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In less than a week the Taliban took Afghanistan. Talk about a lightning offensive. The Afghan security forces did not even put up a fight in most cases. The only thing preventing the Taliban from taking Kabul will be the American troops in the city.

The Taliban will probably wait until the US pulls out and then roll into Kabul without much of a fight. How much do you want to bet that Ashraf Ghani already has already booked his ticket ? It's over. The Taliban won.

 
The noose has tightened around Kabul. Mazar Sharif fell today after Herat and Kandahar fell yesterday. Only US troops are preventing the fall of Kabul. After they withdraw Kabul will fall.

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By the start of next week close to 20% of Iran's eligible population will have received 1 dose of the Covid-19 vaccine, with more than 4% having received 2 shots.

Right now Iran is producing more than 5 million doses monthly of its own homemade vaccine, Barekat. In the next few months Iran will produce 20 million doses a month.

At the current rate, by the start of September, close to 30% will have received 1 shot with close to 6% or more having received 2 shots. In September the vaccination drive will go into full swing.

The daily deaths seem to have also reached a peak. Hopefully the number of deaths will only go down from now.

Compared to the leading countries Iran is behind by a few months. However compared to the average nation, in the next few months Iran will surge far ahead.

In the next few months Iran will also begin selling and distributing vaccines to foreign countries. This will be a great service to humanity. The western nations may not recognize it but the world will be thankful.

You said this all before a six day lockdown started and after several unexplained slowdowns in vaccine production while officials spend their time blaming each other for not importing enough vaccines. This is a pandemic, not the automobile industry, there is no time to sit around for mass production to begin while people die enmass. Raisi just confirmed the import of 30 million doses himself.

There is no excuse for this and the lax enforcement of restrictions that climaxed in crowded muharram commenerations that directly allowed for the infection and deaths of hundreds of thousands of Iranians.

 
Well it's not like I'm making it up. These are official figures. You can look them up yourself. There are 700 deaths a day in the USA right now and that number is increasing daily. They're not even close to the peak yet. The Indian (Delta) variant is simply too contagious.

All of the countries in the world are trying to purchase Covid-19 vaccines right now. There is a limit to how much every country can get their hands on. Investing in Iranian made vaccines was the right choice in the long run.

You said this all before a six day lockdown started and after several unexplained slowdowns in vaccine production while officials spend their time blaming each other for not importing enough vaccines. This is a pandemic, not the automobile industry, there is no time to sit around for mass production to begin while people die enmass. Raisi just confirmed the import of 30 million doses himself.

There is no excuse for this and the lax enforcement of restrictions that climaxed in crowded muharram commenerations that directly allowed for the infection and deaths of hundreds of thousands of Iranians.

 
Well it's not like I'm making it up. These are official figures. You can look them up yourself. There are 700 deaths a day in the USA right now and that number is increasing daily. They're not even close to the peak yet. The Indian (Delta) variant is simply too contagious.

All of the countries in the world are trying to purchase Covid-19 vaccines right now. There is a limit to how much every country can get their hands on. Investing in Iranian made vaccines was the right choice in the long run.

Official figures yes, accurate figures, absolutely not.


آنچه گفته شد این است که تعداد زیادی از موارد بیماری را تشخیص نمی‌دهیم و به عبارتی موارد ما بیش از چیزی است که گزارش می‌کنیم. از طرفی مرگ‌هایی هم که به عنوان مرگ قطعی کووید۱۹ اعلام می‌کنیم همان‌هایی است که تست‌شان مثبت شده است؛ پس نه تعداد مرگ‌ها و نه تعداد ابتلاها واقعی نیست. البته واقعی نبودن به معنای گزارش جعلی نیست؛ بلکه بر اساس تعریف ارائه شده می‌بایست تعداد تست بیشتری انجام می‌دادیم اما به هر دلیلی این اتفاق نیفتاده است.

The supply of vaccine imports is finite, but that goes for domestic production as well which has fell far short of promises. Vaccine importations were actively opposed by the health ministry.

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فروردین ماه امسال همه مقدمات واردات شش میلیون دوز واکسن را با موافقت رئیس جمهور و ستاد کرونای تهران طی کردیم، اما به دلایلی که تاکنون برای ما مشخص نگردیده، وزارت بهداشت مانع از انجام کار شد.

Caution and contingencies were thrown to the wind and now Iran is in the throes of the fifth wave with no peak in sight as this can only be determined when cases begin declining (refer to the ISNA article). Medical staff are emigrating at much higher rates than pre pandemic, further exacerbating the crisis. And for what, so officials could boast of domestic sufficiency?
 
Iran has bought tens of millions of doses of vaccines from various sources. This can be verified by the WHO. If you don't want to believe it then you don't have to. If you want to believe only in sources that reaffirm your own preconceived notions then that is your choice.

I've even spoken to people who refuse to believe that Iran has been able to produce its own vaccine. They claim that Khamenei was injected with water rather than a vaccine and that Iran's vaccines, even if they are real, are not trustworthy and surely inferior to western variants. These belief systems are pretty much forms of confirmation bias but it is often impossible to change peoples minds.

