setback after Trump-era sanctions, with many of them continuing on the path of expansion.

Also, I thought sanctions are favoring non-oil activities in the overall balance of Iranian industries, and that this is the "only reason" for these activities having a greater share now? So which is it?

say someone who is outside iran and think iran actual GDP is 1.7 T $

Iran has her own brands now, as opposed to pre-Revolution times. The previous regime was incapable of such an advancement and was fundamentally dependent upon on its western patrons.

the difference is now they import Chinese brands equipment and assemble them in iran and name them Iranian brands , before revolution they just sold them by original brand name when they assembled it

Iran today is producing roughly six times the number of automobiles that she did in 1978.

clap for the achievement after 45 year , how many of them completely built in Iran , how many are designed by Iranian .

Illegal sanctions were first imposed in 1979 and they accumulated on a yearly basis, cope with it.

they targeted Iran oil sale and central bank at the second term of Ahmadinejad

This has been addressed at length in the appropriate thread, no need to run in circles. Moreover, a forum user made a detailed demonstration by examining the output of numerous industrial sectors in Iran and arrived at the conclusion that the IMF figures are more realistic than the World Bank ones. So kindly don't waste time with faulty ramblings like these.

yeah that member assumed iran do imports maily by 42000 rial Dollar. you are welcome manage to import anything by that.

and a question for you why not central bank figures that i posted instead of 42000rial to imf why not obey the law and get rid of 42000R figure ?
its exactly like how ahmadinejad calculated people purchase power and concluded in his term people purchase power increased despite the inflation

The teaching of profane disciplines wasn't interrupted.

yes but the teacher was thrown out of schools . the door and windows of classes were supposed to do the teaching

Facts are facts, even if the tremendous success they reflect on the Islamic Republic's part isn't to your liking.

fact is fact that they changed it each 5-10 year then decided the pre-revolution system was better

 

[QWECXZ]

در حالیکه هارت و پورت‌های فیک و الکی همچنان برای انتقام از آمریکا باقیست، توان گوشمالی افغانستان رو هم نداریم گویا
من نمی‌دونم مگه اشغال کل هیرمند و هرات و ایجاد بافر چقدر برای کشوری که ادعای قدرت منطقه‌ای داره و طرفداراش حرف از امپراطوری و اقتدار جهانی و اینها می‌زنند باید کار داشته باشه
ترکیه تو سوریه که مراتب مجهزتر از افغانستان هست این کار رو کرد در عراق هم همچنین

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خانه ملت: عضو کمیسیون امنیت ملی و سیاست خارجی مجلس اعتقاد دارد متاسفانه شیطنت هایی در مسئله تخصیص حقابه از هیرمند هستیم

فداحسین مالکی با انتقاد از عدم تخصیص حقابه هیرمند به کشورمان از سوی افغانستان، گفت: متاسفانه برای دریافت حقابه کشورمان گرفتار تناقض ها و اختلافات داخلی طالبان هستیم در حالی که مطابق کنوانسیون های بین‌المللی این مهم باید انجام شود

نماینده مردم زاهدان در مجلس شورای اسلامی اظهار کرد: مردم منطقه در شرایط بحرانی قرار دارند و این روزها شاهد خشکسالی و ریزگردها هستیم لذا تخصیص حقابه هیرمند باید فراتر از حوزه دیپلماسی پیگیری شود؛ در واقع ستاد کل نیروهای مسلح باید موضوع حقابه را بررسی کند

وی ادامه داد: متاسفانه شیطنت هایی صورت می گیرد و بعضا نیز عمدا اقداماتی می شود که نشان می دهد صداقتی هم وجود ندارد؛ زیرا بعد از سفر وزیر نیروی کشورمان به افغانستان به عنوان مقام بلندپایه ایران، آب را باز کردند تا به گود زره برود که این اقدام خلاف عرف دیپلماتیک است و آن را بی‌پاسخ نخواهیم گذاشت

این نماینده مردم در مجلس یازدهم افزود: در این راستا رایزنی های متعددی با مقامات طالبان صورت گرفته لذا باید بر اساس قوانین اقدامات لازم را انجام دهند

عضو کمیسیون امنیت ملی و سیاست خارجی مجلس شورای اسلامی خاطرنشان کرد: ادامه این روند مردم را دچار چالش های جدی در حوزه کشاورزی و غیره می کند​

 

[SalarHaqq]

you don't let me close my mouth , Gaze on your ideal society and praise it more . 25% of GNP come from prostitution for USA force in 60s and 70s

A textbook oil-dependent banana state is what Iran used to be under the ousted monarchy, irregardless of how much its supporters will bury their heads in the sand and grasp at straws in a failed attempt to sugar-coat their beloved regime's abysmal record.

you brought that up and concluded because they start sooner , they must be more advance , i pointed out no we start later but at faster pace and in 78 we were ahead of them , by the way non of the car you mentioned designed by Koreans so don't talk about they designed a car .

