Iranian Air Defense Systems

[gau8av]

or mechanic of some sort?

he's a former f-16 and f-111 Aardvark pilot I think.

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big thread, haven't gone thru all of it but quick question: what's the status of the bavar 373 now that the Russians will be supplying the S300s after all ?

@SOHEIL @haman10 @yavar @Serpentine

 

[scythian500]

There is no such thing as a 'passive' radar and I bet you did not read the details of that wiki source, child.

Passive Radars:

Advantages and disadvantages[edit]
Advocates of the technology cite the following advantages:

• Lower procurement cost
• Lower costs of operation and maintenance, due to the lack of transmitter and moving parts
• Covert operation, including no need for frequency allocations
• Physically small and hence easily deployed in places where conventional radars cannot be
• Capabilities against stealth aircraft due to the frequency bands and multistatic geometries employed[3]
• Rapid updates, typically once a second
• Difficulty of jamming
• Resilience to anti-radiation missiles.

10 Shahrivar Passive Radar:
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رونمایی از چند سامانه همزمان با روز ارتش
رونمایی از سامانه راداری پسیو «۱۰شهریور»
Iran showcases domestically-developed defense systems (PHOTO)
Iran Showcases Domestically-Developed Defense Systems

Alim radar system - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Alim is the first Iranian passive radar. Passive radars do not transmit waves and instead, detect and track objects by processing reflections from non-cooperative sources of illumination in the environment, such as commercial broadcast and communications signals.
Alim is cheaper and has less maintenance cost than normal radars because it doesn't have transmitter and movable mechanical parts. Although it needs high processing power because it has to do six levels of processing to track a target. Other advantages include the ability to detect low RCS stealth targets in low altitudes. Also as it doesn't transmit anything, it is not possible to destroy it using anti radiation missiles such as American AGM-88 HARM thus it can be deployed near the enemy lines.

There are many Iranian radars with stealth detection ability and very powerful ECCM capabilities:

For example: I can recall one Iranian Stealth detection radar:

Matla - ul-fajr 2 Radar:

State-owned Mashregh News reported that Matla-ul-fajr 2 is a solid state 3D radar operating in VHF band. Due to the nature of its frequency, it can detect low-Radar cross-section targets such as stealth aircraft and cruise missiles. The range of the radar is 480 kilometres (300 mi) and it uses two separate channels for detection and is installed on the back of heavy trucks to enhance mobility. This radar won the first place in Kwarazmi International Festival.[1]

I don't claim Iran will be able to shoot down all B-2 and F-22s when attacking Iran but I,m sure that, first, Iran can detect them soon enough to prepare for it.. second, They can shoot significant numbers of them...

Btw, Block Buster bombs are too heavy to be able to be carried by planes other than B-2... which we have done a lot for this specific bird!!

 

[mohsen]

he's a former f-16 and f-111 Aardvark pilot I think.

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big thread, haven't gone thru all of it but quick question: what's the status of the bavar 373 now that the Russians will be supplying the S300s after all ?

It's in the testing phase, probably takes an year to be unveiled.

 

[Shams313]

Matla - ul-fajr 2 Radar:

State-owned Mashregh News reported that Matla-ul-fajr 2 is a solid state 3D radar operating in VHF band. Due to the nature of its frequency, it can detect low-Radar cross-section targets such as stealth aircraft and cruise missiles. The range of the radar is 480 kilometres (300 mi) and it uses two separate channels for detection and is installed on the back of heavy trucks to enhance mobility. This radar won the first place in Kwarazmi International Festival.[1]

I don't claim Iran will be able to shoot down all B-2 and F-22s when attacking Iran but I,m sure that, first, Iran can detect them soon enough to prepare for it.. second, They can shoot significant numbers of them...

Btw, Block Buster bombs are too heavy to be able to be carried by planes other than B-2... which we have done a lot for this specific bird!!

dude i'm a fan of that...awesome early warning radar.awesome mobility and design too.

malta ul fazr-1

 

[scythian500]

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dude i'm a fan of that...awesome early warning radar.awesome mobility and design too.

Yes, that is very capable radar system... But matla ul fajr 2 is much more sophisticated than the 1 version... ویژگی ها خاص رادار مطلع الفجر 2 - مشرق نیوز | mashreghnews.ir
There are a few photos of system and its coverage area:

There are other stealth detection radars developed by Iran... Let us not forget ER/O systems that can detect B-2 easily and they did it many times in Eastern borders of Iran with other spy planes like U-2s.... did u know not many advanced countries can build such passive radars?? despite its advantages it has very state of the art sensitive electronics and very sophisticated processing computers and algorithms..

 

[mohsen]

I don't claim Iran will be able to shoot down all B-2 and F-22s when attacking Iran but I,m sure that, first, Iran can detect them soon enough to prepare for it.. second, They can shoot significant numbers of them...

third, there will be no airport for them to take off or land (in case of remaining ones).

 

[scythian500]

third, there will be no airport for them to take off or land (in case of remaining ones).

Yes, indeed... but in case of B-2 bombers they will take off from distant areas, probably Missouri in US... but no matter from where they take off, Iranians developed tailored surprises for this special kind of plane... B-2 can be hit very easily if tracked.. This plane's major defense against AA missiles is their stealth and high alt which means they can evade incoming missiles as they are very lazy planes with limited maneuverability

 

[Shams313]

malta-ul-fajr and fateh radar,r they same?

 

[rmi5]

 

[Tomyris]

Yes, indeed... but in case of B-2 bombers they will take off from distant areas, probably Missouri in US... but no matter from where they take off, Iranians developed tailored surprises for this special kind of plane... B-2 can be hit very easily if tracked.. This plane's major defense against AA missiles is their stealth and high alt which means they can evade incoming missiles as they are very lazy planes with limited maneuverability

my brother .... scythian500 arete to answer these troll. you must not tell them the country's ability to defend itself. we must hide our defense system. he will sign an agreement. it is lost it's over. leaves fantasized about their capacity.

the more you answer them and it will continue.

