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...with various restrictions in feq as well as in customary law. There's a good reason behind that. Encouraging the trivialization of divorce would be against the aims of Islam, as scholars would confirm.
discouraged but not restricted , the only restriction is when the woman is pregnant. do you aware of any other restriction on it. trivialization against the aim of Islam , restricting access to it is also against the Islam , you are promoting old catholic teaching of before 300-400 years ago . marriage is a sin if , you do it you are doomed to live with each other to the end of your life( well unless you are reach and can go to Vatican , and bribe several cardinal to bring your case in front of his eminence the pop) by putting a quota on divorce and limiting it you sentence young people who are economically weak to live an unhappy and unfulfilled life and for rich people and the people of power , well since when law applied to it they just can buy one of those quotas

and exactly who said encourage divorce , just don't made it exclusive to riches , and don't make it harder than what its now don't make it so hat people go to foreign countries for divorces , as you may now it can be done and then government has to abide by it and can't say we don't accept divorce outside of the country , they just need to go to Pakistan or turkey or iraq or even Armenia and find a cleric there to divorce them and with two witness go to Iran embassy there and say such thing happened , then what you are going to do? at least here if they want to divorce some attempt will be made to stop it and if possible solve their incompatibility issues
 
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Indeed, the US regime has nothing much left other than its oversized propaganda machinery.

And in fact, this is the main lesson Iran has to draw from this conflict. On the ground, Russian performance is impressive. In the soft war realm though, NATO mouthpieces supported by large scale censorship have drowned out Moscow's voice. Russia's PR capabilities are enough to keep domestic support intact, however at the global level they fail to outweigh the enemy.

It can be argued that Russia is more resourceful than Iran in information warfare. Now imagine Iran was fighting a war while the Iranian public was getting exposed to the full range of mainstream media propaganda...

This is why Iran absolutely needs to push ahead with the establishment of a viable national internet option completely separate from the global network, so that in case of an emergency, access to foreign-based anti-Iran propaganda sites can be cut on a moment's notice without compromising the normal operation of daily domestic affairs.
I agree. I've been saying for decades that Iranian messaging apparatus is far from sufficient. Not just for war and defense but broadly conveying the Iranian 'brand'. From culture to science and industry. To this day, Iranian technology is referred to as 'homegrown'. Like a fungus. Heh.
 
wrong , they were not infrequent , they were swept under the carpet.

They were far less frequent in comparison to the modern era. There's a clear correlation between cultural westernization on the one hand, divorce, suicide and plenty of other social ills on the other.

and historically , you suggest women be slave and have no education and having access to no information , in short being ignorant and those ignorant people are supposed to raise the next generation ?

That women used to be "slaves" before the liberal west imposed its norms on the world is a cliché spread by certain elites who aim to uproot and destroy family, religion, nation.

As for raising offspring, mothers don't need specialized higher education to teach their children what they in fact are supposed to. Everything else the children will learn at school, and in universities if they wish to go on studying. I'm not saying women should be barred from extensive education, just that it's not a condition for raising children properly. Motherly instinct and generational transmission already provides for what's needed in this regard.

well , at last you come to what I said , but sadly right now our parliament decided to limit divorce by putting quota on it.

I had mentioned it earlier, that root causes must be tackled upstream. But nonetheless I salute this vote by Majles because in addition to the promotion of traditional lifestyles and efforts to drive back cultural westernization, I would say the current situation does call for gap filling contingency measures.

Divorce must be reduced by limiting underage marriage ,

Underage marriage is illegal by definition. However, before divorce rates went up, the average age of marriage was much lower than it is now. Therefore, young people must be encouraged to marry as early as possible within legal limits. This is a traditional value actually.

discouraged but not restricted , the only restriction is when the woman is pregnant. do you aware of any other restriction on it. trivialization against the aim of Islam , restricting access to it is also against the Islam ,

The biggest restriction is that it is frowned upon by God according to ahadith.

There is a hadith in Mir'at al-'uqul from Imam al-Sadiq (a) according to which, God loves a home in which a married couple lives, and hates a home in which a divorce took place, and there is nothing hated by God more than divorce.

