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Incompetence and being relatively content with the status quo due to the difficulty of wrangling cats that is the EU is probably the most likely reason.

I see "EU Russian Energy Dependence" talked about alot, but the facts on the ground say that Europe is very close to the middle east geographically and a pipeline could be done if they wanted to pay more than the Russians are charging.
Indeed. It's incompetence and satisfaction with the status quo, but the status quo is in no way in favor of the EU, or Europe.

Well, unlike the United States who "has it all", Europe has some serious issues for continuing to remain relevant in the future world order. The United States has access to vast energy resources (including Canada), minerals, a highly skilled labor force that remains highly skilled through immigration, and freshwater. Russia also has access to vast energy resources, minerals, a highly skilled labor force, and freshwater. China has some mild issues with freshwater (and it's working on them very seriously), and a serious lack of access to energy resources, but it has access to insanely cheap and highly skilled labor. China is trying to address its needs continuously by projects like the Green Great Wall of China, its 25 year agreement with Iran or the Belt and Road initiative, among many others.

Europe on the other hand has only freshwater. Minerals? Not much. Energy? Not really. Highly skilled labor? Not anymore. Any plans that can secure its interests in future? Not any that I know of. It's just wasting time while all its competitors are rapidly developing with short-term and long-term plans.

Europe is dying. More and more people are seeing it these days.
 
Being an engineer I am not into hyperbole but FACTS. Some of your points may be valid theoretically, but Russian actions on the ground in Syria and defence sales to Iran prove otherwise.

1. Russia provided Iran with antiquated S-300 after a decade of wrangling and Iran even had to take them to court for delivery.

2. Russia never provided spare parts for the old systems like Kilo subs, SU-24 and Mi9 29. Even modernization kits for the T-72 were not provided.

I admit that I was unaware of the exact details of how Russia and Iran have not been on the same page when it comes to military hardware procurements. But what I can tell you that the last decade and a half, Russia has been moving away from the West (america/britain/france). From a historical standpoint, Russia has leaned toward Europe in a significant way and has been betrayed numerous times. In particular by the british and it is the latter who has swayed the direct state to state relations of america since World War One.

Over the last 30 years, Russia has gone from nearly being turned into another Argentina by the West. To a country which has weened itself off of Natural Resources based economy. Russia has re-established it's agricultural base, to become for most parts, independent of the West. Russia has also continually been selling it's dollar reserves and replacing it with Gold. Over the last decade alone, Russia has been one of the highest purchaser of Gold over the last decade.

All this effort has been to blunt any and all Western Sanctions imposed on Russia over the past decade and a half. So Russia would not have been in a position to challenge the by helping Iran in the way they (the West) have been helping its allies. Since american dollar is under treaty between the saudi-najdi state to sell oil globally in their currency, it has an unlimited means to arm it's Middle East allies, israel and others like Chile, with fighter-jets, tanks, missiles, warships and etc.

Syria has been attacked over 1,000 times by Zionists and and they even downed a Russian surveillance il-20 with a loss of dozen of so Russian airmen but even that did not elicit a response. Just yesterday, the Zionists used civilian aircraft cover to launch stand off missiles at Palmyra airbase but no early warning or response.

Yes this is true, if anyone has taken the time to study the Syrian War, would know that the West has made it into a "pit of vipers" with aggressor states such as america, britain, france, israel, turkey and the najdi-states have been funneling through terrorists as well as established military presence on the sovereign territory of Syria. The West was almost successful in turning Syria into Libya. Only reason why they did not succeed was because Russia (not China, not Iran, not Egypt) entered the conflict on invitation by the Syrian Government and established it's military presence. In effect turning the tide in favor of Syria which had all but lost over 60% of it's sovereign territory to Western backed terrorists such as ISIS, Nusra, HTS and of course not forgetting AQ.

Russia has been continually attacked from all ends, economic, strategic and political. Given the ferocity and relentlessness of Western attacks on Russia. It is a miracle that Russia has managed to not only survive these vicious attacks. But also managed to stabilize and has started to overtake the West in terms of technology, the "tip of the spear" the West has had exclusive superiority over the rest of the world for half a century. Today it is Russia who has surpassed the West, being the first in deploying combat ready Hypersonic Missiles.

The Cold War has important lessons for Russia which it has learnt from and has devised a strategy which is effectively defeating Western hegemony in Syria, in the Donbass region, in Crimea, in the Pacific with China, in Europe with the Natural Gas supplies and etc. Russia will not get dragged into a spending frenzy for arms race with the West, as history tells us that america can and has outspent every other nation on the planet, combined.

So I am not that sure about Russia being free of Zionist influence. Putin was best buddies with Nethanyahu who has visited him monthly.