I did not draw such a conclusion, but rather pointed to the fact that they'd been ahead for quite some time already.

The so-called "faster pace" Iran is supposed to have advanced at in the 1970's was a mirage, a PGCC-style procurement policy fuelled by the windfall of the oil crisis, with no self-reliant contribution to speak of. Iran was nowhere industrialized back then, any cherry-picked example you might come up with was but a drop in the bucket considering the crushing weight of the crude oil sector, which was accumulating more than the lion's share of investments.

Neither did I use the phrase 'Korean-designed car', I insisted on two facts:

1) 90% of the Hyundai Pony was manufactured locally.
2) It had greater domestic engineering input than the Peykan ever did prior to 1979.

Now twist and spin it as often as you like, these are unassailable realities.

no your metric for advance is totally wrong , first the korean designed nothing foreign companies designed the cars , they just produced the low technological parts and then imported high technology part from west . also quality wise peykan was better than the two car you mentioned and was totally produced inside Iran in 1978

My reference are academic findings by development economists, and it's object is the Korean strategy of export-substitution. Look up the concept. It's by virtue of their focus on exportable goods, starting with simple bicycles and irregardless of how the components initially were sourced, that they gradually climbed the technological ladder. Not by pouring funds into ready-made production lines.

As for your vaunted Peykan and its relatively low key production rate, it amounted to peanuts in Iran's overall economy, which kept remaining desperately dependent on crude oil sales.

no because the only intervention of government was law making not taking over the industry and put incompetent manager at the head of the company and those incompetent manager put more incompetent manager down the line and after they **** up the industry take begging bowl and go to government to use oil money to save them.

"Law making" is a vague subterfuge in this context. South Korea emulated the Japanese experience to a significant degree, and Japanese industries were heavily regulated by a burgeoning state bureaucracy in more than a few ways. That and the export-substitution strategy were key to south Korea's success in this area.

Examples of private-sector driven economies which went down the drain and have had nothing to show for in terms of industrialization are literally legion, and go a long way debunking the simplistic dichotomy formulated in the above quote. Moreover, in Iran it was privatization of the automotive industry which resulted in a series of hitherto unseen issues, as perfectly demonstrated in the excellently researched documentary film Okhtapus.

say someone who is outside iran and think iran actual GDP is 1.7 T $

Because I don't buy into fake narratives western psy-ops departments and their local fifth-columnists are concocting in order to mislead some Iranians back home (and others abroad).

the difference is now they import Chinese brands equipment and assemble them in iran and name them Iranian brands , before revolution they just sold them by original brand name when they assembled it

The difference is that there was zero indigenous impulse back then as opposed to now.

clap for the achievement after 45 year , how many of them completely built in Iran , how many are designed by Iranian .

There's Iranian design involved, "how much" is a pretty preposterous question to ask when under the former regime whose policies you're praising there was strictly none of it.

they targeted Iran oil sale and central bank at the second term of Ahmadinejad

They targeted FDI in Iran's energy sector in 1996.

However as I stressed before, the reason for Iran's progressive shift towards non-oil industries doesn't lie in any of this. Because parallel to the sharp drop in oil exports, non-oil output has risen steadily and massively. Your claim is founded upon the premise of stagnant non-oil industries accompanied by a sanctions-induced reduction of oil sales. This has not been the case, and relevant data illustrating the economic boom outside crude oil (such as steel, cement, agriculture, petrochemicals, home appliances, defence industries and many more) is readily available.

It was the deliberate prioritizing of the non-oil economy in terms of public investment and governmental incentives which paved the way towards this historic achievement. And this in turn is stemming from the Islamic Republic's ideological posture as well as from its conception of economic development, which happens to be far removed from the Pahlavi regime's outlook.