Whilst the Holy Quran suggests that other ways to settle a marital dispute ought to be privileged.

Divorce is not pleasant in the Qur'an as well. The Qur'an 4:35 has recommended that if there is a dispute between a wife and a husband, their relatives should moderate between them and try to make a reconciliation: "and if you fear dissension between the two, send an arbitrator from his people and an arbitrator from her people. If they both desire reconciliation, Allah will cause it between them. Indeed, Allah is ever Knowing and Acquainted [with all things]".

Another considerable restriction is that unlike men, women can only demand divorce on specific, limited grounds.

you are promoting old catholic teaching of before 300-400 years ago .

Not exactly, since in Catholicism any divorce is outright prohibited.

by putting a quota on divorce and limiting it you sentence young people who are economically weak to live an unhappy and unfulfilled life and for rich people and the people of power , well since when law applied to it they just can buy one of those quotas

Divorce rates are higher among relatively affluent people. While the poor must receive material support from the government for other ethical reasons, economic considerations have not traditionally been a cause for divorce. They became so with modernity and the rise of materialism and individualism, both of which must be combated relentlessly.

and exactly who said encourage divorce , just don't made it exclusive to riches ,

The poor are less prone to it. Let's not try and promote it with them too.

and don't make it harder than what its now don't make it so hat people go to foreign countries for divorces , as you may now it can be done and then government has to abide by it and can't say we don't accept divorce outside of the country , they just need to go to Pakistan or turkey or iraq or even Armenia and find a cleric there to divorce them and with two witness go to Iran embassy there and say such thing happened , then what you are going to do? at least here if they want to divorce some attempt will be made to stop it and if possible solve their incompatibility issues

Then a motion must be voted to put an end to such practices whose only purpose is to circumvent the nation's laws. This is obviously a legal loophole and provided political will, it can easily be corrected by the legislative power.
 
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That women used to be "slaves" before the liberal west imposed its norms on the world is a cliché spread by liberal elites who aim to uproot and destroy family, religion, nation.
they were not slave here , go and read about Mashrooteh uprising , there were women between the commanders of uprising who commanded several hundred people . what you suggest is to impose archaic European restriction on our women in the name of Islam and tradition . what you suggest is European tradition not ours or Islam
No, they were much more infrequent than in modern society. There's a clear correlation between cultural westernization on the one hand, divorce, suicide and plenty of other social ills on the other.
don't knew it happens more in rural area than cities
Mothers do not need specialized higher education to teach their children what they are expected to teach them. Everything else the children will learn at school.
that's nonsense , its not fathers who work with children at home it mothers who teach the children when they have problem n their homework and that's beside the point when in our teaching and culture and Islam women are said not to have higher education , where it come they must not control their money or what they poses . all you say is preaching archaic catholic and European teachings
Underage marriage is illegal by definition. However, before divorce rates went up, the average age of marriage was much lower than it is now. Therefore, young people must be encouraged to marry as early as legally allowed. This is a traditional value.
the young people must be encouraged to marry when they understand their duty and rights when they marry , they must be encouraged to marry when they understand when they marry they are sharing their lives and they no longer are individual , they must be encouraged to marry when they can stand on their feet not a second sooner.
and by the way being physically mature is not a good scale for seeing one is underage or not for marriage its more important to be mentally and socially mature.
The biggest restriction is that it is frowned upon by God according to ahadith.

There is a hadith in Mir'at al-'uqul from Imam al-Sadiq (a) according to which, God loves a home in which a married couple lives, and hates a home in which a divorce took place, and there is nothing hated by God more than divorce.
God dislike it but didn't put hurdle in front of the way of people who think they had no option . God dislike lie , how many of our politician tell lies after lies after lies , why you don't do anything about that. by the way ask yourself one thing if its so bad why god didn't put a punishment for it.
Whilst the Holy Quran suggests that other ways to settle a dispute ought to be privileged.

