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Tbh, whoever is complaining about Rouhani wearing silk or whatever from Italy WHILE ON OFFICIAL DUTY is probably bored or needs new hobbies. lol.
If your big complaint about your president is that he buys and wears expensive silk from ITALY, trust me, you have a really good president, especially for a developing country.
If your big complaint about your president is that he buys and wears expensive silk from ITALY, trust me, you have a really good president, especially for a developing country.
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The issue that persists for the republic is does it want growth or does it want to extend its influence. Having both in a dollar dominated US economic world is unrealistic.
No country has been able to free itself from the US. Some naive observers may point to China, but China holds trillions in treasury Bond of US. Also US/EU is China’s biggest economic partners. China grew because it became the workhorse (slave economy) of Western consumerism. Your phones, tablets, toys, clothes, material possessions was built with Chinese slave labor.
Today as China tries to transition to a consumer based economy and rely less on global trade it becomes quite clear that China cannot break completely free from the West.
Now compare this to Iran where the recent draconian sanctions has reduced all gains the Islamic Republic has on the average persons income and purchasing power.
Resistance economy is good in theory although theoretical. Iran cannot expect its 80M+ economy to supply all its growth. It will grow anemically at that rate.
So we are at a crossroads my friends:
IRGC favors growing influence
More pragmatic factions favor growth
In this day and age you cannot survive being cut off from the global financial system, much like a baby cannot be cut off from nutrients and milk and expected to grow into his/her full potential.
As for solutions it’s tough. US is not a reliable negotiator and the Chinese and Russians are terrible allies of Iran and cannot be counted on to shield and help Iran prosper.
The only thing that can help Iran....is a growing more expansionist China which will force US to abandon Iranian containment and pull Iran back over to the West to once again be the bulwark against the Red wave of Communist Capitalism in the Middle East.
In short: China has to threaten the Global Order so much that two paths open up:
*Iran joining China to cause a bi-polar world and receiving significant economic benefits to assist China in this aim
*Iran joining the West to contain the Red Wave of China from sweeping across the world and receiving significant economic benefits to assist the West in this aim
These two scenarios would allow the Republic to once again have foreign inflows and investment and contribute to a period of significant economic growth.
No country has been able to free itself from the US. Some naive observers may point to China, but China holds trillions in treasury Bond of US. Also US/EU is China’s biggest economic partners. China grew because it became the workhorse (slave economy) of Western consumerism. Your phones, tablets, toys, clothes, material possessions was built with Chinese slave labor.
Today as China tries to transition to a consumer based economy and rely less on global trade it becomes quite clear that China cannot break completely free from the West.
Now compare this to Iran where the recent draconian sanctions has reduced all gains the Islamic Republic has on the average persons income and purchasing power.
Resistance economy is good in theory although theoretical. Iran cannot expect its 80M+ economy to supply all its growth. It will grow anemically at that rate.
So we are at a crossroads my friends:
IRGC favors growing influence
More pragmatic factions favor growth
In this day and age you cannot survive being cut off from the global financial system, much like a baby cannot be cut off from nutrients and milk and expected to grow into his/her full potential.
As for solutions it’s tough. US is not a reliable negotiator and the Chinese and Russians are terrible allies of Iran and cannot be counted on to shield and help Iran prosper.
The only thing that can help Iran....is a growing more expansionist China which will force US to abandon Iranian containment and pull Iran back over to the West to once again be the bulwark against the Red wave of Communist Capitalism in the Middle East.
In short: China has to threaten the Global Order so much that two paths open up:
*Iran joining China to cause a bi-polar world and receiving significant economic benefits to assist China in this aim
*Iran joining the West to contain the Red Wave of China from sweeping across the world and receiving significant economic benefits to assist the West in this aim
These two scenarios would allow the Republic to once again have foreign inflows and investment and contribute to a period of significant economic growth.