This was the state of the Iranian economy as far as the relevance of crude oil exports goes, including in the 1970's - quite aptly published on the Supreme Leader's website dedicated to adolescents (as this sort of information ought not be new to the adults in the room):

And just to set the record straight as to the fact that the Islamic Republic has indeed been defining it as a major goal to reduce the Iranian economy's dependence on oil, let's take a look at some of the declarations from the actual institution in charge of defining policy guidelines, namely the Leadership itself, shall we:

This is how insistently and how early on the Supreme Leader has been highlighting the necessity to transition away from oil. Far from a passive type of reaction to relatively recent UN sanctions or to Washington's so-called "maximum pressure" policy, this a proactive policy par excellence, rooted in the Islamic Revolution's unshakable belief system we're talking about (ramblings of some random liberal MP notwithstanding).

yeah that member assumed iran do imports maily by 42000 rial Dollar. you are welcome manage to import anything by that.

and a question for you why not central bank figures that i posted instead of 42000rial to imf why not obey the law and get rid of 42000R figure ?
its exactly like how ahmadinejad calculated people purchase power and concluded in his term people purchase power increased despite the inflation

The user in question offered a flawless presentation by reviewing production volumes among other things. Your exchange rate interjection doesn't distort the overall picture with regards to domestic manufacturing, all the more so since a lot of what is consumed in Iran is produced domestically. This is no longer the pre-Revolution era when practically every high value added product needed had to be imported.

yes but the teacher was thrown out of schools . the door and windows of classes were supposed to do the teaching

Of course. With the advent of Shah Abbas, nothing was taught anywhere in Iran other than theology . Evil religious obscurantists!

fact is fact that they changed it each 5-10 year then decided the pre-revolution system was better

Fact is the success story of the Islamic Republic's education system is a truly longstanding one, and certainly no simple derivative of adopted of pre-revolutionary practices.

 

[QWECXZ]

Do you think Iran and North Korea are good allies? Russians answer.

 

[Hack-Hook]

A textbook oil-dependent banana state is what Iran used to be under the ousted monarchy, irregardless of how much its supporters will bury their heads in the sand and grasp at straws in a failed attempt to sugar-coat their beloved regime's abysmal record.

in late 70 living in iran was a lot better than living in s. korea or Turkey no matter how some people want to spin it . go look at your utopia the 60s and 70s korea
at least iran monarch didn come and encourage women to sell themselves to Americans and call the ones who did it patriot , even when the oil price was so low in 60s that the country have serious problem meeting the budget.

I did not draw such a conclusion, but rather pointed to the fact that they'd been ahead for quite some time already.

you exactly did that , you can go several page back and read your posts.

2) It had greater domestic engineering input than the Peykan ever did prior to 1979.

it never had any domestic engineering input

As for your vaunted Peykan and its relatively low key production rate, it amounted to peanuts in Iran's overall economy, which kept remaining desperately dependent on crude oil sales.

that was a private company what you expect ? and 100+ thousands for iran was not small at all. and beside that .

Moreover, in Iran it was privatization of the automotive industry which resulted in a series of hitherto unseen issues, as perfectly demonstrated in the excellently researched documentary film Okhtapus.

non of iran big automobile maker are actually private . the real owner (government) is hiding behind of a web of Khosulati companies

talks that never actually materialized till the campaign of make Iran Great again started

This is how insistently and how early on the Supreme Leader has been highlighting the necessity to transition away from oil. Far from a passive type of reaction to relatively recent UN sanctions or to Washington's so-called "maximum pressure" policy, this a proactive policy par excellence, rooted in the Islamic Revolution's unshakable belief system we're talking about (ramblings of some random liberal MP notwithstanding).

they never happened have any problem with that go and bring that to the then MPs and Government official , i didn't have any official post.

The user in question offered a flawless presentation by reviewing production volumes among other things. Your exchange rate interjection doesn't distort the overall picture with regards to domestic manufacturing, all the more so since a lot of what is consumed in Iran is produced domestically. This is no longer the pre-Revolution era when practically every high value added product needed had to be imported.

yes but his argument was based on a flawed assumption that Iran mainly import good with 4200t dollar

Of course. With the advent of Shah Abbas, nothing was taught anywhere in Iran other than theology . Evil religious obscurantists!

thanks to shah-abbas yes , if you want ed to learn medicine you had to go and fiind a doctor who was willing to teach you , if you wanted to learn how to build a bridge , you must go and learn from a mason . the problem with that is no longer you learn the basic science and you stop at that degree , there won\t be any advancement.
and i never call shah-abbas a religious man , i clearly explained why he did that , it seems you opted not to read it