Ever head of the term "keep your friends close and your enemies closer"? That netenyahu is a spineless p!glet and every country's leader knows this. Heck even Obama and Sarkozy were caught on a hot mic trash talking this israeli p!glet they call a prime minister. Russia has maintained it's stance that it was the one which won WW2 by successfully and single handedly defeating Nazis on the Eastern Front.

That liar, murderer, b@stard-child of Dajjal state called israel has it's days numbered. They will be riding high with the pseudo armor of invincibility and then in the snap of the moment the wool will be removed from their eyes and then their end will come, as Nabi Muhammad Alaihi Salaat-u-Wassalam (taking center stage in history) has stated that it will be a Muslim Army that will destroy israel. So don't worry about these p!g-israelis getting cozy with Russia, as Russia is Orthodox Christian and they know who attempted to murder the Messiah, Nabi Isa Alaihi Salam.

So Russian actions will show if they have changed their tune or not. I am not that sure considering there are 1.5 million Ukrainian and Russian so-called "Jews" in occupied Palestine who have strong influence on Russian policies, especially with the oligarchs.

Time will tell .... I follow Nabi Muhammad Alaihi Salaat-u-Wassalam and He has stated that the closest in affection to Muslims in their darkest hour, will be them .... Christians ... the Real Ones!

Russia is no longer a global power, largely due to demographics and weak economy, but is trying hard to keep an image.

Russia has managed to successfully defeat the combined (WB/IMF/Wall-Street/CIA/allied-states) Western assaults over the last 30 years. Not once has the West managed to succeed in "regime change" in Russia. The Russian Federation has become a visible country which has stability and effective strengthened military power. It has the largest nuclear weapons arsenal on the planet, it also is the first and so far only country (maybe China as well, but I am unaware) on the planet to field combat ready Hypersonic Missiles on Warships, Combat Aircraft, Transport Erector Launchers and Silos.

The West can keep telling itself the beautiful lies that Russia is weak and powerless. It will be one part of which will contribute to their oblivion. That is as things stand, from a perspective unhinged from the Western brainwashing.
 
But France, Italy, Sweden, UK, Germany, Ukraine, Turkey are all doing Business with Pakistan which is also considered a threat to Israel. In fact Pakistan is the only Muslim nuclear power which can destroy Israel. So selling arms to Iran will be a lesser threat compared to selling arms to Pakistan. Am I missing something here?

Of Iran and Pakistan, which one is currently more involved in challenging the zionist regime? Unlike Pakistan, Iran has no overarching enemy such as India to worry about in the first place and dedicate most of its resources toward. Nor is Pakistan arming the Palestinian and Lebanese Resistance. Pakistani forces or allies aren't present at the borders to Occupied Palestine. And so on. So while the regime in Tel Aviv might not like Pakistan either (it certainly doesn't), its foremost priority and target, as reflected in its daily obsessive discourse, in its foreign policy as well as in its lobbying activities, is Iran.
 
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Of Iran and Pakistan, which one is currently more involved in challenging the zionist regime? Unlike Pakistan, Iran has no overarching enemy like India to worry about in the first place and dedicate most of its resources toward. Nor is Pakistan arming the Palestinian and Lebanese Resistance. Pakistani forces or allies aren't present at the borders to Occupied Palestine. And so on. So while the regime in Tel Aviv might not like Pakistan either (it certainly doesn't), its foremost priority and target, as reflected in its daily obsessive discourse, in its foreign policy as well as in its lobbying activities, is Iran.

I think Pakistan does things silently behind the screen unlike Iran which does things overtly.
 
I think Pakistan does things silently behind the screen unlike Iran which does things overtly.
Such as facilitating transit of US troops through its territory? What has Pakistan done against the US or Israel? Please write it down here.
 
Alright, so here's some concrete info. Apparently sardar Bagheri explicitly mentioned three items which Iran has intended to purchase from Russia, and actually signed contracts for:

* Fighter jets. Su-30? Su-35? Su-57? You guess.
* Trainer aircraft. Most probably this refers to the Yak-130.
* Combat helicopters.


@Sineva
 
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Alright, so here's some concrete info. Apparently sardar Bagheri explicitly mentioned three items which Iran has intended to purchase from Russia:

* Fighter jets. Su-30? Su-35? Su-57? You guess.
* Trainer aircraft. Most probably this refers to the Yak-130.
* Combat helicopters.


@Sineva
I wouldn't get excited. The Russians are heavily influenced by the Israelis and to some extent, the Americans. The former got the Russians literally by their balls. The Russian elite such as the oligarchs are also known to be Zionist supporters. Here is just one prominent example https://apnews.com/a0d4be6b2d334d9a...-is-latest-Russian-oligarch-to-move-to-Israel

Let's deal with facts.. the last major arms deal Iran had with Russia dates back to the early 90's (Mig29's, T-72's etc''). There is no reason to trust the slippery Russians this time.
 
