Iran to supply Russia with “hundreds” of Drones

[Ich]

Though Iran supplying Ukraine is not absurd. Iran and Ukraine had great relations AN-140 came from Ukraine joint project. KH-55 that later became basis of Iran’s long range cruise missile program came from Ukraine stockpiles.

This was all before the US driven coup in 2014

 

[Muhammed45]

@Sineva quoted from this source

First Look at Ukrainian Artillery Destroyed By Iranian Built Drones: Shahed 136 Already a Major Help to Russia’s War Effort​

First Look at Ukrainian Artillery Destroyed By Iranian Built Drones: Shahed 136 Already a Major Help to Russia’s War Effort

Newly deployed Iranian-built Shahed 136 delta wing drones have begun to take a significant toll on Ukrainian forces, with the Wall Street Journal being among the sources

militarywatchmagazine.com

I hope it becomes a reason for more upgaradtion rather than unmasking our tactics.

This was all before the US driven coup in 2014

True, it was when Ukraine was governed by Russian aligned leaders.

 

[mohsen]

@Sineva quoted from this source

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I hope it becomes a reason for more upgaradtion rather than unmasking our tactics.

BS, We have been using our drones against US and it's allies for years. nothing new happened in Ukraine.

But the thing is, the time when we were looking ways to counter them is over, now we innovate, and they have to find ways to counter us. it's a higher stage in deterrence.

 

[Parsipride]

https://southfront.org/iranian-game-changer-in-the-ukrainian-war/

Mocking the mighty Turkish TB2 drone? LOL

 

[retaxis]

whats better? bayraptor or Shahed-136? no trolling thx

 

[Daylamite Warrior]

Not everyone who has a different opinion (a wrong one) is some secret agent. They could just be wrong or dumb.

No, not everyone hence why I said they're idiots OR a mozdoor. So not all, but it can't be ruled out either, especially on this forum.

You don’t know how international arms dealers operate.

An international arms dealer will contact Iran and request artillery shells. They will then pay Iran (crypto/cash/etc) Iran will deliver the product. Arms dealers then sell to highest bidders.

It doesn’t necessarily mean Iran supplies directly to Ukraine (although they may suspect final destination).

Not all arms deals are nation to nation. Some are nation to arms syndicates, nation to rebels, nation to arms dealers.

Though Iran supplying Ukraine is not absurd. Iran and Ukraine had great relations AN-140 came from Ukraine joint project. KH-55 that later became basis of Iran’s long range cruise missile program came from Ukraine stockpiles.

The tweets dont specify whether they have come via an international arms dealer or otherwise, thats something out of your own back pocket! The emphasis of these tweets are simply to prove they're made in Iran and they are directly arming the Ukrainians to essentially kill Russians. This happening during a time when Iran is helping Russian with certain things which I cant find any other explanation for why all these flights are happening between Tehran and Moscow, or all the tweets showing Iranian drones working in Ukraine.

Stop bringing up ancient history. We're living in 2022 during a Ukraine Russia war, which is war of Eastern independence vs western liberalism. Iran by no means wants to support the West or Nato! Thats some liberal wet dream! Also, there is no way Iran would carelessly sell arms to both sides, it's something it has never done before, because that's right out of the CIA manual of arming to two sides for profits. So this is nothing more than stolen Iranian arms via houthis which is being used as propaganda to drive discord between Russian and Iranian relations. I will not accept anything other than this.

 

[Stryker1982]

whats better? bayraptor or Shahed-136? no trolling thx

It's kind of comparing apples in oranges. Both are fruits, but they are very different in class of fruit.

If you were referring to TB2, that's a UCAV.

Shahed-136 is a suicide UAV/UAS, single use only.

TB2 would be more cost efficient if used in a scenario where most enemy AD is already degraded to a high degree, giving it high freedom of operation, and you're expecting the odds of losing one is very low. Dropping 2-4 inexpensive bombs per sortie.

But in this high AD environment these class UAVs do not survive for long. Expendable suicide UAVs would be more resourceful at interdiction operations in such environments.