Fact is the success story of the Islamic Republic's education system is a truly longstanding one, and certainly no simple derivative of adopted of pre-revolutionary practices.

yeah the success story of ghalam-chi and such . and the fact remain that they changed educational system each 5-10 year until they decided on pre-revolution educational system wonder what is it that you discuss here , you just need go and ask a teacher and he tell you the exact same thing

 

[Hack-Hook]

Do you think Iran and North Korea are good allies? Russians answer.

well some people must see it, i only say to the people who dream , Dream of Russia, that God wake them up.

 

[jauk]

in late 70 living in iran was a lot better than living in s. korea or Turkey no matter how some people want to spin it . go look at your utopia the 60s and 70s korea
at least iran monarch didn come and encourage women to sell themselves to Americans and call the ones who did it patriot , even when the oil price was so low in 60s that the country have serious problem meeting the budget.

you exactly did that , you can go several page back and read your posts.

it never had any domestic engineering input

that was a private company what you expect ? and 100+ thousands for iran was not small at all. and beside that .

non of iran big automobile maker are actually private . the real owner (government) is hiding behind of a web of Khosulati companies

talks that never actually materialized till the campaign of make Iran Great again started

they never happened have any problem with that go and bring that to the then MPs and Government official , i didn't have any official post.

yes but his argument was based on a flawed assumption that Iran mainly import good with 4200t dollar

thanks to shah-abbas yes , if you want ed to learn medicine you had to go and fiind a doctor who was willing to teach you , if you wanted to learn how to build a bridge , you must go and learn from a mason . the problem with that is no longer you learn the basic science and you stop at that degree , there won\t be any advancement.
and i never call shah-abbas a religious man , i clearly explained why he did that , it seems you opted not to read it

yeah the success story of ghalam-chi and such . and the fact remain that they changed educational system each 5-10 year until they decided on pre-revolution educational system wonder what is it that you discuss here , you just need go and ask a teacher and he tell you the exact same thing

@Hack-Hook persisting with his مرغ خوری arguments is humorous. Someone hire him at KFC. His منحرف commentary is exactly why it’s valuable. Iran today is FAR better off than pre revolution—chicken lickin’ good notwithstanding.

 

[Hack-Hook]

@Hack-Hook persisting with his مرغ خوری arguments is humorous. Someone hire him at KFC. His منحرف commentary is exactly why it’s valuable. Iran today I s FAR better off than pre revolution—chicken lickin’ good notwithstanding.

maybe , but life in south Korea and turkey today's is not comparable with what it was in 70s.
by the way if you think so why not coming here

 

[QWECXZ]

well some people must see it, i only say to the people who dream , Dream of Russia, that God wake them up.

That's why I posted it.
Most people here seem to forget that Russians are not our friends, have never been, will never be, and in fact, history wise, they have been one of our worst enemies. And they continue to be indifferent towards us and the public opinion has always been negative about Iran.

 

[SalarHaqq]

in late 70 living in iran was a lot better than living in s. korea or Turkey no matter how some people want to spin it . go look at your utopia the 60s and 70s korea

No, you go look at it please. You'd gain more out of it.

at least iran monarch didn come and encourage women to sell themselves to Americans and call the ones who did it patriot , even when the oil price was so low in 60s that the country have serious problem meeting the budget.

Don't worry, gun-toting Yankee criminals took their share of Iranian women - for free and by force - at tents they set up in Niru Havayi during their WW2 occupation of our homeland, under the watch of their puppet shah.

Nor were Shahre No or the Laleh-Zar cabarets off limits to American rowdies and drunkards in the "golden 70's".

Oh, did I mention the story of that mighty Imperial Army's general whose wife some US officer "invited" into his limousine in the middle of a reception party in Tehran, her powerless husband (whose mere sight would have ordinary mostaz'af Iranians shake in fear) lowering his gaze in humiliation? Do I need to elaborate?

Alas, these were the conditions under the US vassal regime you're seemingly bent on sugar-coating.

you exactly did that , you can go several page back and read your posts.

Not really. Dare I say it's not the first time you're losing track of the discussion thread.

it never had any domestic engineering input

Are you sure?

that was a private company what you expect ? and 100+ thousands for iran was not small at all. and beside that .

