Iran turns its back on Russia and China with own battle tank

[haman10]

Hey doctor... Please do something for him!

Temperature goes high...

I think Amir @AmirPatriot summed it up very nice here : https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/iran...h-own-battle-tank.483827/page-23#post-9306383

i don't i'm able to add anything. i can just wish him a happy new year and move on

 

[Max]

FYI, It is rumored more often than ever that there is some Turkish whisperings/solutions into Pakistani Tank technology.

Maybe in future blocks of Al Khalid, but as of now.. Not really..

 

[Fafnir]

Nice try, but thats not exactly a panoramic sight.



and so on. In short, it is a separate head for the commander that houses commander's day sight, night sight/ thermal viewer, laser range finder and can be rotated independently up to 360 degrees.

Really?,it appears to have a separate rotating head as well as possibly rotation in elevation too,its pretty obvious that it can rotate independently of the rws gun mount and from the looks of it it appears to have three channels and likely a laser range finder as well,so from the look of it it appears to fulfill the criteria,indeed about the only difference is its boxy as opposed to cylindrical design,plus there are pictures+video of the inside of the karrar which show what looks to be a video viewer and sight control panel which doesnt look to be all that much different,not identical perhaps,but certainly very similar to the exact same sort of system in the t90ms turret,in addition the iranians have been producing multi channel flir systems for drones and aircraft for several years so if iran can produce these systems for aeronautical and other applications then I`m quite sure they can do it for tanks as well.Of course if it isnt a panoramic sight then that raises the question of what else exactly it could possibly be?

 

[lastofthepatriots]

Iranians become sensitive very easily. They should not. Come on, it's a fucking tank. If it defends your borders, who gives a shit?

 

[Blue In Green]

Iranians become sensitive very easily. They should not. Come on, it's a fucking tank. If it defends your borders, who gives a shit?

How would you like it if your country made a new tank and then EVERYONE else came and just shit on it, calling it fake and useless and weak and a copy, and your country is just a phony liar that makes paper tanks.

Then begins to down play literally EVERYTHING your country does thus offending you and your fellow country men, not to mention pride which everyone member on this forum has in abundance.

Iranians anger on this thread is more than justified.

Its. As. Simple. As. That.

 

[OldTwilight]

Fair point sir.

Here is a question though, would Iran actually sign a mutual defense treaty with China and/or Russia?

Which means, if China were to get into a war with the USA in the South China Sea, or if Russia were to get into a war with the USA over Ukraine, would Iran also declare war on the USA and attack their assets in the Gulf? What about if China got into a war with India?

China takes mutual defense treaties very seriously, as seen in the Korean War. We don't get along with North Korea, yet we still declared total war against the USA + 16 of her allies in the Korean War to uphold the treaty. And forced them out of North Korea, a situation that persists to this day (maybe unfortunately, depending on one's perspective).

Not like America, who abandoned their mutual defense treaty with the Philippines in 2012 when China was seizing their territory.

In the end, in geopolitics, all countries have to look after their own national interests first. Which means that the Iranian government would be understandably wary of signing anything of the sort.

No .... No east , no west , only Islamic Republic of Iran

 

[AmirPatriot]

No .... No east , no west , only Islamic Republic of Iran

Doesn't mean we can't have allies.

 

[lastofthepatriots]

How would you like it if your country made a new tank and then EVERYONE else came and just shit on it, calling it fake and useless and weak and a copy, and your country is just a phony liar that makes paper tanks.

Then begins to down play literally EVERYTHING your country does thus offending you and your fellow country men, not to mention pride which everyone member on this forum has in abundance.

Iranians anger on this thread is more than justified.

Its. As. Simple. As. That.

If that tank kills enemies, I would not give a shit to be honest.

 

[Blue In Green]

If that tank kills enemies, I would not give a shit to be honest.

Lol, fair

 

[lastofthepatriots]

Lol, fair

Listen my hairy Persian friend. There is no reason for you or any Iranians to be upset. You have developed a tank that is capable of taking care of outward threats. I mean the objective has been met. Anything like whether you have made this tank or improved upon it is irrelevant. I don't understand why so many people are upset??

 

[lastofthepatriots]

lol iran average iq 84 too

You are a funny troll and needed on this forum, but come on man. You need to take it easy sometimes.

 

[Blue In Green]

Listen my hairy Persian friend. There is no reason for you or any Iranians to be upset. You have developed a tank that is capable of taking care of outward threats. I mean the objective has been met. Anything like whether you have made this tank or improved upon it is irrelevant. I don't understand why so many people are upset??

I appreciate the sentiment but I'm American (iranian-American) and I had no hand in building any tanks of any kind
.

Also I'm not upset my friend, I just wanted to put things in perspective.

 

[OldTwilight]

Doesn't mean we can't have allies.

They never think us as allies , so don't think about it

 

[AmirPatriot]

They never think us as allies , so don't think about it

So relations should remain static? We shouldn't try to improve them? That doesn't sound like good diplomatic practice.

 

[war&peace]

Sometimes the national interests of even friends conflict with each other and this is true in this case. If Iran wants to produce its own tank, there is no problem in that but they have to do through the proper channel ...since they are unable to build one themselves, they should try to make a deal with Russia for ToT and JV or licensed production of certain systems and component which I guess Russia will accept. No one likes their technology being stolen.