Houthis claim new drone strike on Abha airport, southern Saudi Arabia
YPG/PKK along with Afrin LIberation Forces launch a rocket into Turkey and launch several raids into Turkish controlled Syrian territory killing several Turkish backed militants
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The Turks are not happy and respond by bombing everything in sight
YPG/PKK along with Afrin LIberation Forces launch a rocket into Turkey and launch several raids into Turkish controlled Syrian territory killing several Turkish backed militants
Turkey: 2 rockets fired by YPG militants held areas in Syria landed in Kilis. No casualties reported. One rocket hit in empty land and other one hit a building Kilis - Map of Syrian Civil War - Syria news and incidents today - syria.liveuamap.com
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Multiple members of the TFSA group Liwa 'Asifat al Shamal killed and wounded tonight near Azaz in clashes with the Afrin Liberation Forces. A'zaz, Aleppo Governorate - Map of Syrian Civil War - Syria news and incidents today - syria.liveuamap.com
Multiple members of the TFSA group Liwa 'Asifat al Shamal killed and wounded tonight near Azaz in clashes with the Afrin Liberation Forces.. Explore Syrian Civil War news on live map in English. Civil war and International intervention in Syria. War on terrorism in Syria
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Intense clashes near Marea amidst reports that the Afrin Liberation Forces have raided TFSA positions Mare', Aleppo Governorate - Map of Syrian Civil War - Syria news and incidents today - syria.liveuamap.com
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The Turks are not happy and respond by bombing everything in sight
Regarding expansionist China and bipolar world---it will take 15-20 years before China will build a Navy that can project power globally or reach military parity with US. Until then, Iran will be left alone against US.
Regarding Iran----in order to have significant economic growth you need to:
1) export oil-----and with US sanctions, Asian countries (including China) will not be buying Iranian oil
2) Receive Foreign investments: --as of 2019, foreigners invested 180bln$ in Turkey and only 50bln$ in Iran (mainly in its oil sector)---this goes to show that because of sanctions there will be no more foreign investments even in Iran's oil sector
3) borrow money from international capital markets ----Turkey borrowed and invested into its economy 438bln$ (external debt) and Iran's external debt is only 8bln$--which goes to show that isolation from international capital markets prevented Iran from attracting foreign capital for the purpose of domestic industrialisation.
In the medium and long term, US Sanctions will result in prolonged stagnation and degradation of Iranian economy and Iran needs to do something in order to lift these sanctions.
There are 4 scenarios:
1) Iran and US will return to old JCPOA (unlikely)
2) Iran will give up its ballistic missiles and regional influence in order to lift US sanctions (unlikely)
3) Iran will build ICBM and boost uranium enrichment and plutonium production and act as a belligerent power in the Persian Gulf that threatens maritime traffic, thus blackmailing the USA and forcing it to return to old JCPOA--but this can result in a military collision with USA.
4) New negotiations will result in prolonged version of JCPOA until 2035----this will allow Iran to win time for modernization of Iranian economy while hoping that a new bipolar world will emerge by 2035---this is the best option but there is a need for guarantees that US will not withdraw from new agreement.
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1) China is buying 1 million barrels a day from Iran right now. That is what the Chinese are openly admitting. It's a known fact that China always buys much more from Iran than the numbers they openly admit to. Realistically Iran is now selling at 70-80% of pre sanctions levels. According to the world bank Iran's economy is growing in the next 2 years. Sanctions have largely failed. That's the truth believe it or not.
2) Foreign investment comes with strings attached. It's not worth it if they want to impose uneven and unfair terms on Iran. Iranians are not subhuman and shouldn't be treated like it by westerners who still think they live during the colonial era where gunboat diplomacy reigned supreme
3) Debt is not a good thing. Turkey doesn't have that much debt compared to its GDP but they have to pay back all of the loans in EUR/USD while they generate revenue in Liras. 15 years ago 1 USD = 1.2 LIRA. Now 1 USD = 7.3 Lira. You do the math. It's basically economic slavery.
Iran tried to negotiate with the west and the result was an unfair treaty. The western nations are actively boosting their nuclear stockpiles while they point the finger at Iran. Despite this Iran went along with this terribly unfair deal. We saw the end result. In the end the Americans weren't satisfied and they will never be satisfied until Iran bends the knee and takes orders like a good vassal.
The best long term solution is for Iranians to grow some balls and say "enough unfair and uneven treaties like the terms imposed on China after the Opium wars" Iran should join the nuclear club as quickly as possible. Remember China only got to where it is today by first going to war against the US in Korea, standing their ground, then going through decades of hardship. For a long time Taiwan had China's seat at the UN. Can you believe that ? Before China could acquire prosperity, they had to acquire security.