So what happened to the magnificent "private sector-driven economy" mantra? Not exactly the spotless panacea you've been making it out to be, eh?

non of iran big automobile maker are actually private . the real owner (government) is hiding behind of a web of Khosulati companies

The Iran Khodro owners are private individuals. Watch Okhtapus. It's made by a young arzeshi journalist but don't worry, bacheye khubie.

talks that never actually materialized till the campaign of make Iran Great again started

Nice backtracking, congrats. Now you went from "the Islamic Republic never believed in diversifying the economy" to "it never materialized until Trump's sanctions".

But that's still wrong. As explained, oil revenues dropped to below 50% of the budget in the early 2000's. Moreover, you appear to be oblivious to the herculean nature of exiting oil dependency. Case in point, very few oil-exporters among developing nations have made it. It's the kind of task which may easily take decades to achieve, if at all.

Last but not least, I debunked the premise of your contention by pointing to the steady rise of non-oil production in Iran. This tendency predates Trump by several decades.

they never happened have any problem with that go and bring that to the then MPs and Government official , i didn't have any official post.

They never happened according to some insufficiently informed take perhaps. Reality tells a different story though.

yes but his argument was based on a flawed assumption that Iran mainly import good with 4200t dollar

Addressed that. The objection's faulty.

thanks to shah-abbas yes , if you want ed to learn medicine you had to go and fiind a doctor who was willing to teach you , if you wanted to learn how to build a bridge , you must go and learn from a mason . the problem with that is no longer you learn the basic science and you stop at that degree , there won\t be any advancement.

The rest of your allegations imply that this story too ought to be taken with a dose of salt, pending further research.

and i never call shah-abbas a religious man , i clearly explained why he did that , it seems you opted not to read it

The narrative you've reproduced is scapegoating religious elements, irregardless of their identity. Heard this kind of stuff elsewhere and I'm aware what sort of occult quarters they generally originate from, hence my legitimate circumspection.

yeah the success story of ghalam-chi and such . and the fact remain that they changed educational system each 5-10 year until they decided on pre-revolution educational system wonder what is it that you discuss here , you just need go and ask a teacher and he tell you the exact same thing

Thanks but no, I'll gladly leave gullible interaction with shahis and other counter-revolutionaries to those interested. For my part, I'll be content with the amply documented success of Islamic Iran's education system across the board and throughout post-revolutionary periods.

 

[SalarHaqq]

Do you think Iran and North Korea are good allies? Russians answer.

A look at the source of this piece sheds light on its motivations.

Some other tendentious questions put to Russians by this YouTube channel:

"Why do you think millions of people left Russia?" (Sounds somewhat familiar to me. As in "why do you think millions of people left Iran?")

"Why did we annex Ukrainian regions if it wasn't the goal?" ("Why did we intervene in the region if it wasn't the goal?")

"Do you know how much we spend on the war?" ("Do you know how much we spend on Gaza and Lebanon?")

"Why is our economy so weak?" ("Why is our economy so weak while it was so strong under the shah?" · "Ask our partners at Manoto and Saudi International!")

The common enemy is active in Russia through its liberal fifth column as much as it is Iran through the reformists and company. Both Islamic Iran and Russia tolerate this sort of dissent, whose playbook is as old as it is getting tired: turn Iranians against their cooperation partners (Russia, China) and allies (the Resistance), turn Russians against Iran, China, Belarus etc.

Doesn't make any of it much more credible though, at least to those familiar with NATO and zionist psy-ops / propaganda schemes.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Don't worry, the Americans took their share of Iranian women for free during the occupation of Iran in WW2, under the watch of the shah.

Neither were Shahre-No and the Laleh-Zar cabarets off limits to Americans.

Oh, did I mention the story of the mighty Imperial Army's general whose wife some US military person stationed in Iran took into his limousine right in the middle of a reception party in Tehran, her powerless husband lowering his gaze in humiliation? Do I need to elaborate?