Divorce is not pleasant in the Qur'an as well. The Qur'an 4:35 has recommended that if there is a dispute between a wife and a husband, their relatives should moderate between them and try to make a reconciliation: "and if you fear dissension between the two, send an arbitrator from his people and an arbitrator from her people. If they both desire reconciliation, Allah will cause it between them. Indeed, Allah is ever Knowing and Acquainted [with all things]".
again no mention of putting hurdle in front of the people who failed to find a solution
Another considerable restriction is that unlike men, women can only demand divorce on specific, limited grounds
that's man law not God laws and is fixed many years ago to a large extent
Not really since in Catholicism divorce is outright prohibited.
well some of our law makers are moving in that direction
According to which surah or hadith?
:hitwall: according to traditional Catholics teachings, if it was according to Quran we were not discussing it here
Divorce rates are higher among relatively affluent people. While the poor must be supported for other ethical reasons, economic considerations have not traditionally been a cause for divorce. They became so with modernity and the rise of materialism and individualism, both of which must be combated relentlessly.
that was not cause of divorce when everybody was poor , but when the society become more complex many thing changed . we must plan for now not for a hypothetical society based on dead values
The poor are less prone to it. No need to try and promote it with them too.
no they are not more prone to it , that's something called social pressure that made it they are less prone to it ,on other hand other social problem is a lot more in their families
Then a motion must be voted to put an end to such practices meant to circumvent the law. This is obviously a legal loophole, and it can easily be corrected by the legislative power.
Welcome to Salar dystopic police state . wonder how many of these dystopic future novel have you read ?

by the way , its something related to Fiqh this matter is far more delicate than let some Minister or MP or even president mess with it . it must discussed in
between grand ayatollahs in Qom . what constitute a divorce ? registering it in a book or the ceremony being held by a just person in front of two witness and two party agree to it.
can you consider the man and woman as husband and wife if they travel to India there they hold the ceremony in front of several witness ? can you tell them from your point of vie you are still married and cant pursue another marriage ?
 
I agree. I've been saying for decades that Iranian messaging apparatus is far from sufficient. Not just for war and defense but broadly conveying the Iranian 'brand'. From culture to science and industry. To this day, Iranian technology is referred to as 'homegrown'. Like a fungus. Heh.
Right on the spot...Do you know why Iran's PR is so weak..It is because Iran treats international PR as just another issue that can be overcome by "domestic" know how......wrong... wrong.... wrong...This is one domain that you need to have "western" English, French etc native experts....Only an American PR expert can tell you how a message will resonate with their public..how you package the message, and how you deliver it...sorry to say this but a black, islamic veiled women in "Press TV" giving Iran's message to the International European/American audience will have opposite effect....
They should talk to Aljazeera, RT and Sputnik International to get some idea where to start...they are so far behind in this domain.

PS: I am with you on that "home grown" shit:hitwall::hitwall:
 

The huge South Pars field is a major supplier of Iranian natural gas. This field, which is shared with Qatar, produces about 70 per cent of Iran's gas, which will reach the second half of its life next year and, if the current platforms of 1,500 tons are not replaced with 20,000-ton platforms capable of carrying huge compressors, the production of the tank will be reduced by 10 billion cubic meters every year. This technology is only in the hands of a few European giants. It seems that Total France signed a contract for the construction of such platforms for phase 11 of South Pars, but it abandoned the project with a loss of 45 million Euros after US sanctions

To maintain South Pars production, Iran needs at least 15 20,000-ton platforms, each costing $2.5 billion to build.



Does anyone know if Chinese firms or Gazprom can produce these 20,000 ton platforms? I know Iran produces some off-shore drilling platforms, but not sure the size.

I doubt Russia will help Iran become an natural gas export giant. That would be basically a self inflicted wound to itself losing Europe as a big client.
I hope Iran will not be able to export or sell a penny of natural reserves. Not until it's entirely weened from its ditch-digger habits.
 
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To this day, Iranian technology is referred to as 'homegrown'. Like a fungus. Heh.
This is rather indicative which I have pointed in the past a while ago. Iranian tech is treated as like a plant that can grow anywhere and what is tragic Iranian homegrown media outlets are unaware of some shit words and phrases they are throwing like eggs on some hated peasants.
 
I like to see what they are showing in Qatar expo..
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