Eventually the west will have to come to terms with it. The future is going to be a multipolar world and the longer countries like the US and UK try to hold onto old, false perceptions of inherent superiority, the more detrimental it will be for them in the long run.
2) Foreign investment comes with strings attached. It's not worth it if they want to impose uneven and unfair terms on Iran. Iranians are not subhuman and shouldn't be treated like it by westerners who still think they live during the colonial era where gunboat diplomacy reigned supreme
3) Debt is not a good thing. Turkey doesn't have that much debt compared to its GDP but they have to pay back all of the loans in EUR/USD while they generate revenue in Liras. 15 years ago 1 USD = 1.2 LIRA. Now 1 USD = 7.3 Lira. You do the math. It's basically economic slavery.
Iran tried to negotiate with the west and the result was an unfair treaty. The western nations are actively boosting their nuclear stockpiles while they point the finger at Iran. Despite this Iran went along with this terribly unfair deal. We saw the end result. In the end the Americans weren't satisfied and they will never be satisfied until Iran bends the knee and takes orders like a good vassal.
The best long term solution is for Iranians to grow some balls and say "enough unfair and uneven treaties like the terms imposed on China after the Opium wars" Iran should join the nuclear club as quickly as possible. Remember China only got to where it is today by first going to war against the US in Korea, standing their ground, then going through decades of hardship. For a long time Taiwan had China's seat at the UN. Can you believe that ? Before China could acquire prosperity, they had to acquire security.
Eventually the west will have to come to terms with it. The future is going to be a multipolar world and the longer countries like the US and UK try to hold onto old, false perceptions of inherent superiority, the more detrimental it will be for them in the long run.
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Zarif completely blamed JCPOA garbage on Khamenei when he was summoned to Majlis by MPs.He was fool but it wasn’t his fault when the retards in imam Ali army so the devil muayawia made a trick of racing the Quran the khawarj told imam Ali to stop the fight and do the tahkeem but after the dirty trick from Amr bin al As they went back to imam Ali and told him he was right but he was also wrong for letting them doing the tahkeem even though they asked for it in the first place!!. Imam Ali wanted ibn Abbas to do the tahkeem but the khawarij wanted abu musa al ashari even though abu musa was against imam Ali from the beginning when he stoped many people to join him in the battle of the Jamal.
today is the same story I bet rouhani will blame khamenai for his failure when khamenai said the west is not trustable they assisted on negotiating anyway now when he tells them they he was right they going to tell him but you approved the negation with the west
That's the same story, i Remember general Soleimani said that when ever we surrounded ISIS in Syria, we immediately received orders from Tehran to back Off and we were forced into making ceasefire with terrorists. He pointed to Rouhani and Erdogan agreements without mentioning names.
Terrorists after the ceasefire received requirements from Turkey and then attacked Iranian/Syrian forces. We had experienced Seffein in Syria not once but for tens of times before complete destruction of ISIS in Syria.
Houthis take more positions near Marib. Saudi resistance crumbling.
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Houthis now at the gates of Marib. It seems likely that Marib will fall to the Houthis but only time will tell.
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Honestly if the Houthis take Marib, it's likely that the rest of Yemen like Taiz, which is already surrounded and Aden, will be next. Then all that would be left would be the eastern areas, mostly rural areas controlled by Al Qaeda.
This is extremely humiliating for the Saudis. If Marib falls they're going to be beyond disgraced. It's almost as if MBS is digging a hole or grave deeper and deeper for himself. Isn't his father going to come in sooner or later and take away his spoiled sons toys ?
Military sources: Violent battles on the outskirts of Sarwah, north of Marib, after an attack by the Houthis in which they took control of Yemeni army positions Ma'rib Governorate - Interactive map of Yemen war - Yemen news live map- yemen.liveuamap.
Military sources: Violent battles on the outskirts of Sarwah, north of Marib, after an attack by the Houthis in which they took control of Yemeni army positions. Yemen Civil war and Saudi-led intervention news on live map in English
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Houthis now at the gates of Marib. It seems likely that Marib will fall to the Houthis but only time will tell.
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Yemen: Houthis rebels take strategic position near Marib. Yemen Civil war and Saudi-led intervention news on live map in English
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Honestly if the Houthis take Marib, it's likely that the rest of Yemen like Taiz, which is already surrounded and Aden, will be next. Then all that would be left would be the eastern areas, mostly rural areas controlled by Al Qaeda.