Yes, these were normal conditions under the US vassal regime you're trying to sugar-coat

never encouraged by government or head of state go to parliament and say its necessary or call them patriots. something between two adult people and by the way not in ww2 time also it didn't happen on cabaret , but want me post about what they did in Mashhad that let to an uprising and attack on boarding house that housed pilgrims from Iraq

Not really. And it's not the first time you're losing track of the discussion thread.

go back and read what you posted ,

It sure did.

say the ones who designed it
When the company wanted to develop their own car, they hired George Turnbull, the former managing director of Austin Morris at British Leyland in 1974.[2] He in turn hired five other top British car engineers, Kenneth Barnett as body designer, engineers John Simpson and Edward Chapman, John Crosthwaite as chassis engineer and Peter Slater as chief development engineer.[3][4] With Turnbull's experience with the Morris Marina,[5] engines and transmissions from Mitsubishi, some parts from the Ford Cortina they were already producing, and a hatchback body styled by Italdesign Giugiaro, they developed the Hyundai Pony.
The Pony was loosely based on both the earlier licence-built Ford Cortinas and the Morris Marina, with former British Leyland engineers being hired by Hyundai to design the car.

So what happened to your "private economy" mantra? Not the panacea you've been making it out to be, eh?

nothing , hundreds of private companies not just one , those private companies were profitable and were expanding business before governmental management after it they began loosing money , many went bankrupt.....

The Iran Khodro owners are private individuals. Watch Okhtapus.

in name only and my source of information is not movies

Nice backtracking, congrats. You went from "the Islamic Republic never believed in diversifying the economy" to "muh, it never materialized until Trump's sanctions".

never backtracked anything again if you go one or two page back you see i clearly stated government every year after the war was promissing cut reliance on the oil in budget and failed , they talked again about it next year and again failed , until the campaign f make Iran Great Again by Obama and Trump

They never happened in your uninformed take. Reality tells a different story though.

reality is clear in Iran budget in the talks in your post if it happened supreme leader didn't had to talk about it 5 time each year to remains government about it.

Addressed that. Your objection's faulty.

yes but with the wrong assumption that iran imports are mainly done by 42000r / Dollar

The rest of your allegations imply that this story too ought to be taken with a pinch of salt pending further research.

name one Iranian school that taught those until amirkabir fixed it

The narrative you've reproduced is scapegoating religious elements, irregardless of their identity. Heard this sort of stuff elsewhere and know what sot of quarters they generally originate from, hence my circumspection.

only in your mind

A brief look at the source of this dubious piece is enough to see through the actual farce it represents.

Some other tendentious questions put to Russians by this YouTube channel:

"Why do you think millions of people left Russia?" ("Why do you think millions of people left Iran?")

"Why did we annex Ukrainian regions if it wasn't the goal?" ("Why did we interfere in regional countries' affairs if it wasn't the goal?")

"Do you know how much we spend on the war?" ("Do you know how much we spend on Gaza and Lebanon?")

"Why is our economy so weak?" ("Why is our economy so weak while it was so strong under the shah?" = "Ask our partners Manoto and Saudi International!")

Enough said. The common enemy is active in Russia through its liberal fifth column as much as it is Iran through the reformists and company. Both Islamic Iran and Russia tolerate this sort of dissent, whose playbook is as old as it is getting tired - turn Iranians against their partners (Russia, China) and allies (the Resistance), turn Russians against Iran and China, Belarus etc. Doesn't make any of it much more credible though, at least to those familiar with NATO and zionist psy-ops / propaganda schemes.

As mr. Khomeyni once said God awaken those who dream of USA , I say to you God awaken who dreams of Russia

 

[Stryker1982]

That's why I posted it.
Most people here seem to forget that Russians are not our friends, have never been, will never be, and in fact, history wise, they have been one of our worst enemies. And they continue to be indifferent towards us and the public opinion has always been negative about Iran.

I would be careful about casting judgment so quickly, you can find plenty of similar videos of Americans, that make it look like Americans are the dumbest people on the planet, but they infact have alot of smart people.

I would say though, most Russians probably know little of Iran, and perhaps they should start to get better aquatinted. We have had a very bad history with them for centuries but we also can't hold grudges in geopolitics and if we have shared interests, then thats great, if we have conflicting interests, then we must defend our position. I don't have any grudge against them, I am only disappointed that they can have a good friend, but don't see it and may not even see us as equals.

Russian media should promote Iran better, and perhaps promote more tourism opportunities between our countries. This is really down to Russian Media not paying much attention to Iran aside from military dimension. It's hard for any European country to get close to Iran, because we are different, simply. They will always be closer to other European people and it is only logical.