I've heard that some people in Iran are wiling to pay up to $2000 dollars for a supposed foreign made vaccine on the streets rather than trust their own government and Doctors. Meanwhile some people in western countries who have received 2 doses of Pfizer or Moderna are still getting infected with Covid-19

The 5th wave was inevitable after the Indian (delta) variant began spreading all over the world. Iran is not the only country experiencing a new wave because of the Indian variant. Many nations where the majority have vaccinated are also being devastated. USA for example, like I said 700 a day and the numbers are skyrocketing right now. In the US right now many hospitals are beyond full capacity and professionals (nurses for example) quitting because of work fatigue is common even in western countries.

You know what's interesting. In many countries that have a surplus of vaccines, large portions of the populations refuse to receive vaccines at all. In countries where there aren't enough vaccines people whine and complain about not having access to vaccines. Sometimes I think that some people just want to complain and can't be made content no matter what the circumstances. Like the old saying goes "it's always greener on the other side"

In China they have a zero tolerance policy towards vaccines. They shut down entire buildings, entire cities and they test millions of people at a time. Yet despite this there are people complaining that China's zero tolerance policy is evil and authoritarian and cruel.

Look every option has a downside and negative aspects but at the end of the day when countries that are US allies and are not sanctioned cannot acquire enough vaccines, then how many could Iran acquire ? Are MRNA vaccines even suitable for Iran ? How many MRNA vaccine does Iran have the capacity to purchase from the US and distribute ? There is a reason why many US allies have turned to China to supply them rather than the USA. So considering all that then wasn't it a better long term choice for Iran to purchase and also produce vaccines ?

I mean think about it, many of the suppliers which Iran purchased vaccines from have not been able to deliver on time. This is because after what happened in India many countries shifted to vaccinating their own populations rather than selling vaccines out of fear.

It's also because in some cases, for various reasons, even large scale suppliers cannot live up to their expected quotas. For example Iran ordered 60 million doses from Russia alone but they have not lived up to their quotas. Neither has China or other nations which Iran has ordered from. So wasn't it a good idea for Iran to produce its own to fill the gap ?

I can guarantee that even if Iran was strictly focused on purchasing vaccines and even if Iran was not producing any vaccines, there would be people complaining saying that they did not do a good enough job. Like I said some people always want to complain and blame and point the finger. Again at the end of the day it's your choice whether you want to look at the big picture or not.

Official figures yes, accurate figures, absolutely not.


آنچه گفته شد این است که تعداد زیادی از موارد بیماری را تشخیص نمی‌دهیم و به عبارتی موارد ما بیش از چیزی است که گزارش می‌کنیم. از طرفی مرگ‌هایی هم که به عنوان مرگ قطعی کووید۱۹ اعلام می‌کنیم همان‌هایی است که تست‌شان مثبت شده است؛ پس نه تعداد مرگ‌ها و نه تعداد ابتلاها واقعی نیست. البته واقعی نبودن به معنای گزارش جعلی نیست؛ بلکه بر اساس تعریف ارائه شده می‌بایست تعداد تست بیشتری انجام می‌دادیم اما به هر دلیلی این اتفاق نیفتاده است.

The supply of vaccine imports is finite, but that goes for domestic production as well which has fell far short of promises. Vaccine importations were actively opposed by the health ministry.

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فروردین ماه امسال همه مقدمات واردات شش میلیون دوز واکسن را با موافقت رئیس جمهور و ستاد کرونای تهران طی کردیم، اما به دلایلی که تاکنون برای ما مشخص نگردیده، وزارت بهداشت مانع از انجام کار شد.

Caution and contingencies were thrown to the wind and now Iran is in the throes of the fifth wave with no peak in sight as this can only be determined when cases begin declining (refer to the ISNA article). Medical staff are emigrating at much higher rates than pre pandemic, further exacerbating the crisis. And for what, so officials could boast of domestic sufficiency?
 
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The automobile industry in Iran is privately owned and managed. I would recommend watching the outstanding documentary "Octopus", whose director conducted serious empirical research into the corrupt practices of IKCO shareholders, who are essentially liberal-minded private investors rather than government agencies:
Go and see which holdings havethe share of Iran khodro and who own them , who is the ceo and....
 
Watch Afghanistan today to see what is coming tomorrow:

This is how Mazloum Abdi will run away.
This is how Eden will fall to Houthis.
This is how Taiwan falls to China.
 
Usury is banned in most developed countries. I'm talking about loaning money at extremely high rates of interest. That's the definition of usury right ?

However in this day and age to ban the practice of loaning in general doesn't make sense since loans lead to increased business activity / financial growth and interest rates are tied to inflation rates.

By usury, I meant interest in general. Loaning is not banned however, only interests are. The ban is very much non-negotiable in Islam. I am aware of the subterfuge that consists in invoking inflation, but several maraje' issued fatwas declaring that the current system still amounts to "reba'" ie is not sufficiently conforming to Islamic principles.

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Go and see which holdings havethe share of Iran khodro and who own them , who is the ceo and....

It functions as a private company. The identity of these individuals won't change this as long as they don't act on behalf of the state or government nor receive instructions from the latter. Also watch the documentary, the shareholders responsible for the scam described in the film did not hold government positions.
 
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