This is extremely humiliating for the Saudis. If Marib falls they're going to be beyond disgraced. It's almost as if MBS is digging a hole or grave deeper and deeper for himself. Isn't his father going to come in sooner or later and take away his spoiled sons toys ?
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It is normal for companies and government of a country to borrow funds from abroad and fund high return projects at home that generate growth and create jobs---this is especially the case for developing countries that usually tend to have inadequate domestic savings
Debt is not good if it used to fund consumption rather than high return investments
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Well Turkeys external debt is approx 60% of their GDP which is not that bad but factor in the penalties that have to be paid because of their depreciating currency and their debt is really several times higher.
Considering the recent crash of oil prices, Covid-19, sanctions, Iran's currency depreciation issues, having less debt for Iran is like having a strong core for an athlete. Look at the US and how debt is crippling them. Iran is honestly better off with little to no debt.
Considering the recent crash of oil prices, Covid-19, sanctions, Iran's currency depreciation issues, having less debt for Iran is like having a strong core for an athlete. Look at the US and how debt is crippling them. Iran is honestly better off with little to no debt.
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Italy most likely doesnt make the Abaa...its probably the fabric that comes from Italy then the Abaa is sewn/created in Iran? thats my guess of whats happening. why u all so stuck that a whole Iranian president is wearing an Abaa made in Italy??? U guys want a whole as* Iranian presido to dress like Yemen or Mali /broke country president???? Rouhani's peers in other countries rae doing a whole ot worse, dont forget Ntanyahu sleeps in a >$100k bed....
Houthi military spokesman: We targeted Aramco in Riyadh with 6 drones that hit their targets with high accuracy Sana'a, Capital Municipality - Interactive map of Yemen war - Yemen news live map- yemen.liveuamap.com
Houthi military spokesman: We targeted Aramco in Riyadh with 6 drones that hit their targets with high accuracy. Yemen Civil war and Saudi-led intervention news on live map in English
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Saudi TV: An official source at the Ministry of Energy condemns the attack on the Riyadh refinery by drones Riyadh, Riyadh Province - Interactive map of Yemen war - Yemen news live map- yemen.liveuamap.com
Saudi TV: An official source at the Ministry of Energy condemns the attack on the Riyadh refinery by drones. Yemen Civil war and Saudi-led intervention news on live map in English
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Official source at the Saudi Ministry of Energy: Control of the fire at the Riyadh refinery, no injuries or deaths, and the supply of petroleum and its derivatives was not affected Riyadh, Riyadh Province - Interactive map of Yemen war - Yemen news l
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They hit Aramco again. LOL. First they took positions on the outskirts of Marib today, now they hit Aramco again.
WOW These Houthis are really something. Honestly if they have a few years to build up, with hundreds of drones and missiles in their arsenal and well drilled troops, I wouldn't be surprised if they could take Saudi territory. Honestly the Saudis are sh#ting themselves right now.
Saudi Arabia wants to buy Turkey’s armed drones: Erdogan
Turkey’s president also voices displeasure at Riyadh’s joint air exercises with its longstanding rival Greece.
And here's the proof of the Saudi meltdown.
The Saudis already have a contract worth billions to build Chinese CH-4 Rainbow drones in Saudi Arabia and they've recently sent their airforce to conduct joint aerial exercises with Greece, Turkey's arch rival in the Mediterranean.
So honestly this move wouldn't make any sense. I mean maybe it's because of all those Turkish drones that have been shot down in Yemen recently ? Perhaps they want them to be replaced ?
Hmmm... I mean Saudis already have a large, modern airforce and access to CH-4 drones, so would it really be worth it for them to buy Turkish drones now as well ? I mean sure UAVs are much cheaper to operate and hit targets, but they're also much more vulnerable to being shot down compared to fighter jets.
With all that in mind, considering the costs of procurement and training and potential losses, I don't really see this as being worth it for the Saudis.
It seems that they're now in absolute panic move and just trying to throw everything but the kitchen sink at the Houthis ?
Honestly right now their best option is to sign a ceasefire and get out of Yemen. The longer it goes on the worse it seems to get for the Saudis.
Like I said, MBS is digging himself a hole/grave deeper and deeper. Sooner or later his father might have to come, give him a good slap and take away his toys and privileges. Just tell him to go play with his expensive yatchs for a while.
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