 

[SalarHaqq]

never encouraged by government or head of state go to parliament and say its necessary or call them patriots. something between two adult people and by the way not in ww2 time also it didn't happen on cabaret , but want me post about what they did in Mashhad that let to an uprising and attack on boarding house that housed pilgrims from Iraq

Ah, so when stories like these are alleged to have occurred in Mashhad by lying CIA bullhorns like RFE/RL, it's a casus belli. But when Yanks are factually involved - with no mainstream media around to make a fuss about it - it suddenly becomes a matter between "free consenting adults"...!

By the way, the same western propaganda sources were simultaneously bombarding our Iraqi brothers with identical gibberish, only that they were substituting "Iraqi pilgrims in Mashhad" with "Iranian pilgrims in Karbala". Does everyone see the pattern? It's clear as day what insidious game was being played here. They're trying to achieve through means of soft war what they failed at militarily in Syria. Namely, to break apart the Resistance Axis by inciting public opinion in each one of its components against the other.

During WW2, military tents at Niru Havayi indeed. Even female Polish refugees weren't spared! And the cabarets they frequented too in the 1970's, you may ask their Iranian business partners of old who used to take western expats on visits there.

"Never encouraged by the government"... but taking place right under the incapable shah regime's nose. A regime which couldn't even protect the namus of its mighty generals. I wonder how they were feeling afterwards, for looking up to and aping their American patrons / role-modern all those years. Then again, some find merit to the "Man bi-namus hastam" campaign launched as of late by pro-western folk, isn't it?

I'm not one to whitewash the Korean vassal regime. However this is what you get, in varying shapes or forms, when you're the thumb of US imperialists.

say the ones who designed it
When the company wanted to develop their own car, they hired George Turnbull, the former managing director of Austin Morris at British Leyland in 1974.[2] He in turn hired five other top British car engineers, Kenneth Barnett as body designer, engineers John Simpson and Edward Chapman, John Crosthwaite as chassis engineer and Peter Slater as chief development engineer.[3][4] With Turnbull's experience with the Morris Marina,[5] engines and transmissions from Mitsubishi, some parts from the Ford Cortina they were already producing, and a hatchback body styled by Italdesign Giugiaro, they developed the Hyundai Pony.
The Pony was loosely based on both the earlier licence-built Ford Cortinas and the Morris Marina, with former British Leyland engineers being hired by Hyundai to design the car.

So other than the above, there are no components to a car?

nothing , hundreds of private companies not just one , those private companies were profitable and were expanding business before governmental management after it they began loosing money , many went bankrupt.....

And they still amounted to a drop in the bucket of a wholly oil-dependent economy.

Governmental management however ensured transition towards vastly more diversified economics.

in name only and my source of information is not movies

In practice, sir. In practice. My source isn't propaganda either, you know.

never backtracked anything again if you go one or two page back you see i clearly stated government every year after the war was promissing cut reliance on the oil in budget and failed , they talked again about it next year and again failed , until the campaign f make Iran Great Again by Obama and Trump

It appears to me you forewent the previously formulated suggestion that there'd been no motivation on the part of the Islamic Republic to move away from oil. Now the gradual expansion of the non-oil sector was initiated decades before Obama and Trump.

reality is clear in Iran budget in the talks in your post if it happened supreme leader didn't had to talk about it 5 time each year to remains government about it.

The Supreme Leader has been evoking it over years because it's a colossal and extremely challenging long term endeavour, not something that can be achieved at the flick of a finger.

yes but with the wrong assumption that iran imports are mainly done by 42000r / Dollar

Doesn't affect the user's demonstration.

name one Iranian school that taught those until amirkabir fixed it

When I'm done looking into it, I'd hope to be able to determine the historiographical ins and outs of the issue, beyond the mere citing of educational establishments.

only in your mind

And in the minds of those familiar with the Islamic Republic's feats in this field.

As mr. Khomeyni once said God awaken those who dream of USA , I say to you God awaken who dreams of Russia

Highlighting the Supreme Leader's declaration that bilateral ties between Iran and Russia should expand to record levels is synonymous with idealizing Russia? If you say so.

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Russian media should promote Iran better, and perhaps promote more tourism opportunities between our countries. This is really down to Russian Media not paying much attention to Iran aside from military dimension. It's hard for any European country to get close to Iran, because we are different, simply. They will always be closer to other European people and it is only logical.

That YouTube channel doesn't look to be in line with the Russian government. Probably linked to pro-western, Navalny-style oppositionists. We should keep that in mind when assessing its work.