Currently Russian Aviation has to deal with

BUK-M1
NASAMS
Vampire
Gepard
Starstreak & Stingers
And Possibly PACs down the line

Among other EW equipment, tough for a UCAV to survive here for long.

 

[TheImmortal]

It's kind of comparing apples in oranges. Both are fruits, but they are very different in class of fruit.

If you were referring to TB2, that's a UCAV.

Shahed-136 is a suicide UAV/UAS, single use only.

TB2 would be more cost efficient if used in a scenario where most enemy AD is already degraded to a high degree, giving it high freedom of operation, and you're expecting the odds of losing one is very low. Dropping 2-4 inexpensive bombs per sortie.

But in this high AD environment these class UAVs do not survive for long. Expendable suicide UAVs would be more resourceful at interdiction operations in such environments.

Currently Russian Aviation has to deal with

BUK-M1
NASAMS
Vampire
Gepard
Starstreak & Stingers
And Possibly PACs down the line

Among other EW equipment, tough for a UCAV to survive here for long.

Only more reason for a High altitude UAV bomber.

Most AD systems top out at 30,000-50,000 feet. A drone bomber can drop payloads at 70,000 feet making it nearly impossible to intercept.

It’s one of the reasons why U-2, Blackbird, and others were so difficult to intercept

 

[Stryker1982]

Only more reason for a High altitude UAV bomber.

Most AD systems top out at 30,000-50,000 feet. A drone bomber can drop payloads at 70,000 feet making it nearly impossible to intercept.

It’s one of the reasons why U-2, Blackbird, and others were so difficult to intercept

Hence why the Shahed-161/Simorgh UCAV should be upscaled from it's original RQ-170 design. Alot of potential to expand.

At the moment, assuming those transfers are correct, Russia can either rely on Suicide expendable UAVs, and/or a Shahed-191 variant to penetrate into lethal AD zones for recon and targeting of AD (which appears was the intent of the S-191 project)

 

[TheImmortal]

Hence why the Shahed-161/Simorgh UCAV should be upscaled from it's original RQ-170 design. Alot of potential to expand.

At the moment, assuming those transfers are correct, Russia can either rely on Suicide expendable UAVs, and/or a Shahed-191 variant to penetrate into lethal AD zones for recon and targeting of AD (which appears was the intent of the S-191 project)

Flying wing is not recommended due to unstable nature at higher speeds. You need a fast (supersonic) and flying wing is not stable at those speeds. A Delta wing or a wing design with a stabilizer would be much more appropriate.

300-500mph drones are just not game changing for long range strikes.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Flying wing is not recommended due to unstable nature at higher speeds. You need a fast (supersonic) and flying wing is not stable at those speeds. A Delta wing or a wing design with a stabilizer would be much more appropriate.

300-500mph drones are just not game changing for long range strikes.

if they make shahed-171 bigger add two engine to it it can fly probably at 50000feet and can have a speed of 500-600km . the design can probably go to diego garcia and come back . its not lie flying wing is not good and delta wing is better , B2 is better than F-117, can fly higher , can fly longer , can carry more and is stealthier

 

[Shawnee]

if they make shahed-171 bigger add two engine to it it can fly probably at 50000feet and can have a speed of 500-600km . the design can probably go to diego garcia and come back . its not lie flying wing is not good and delta wing is better , B2 is better than F-117, can fly higher , can fly longer , can carry more and is stealthier

4 engines
RQ 180 style

 

[Hack-Hook]

4 engines
RQ 180 style

why not if you make it that big , RQ-180 has a wingspan of 40m , if you want to build an unmanned version of this bomber

you certainly need 4 engine ,or perhaps more don't forget each engine of it have 77kn of thrust
by the way they released those Ironbombs at high altitude above clouds , i don't expect they manage to hit anything in particular specially by looking at how dense those clouds are

 

[Shawnee]

why not if you make it that big , RQ-180 has a wingspan of 40m , if you want to build an unmanned version of this bomber

you certainly need 4 engine ,or perhaps more don't forget each engine of it have 77kn of thrust

Not there yet engine wise

RQ180 itself has possibly two engines.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Not there yet engine wise

RQ180 itself has possibly two engines.

i also say two engine but probably two more powerful engine than what we have at our disposal