I have a question my brother. has risen to emabrgo iran can buy fighter jets?

 

[SOHEIL]

iran can buy fighter jets?

 

[Uhuhu]

Are you using Azeri or Turkish keyboards?

its not a big deal.. i just made a mistake

 

[Tomyris]

hummmmmm it will have a command su-30?

 

[scythian500]

my brother .... scythian500 arete to answer these troll. you must not tell them the country's ability to defend itself. we must hide our defense system. he will sign an agreement. it is lost it's over. leaves fantasized about their capacity.

the more you answer them and it will continue.

I have a question my brother. has risen to emabrgo iran can buy fighter jets?

To my eyes even after sanctions being lifted, it is still a matter of geopolitical situation for both Iran and Russia... Forget China.. they never sell their good fighters to Iran... Russia is the only hope which apparently can only be done when Russia is squeezed by West... Whenever Russia is squeezed by west, they change their way to Iran to sell something (if they ever do it to the point of delivery!!)... If Russian sanctions hit its economy harder then it is possible that Iran can get dozens of Sukhui T-50... But considering their past very unreliable actions toward their friends, it is possible that Iran despite recieving T-50s, insist on its local fighter jet projects in a way to become a good reliable fighter by 2025 or 2030...

I think Iranian desire to build its own fighter jets can be devided into two categories:

1- IRIAF continue its work on current projects and finish what they started in coordination with Defense ministry... to my eye, Iranian leaders are watching these guys closely to see how much talented they are with making jet fighters.. If leaders are satisified with their ability to build serious fighters then they will recieve enough funds to do soomething great...

2- IRCG defense industries are making good efforts to build strategic fighter planes... UCAVs are in the same direction... They have more resources and funds to be able handle such strategic projects... I,m sure soon (in next 5 years) we will witness great projects by IRCG... maybe couple of strategic stealth nombers/ UCAVs... maybe even more sophisticated...

It is years now that I,m convinced that revolutionary guys in IRCG are doing a better job with weaponary and state of the art projects... It has two reasons to my understanding... 1- their independent sources of talent, experts and money...2- their revolutionary approach toward every thing which makes them do extra ordinary stuff...

J'ai remarqué que tu utilise le service de Google traduction .. ai-je raison? tu ferais mieux de commencer à apprendre l'anglais parce que c'est le numéro un langage aujourd'hui et puis après ça tu peux te concentrer sur le français ou d'autres langues etrangé... Mais je dois dire, je comprends toujours votre traduction de google étrange !! bon temp mon frere... Je peux parler les quatre langues du Francais, Persis, Arabe, L'englais et un petite peu Turk et Russe mais J'aime beaucoup Francaise...

 

[Tomyris]

To my eyes even after sanctions being lifted, it is still a matter of geopolitical situation for both Iran and Russia... Forget China.. they never sell their good fighters to Iran... Russia is the only hope which apparently can only be done when Russia is squeezed by West... Whenever Russia is squeezed by west, they change their way to Iran to sell something (if they ever do it to the point of delivery!!)... If Russian sanctions hit its economy harder then it is possible that Iran can get dozens of Sukhui T-50... But considering their past very unreliable actions toward their friends, it is possible that Iran despite recieving T-50s, insist on its local fighter jet projects in a way to become a good reliable fighter by 2025 or 2030...

I think Iranian desire to build its own fighter jets can be devided into two categories:

1- IRIAF continue its work on current projects and finish what they started in coordination with Defense ministry... to my eye, Iranian leaders are watching these guys closely to see how much talented they are with making jet fighters.. If leaders are satisified with their ability to build serious fighters then they will recieve enough funds to do soomething great...

2- IRCG defense industries are making good efforts to build strategic fighter planes... UCAVs are in the same direction... They have more resources and funds to be able handle such strategic projects... I,m sure soon (in next 5 years) we will witness great projects by IRCG... maybe couple of strategic stealth nombers/ UCAVs... maybe even more sophisticated...

It is years now that I,m convinced that revolutionary guys in IRCG are doing a better job with weaponary and state of the art projects... It has two reasons to my understanding... 1- their independent sources of talent, experts and money...2- their revolutionary approach toward every thing which makes them do extra ordinary stuff...

J'ai remarqué que tu utilise le service de Google traduction .. ai-je raison? tu ferais mieux de commencer à apprendre l'anglais parce que c'est le numéro un langage aujourd'hui et puis après ça tu peux te concentrer sur le français ou d'autres langues etrangé... Mais je dois dire, je comprends toujours votre traduction de google étrange !! bon temp mon frere... Je peux parler les quatre langues du Francais, Persis, Arabe, L'englais et un petite peu Turk et Russe mais J'aime beaucoup Francaise...

yes i, unwanted google translation. I live in France and I try to learn Persian and Kabyle, it's hard, yes jaimerai learn English well

if you want my opinion, I think that Iran should promptly ordered emergency aircraft such as the Su-30/35 ... if tomorrow the American vaudrai remetre emabrgo us, we will have already had sophisticated with a good air defense our current fleet and too weak and old .... the best thing and the rempalcer by aircraft such as su-30/35 which is long range and powerful radar and armement.notre defense will be provided. then we can start local project, as for the S-300 will use it now because we need the time that the talash3 and bavar373 am OPERATIONAL.
if iran order 100 su-30/35 it will be quiet for 30 next year .... and we can work on an Iranian fighter for the future. but we must first secured our defense now.