I wouldn't get excited. The Russians are heavily influenced by the Israelis and to some extent, the Americans. The former got the Russians literally by their balls. The Russian elite such as the oligarchs are also known to be Zionist supporters. Here is just one prominent example https://apnews.com/a0d4be6b2d334d9a...-is-latest-Russian-oligarch-to-move-to-Israel

Let's deal with facts.. the last major arms deal Iran had with Russia dates back to the early 90's (Mig29's, T-72's etc''). There is no reason to trust the slippery Russians this time.

Obviously, sardar Bagheri's insistence that he seeks to pursue the implementation of contracts may suggest that Moscow is perhaps foot dragging. I'm not getting excited, but I do find it interesting to learn what items Iran would want to acquire from Russia.

And this said, who knows, maybe one of these deals will materialize sometime. At least, we now seem to have confirmation from an official source that Iran has indeed signed agreements for the purchase of fighter jets, trainers and helicopters with the Russian Federation. Which up until now had not been made public. Perhaps the very fact that it was revealed is part of an Iranian attempt to encourage Moscow to abide by the contract.
 
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I think Pakistan support Taliban to fight the US and Support the Palestinians against Israel.
You would impress me if Pakistan shut down the US embassy and kicked out all Americans from Pakistan and formed an anti US-Israel bloc. But that would just destroy the Pakistani economy. So it is understandable.

Again, what has Pakistan done against Israel, for the Palestinians except some statements or humanitarian actions? Has Pakistan provided the Palestinian resistance with arms, like Iran?
 
You would impress me if Pakistan shut down the US embassy and kicked out all Americans from Pakistan and formed an anti US-Israel bloc. But that would just destroy the Pakistani economy. So it is understandable.

Again, what has Pakistan done against Israel, for the Palestinians except some statements or humanitarian actions? Has Pakistan provided the Palestinian resistance with arms, like Iran?

I am an Indian. Frankly I do not want to talk on behalf of Pakistan. Let some Pakistani member respond to your question. My point was Pakistan always supported fellow Muslims and they fought Israel during the war.


Arabs recall Pakistani pilots’ gallantry in 1967 war
Pakistan Air Force shot down 3 Israeli planes in 6-day war that ended with Israel’s victory
Aamir Latif |03.06.2021

Arabs recall Pakistani pilots’ gallantry in 1967 war



KARACHI, Pakistan
The 1967 Arab-Israel war, to all appearances, tilted the geopolitical environment of the Middle East in favor of Tel Aviv, following a humiliating defeat of a three-state Arab alliance.
The six-day war ended with a UN-brokered cease-fire, but only after Israel occupied the Golan Heights, Gaza Strip, Sinai Peninsula, and the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, hugely altering the Middle East map.
Although the war was fought between Israel and an alliance of Egypt, Syria, and Jordan from June 5 to 10, 1967, nonetheless, it is remembered for the heroics of a fifth country's air force, which had no direct involvement in the conflict.
On the occasion of the 54th anniversary of the game-changing event, the Arabs in the Middle East still recall the heroics of Pakistan Air Force (PAF) pilots who downed several Israeli aircraft, including Mirages, Mysteres, and Vautours, without losing a single plane of their own.
Pakistan's Bangladeshi-origin fighter pilot Saif-ul-Azam, who passed away in June last year, alone shot down three Israeli fighter jets during the first three days of the war.
According to Air Commodore (Retd.) Kaiser Tufail, author of three books on air force history, the PAF shot down three Israeli jets - all by Flight Lieutenant (at that time) Saiful Azam - between June 5 and June 7.
"This is untrue that Pakistani pilots had shot down 10 Israeli planes in 1967 war. In reality, it was three in the 1967 war, and one in 1974 in Syria by Air Commodore (Retd.) Abdul Sattar Alvi," he maintained.
The PAF had sent "a few" pilots - mainly for training and advisory role - to Jordan to train the Royal Jordanian Air Force (RJAF) pilots in November 1966.
When the war broke out on June 5, 1967, two PAF pilots - Azam and Flt. Lt. Sarwar Shad were serving with the RJAF and Tufail, who served in PAF from 1973 to 2005, recalled.
"Though they were purely sent to train the RJAF pilots, the Pakistani government allowed them to perform air defense duties at the outbreak of war," he said, adding that effectively Azam had taken part in the war as his colleague was admitted to the hospital at that time.

Saved from total destruction
Azam will go down in history, perhaps the only pilot who have flown fighter planes for four countries -- Jordan, Iraq, Pakistan, and Bangladesh. He also holds the unique record of destroying fighter planes of two different air forces -- India and Israel.
While flying the single-seat Hawker Hunter, he shot down the Israeli Air Force's flagship transonic Dassault Mystere fighter-bomber aircraft in Jordan.
When he was shifted to an Iraqi airbase the next day, he brought down two state-of-art Israeli fighter aircrafts Vautour IIA and Dassault Mirage III.
Experts say due to Azam's eagle eye, both Iraqi and Jordanian air bases were saved from meeting the fate of the Egyptian Air Force, which was decimated by Israelis.
In recognition of his heroic contributions, he was conferred with military awards by Jordan and Iraq.

Clash of modern and outdated technologies
Air Marshall (Retd.) Amjad Hussain Khan dubbed the 1967 war as a clash between the modern US and the outdated Russian technologies, which ultimately resulted in Israel's victory.
"Apart from RJAF that was trained by Indian pilots on British war style, the Egyptian and Syrian air forces were trained on outdated Soviet tactics. On the other hand, Israeli pilots had training and planes from the US, which both were way modern than that of the Soviet Union," Khan, who was stationed in Iraq from 1967 to 1970 to establish a Fighters' Leader School to train senior Iraqi Air Force and RJAF pilots, told Anadolu Agency.
Khan, later, took part and led a contingent of Pakistani pilots in the 1973 Ramadan War against Israel.
The key factor, he said, that made a difference was Israel's air power based on US training and technology.
"Israel's air defense force was very well organized compared to that of Syrians, and Egyptians, which had no coordination with ground forces."
Supporting Khan's views, Tufail said, "The Arab armies and the air forces were no match for the Israelis as Egyptian and Syrian forces were trained on obsolete Soviet tactics."

Symbolic
The Arabs in the Middle East recall Azam's outstanding performance in 1967, where his exceptional skills and maneuvering kept the Israeli Air Force at bay.
However, according to Tufail, the shooting down of Israeli aircraft could not be capitalized on due to the "total" destruction of air forces and subsequent the absence of ground support.
"The gallantry action of Azam, unfortunately, turned out to be mere symbolic in terms of the ultimate results of the war," he opined.
"There was no question of ground support as all three countries' air forces were completely mauled on the ground by Israeli Air Force on the very first day, i.e., June 5 (1967)," Tufail, an author of the bestseller "Against All Odds," said.
He asserted that ground support would have been crucial if Pakistani pilots had shot down at least 30 Israeli aircraft and that Arab air and military forces would have been able to give such support.
Jordan had only one fighter squadron, which too was grounded in the first Israeli strike on June 6, he said.
"Also, the quality of military equipment, including the fighter aircraft, was no match for Israeli equipment," Tufail observed.
Another reason for the Arabs' defeat, he went on to argue, was that then-Egyptian President Gamal Nasser had lied to King Hussain of Jordan, claiming that Egyptian forces were on their way to Tel Aviv.
This, Tufail added, prompted Hussain to attack Israel for a link-up with Egyptian forces, which turned out to be a disaster.
"The truth was that the Egyptian air force had been destroyed on the ground by Israelis, and the Egyptian army was being attacked from the air," he further said.

Middle East map changed
The 1967 war, Khan said, had actually changed the Middle East map, giving an "upper hand" and a "bargain chip" to Tel Aviv.
"The 1967 war completely changed the Middle East's geographical scenario just within the six days. Sinai Desert, West Bank, and Golan Heights were lost to Israel, and the latter's superiority was established, which continues to date," he noted.
Tel Aviv, he argued, had also managed to capitalize on its military victory in terms of diplomatic success forcing Jordan and Egypt to recognize it.
"It was a short war and the Arabs were completely unprepared for that," Khan, who served in PAF from 1952 to 1988, said.


 
I am an Indian. Frankly I do not want to talk on behalf of Pakistan. Let some Pakistani member respond to your question. My point was Pakistan always supported fellow Muslims and they fought Israel during the war.
You are posting stuff from the 60's. I am talking about now. What has Pakistan done against Israel, for the Palestinians?
 
You are posting stuff from the 60's. I am talking about now. What has Pakistan done against Israel, for the Palestinians?

I think Pakistan is more focused on Kashmir than Palestine. I think Pakistan sees India as a bigger evil than Israel. Anyway let a Pakistani member speak for Pakistan than me (an Indian).
 
I think Pakistan is more focused on Kashmir than Palestine. I think Pakistan sees India as a bigger evil than Israel. Anyway let a Pakistani member speak for Pakistan than me (an Indian).
You could have said this from the beginning and saved us from going back and forth. Yes, Pakistan is focused on India. Not Palestine or the Muslim world in general.
 
Oh I didn't know that. I thought sanctions on Iran were lifted.

There were lidted interantional UN sanctions, however EU introduced unilateral sanctions prohibiting the supply of any European weapons to Iran even before the UN in 2007, and at the conclusion of the JCPOA, they stated that they would support their arms embargo against Iran until autumn of the 2023. What will happen next is also a question, since there is a strong American and Israeli lobby.
 

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