Iran to Purchase Sukhoi-30 Fighter Jets From Russia

[AmirPatriot]

It's possible that Iran would buy 30-40 aircraft, and produce the rest inside the country.

 

[SOHEIL]

It's possible that Iran would buy 30-40 aircraft, and produce the rest inside the country.

Another possibility ... we won't get any Su-30 !

 

[volatile]

SU35 offers more punch also they should start negotiation for PAK FA

 

[Rukarl]

Pretty much yeah. You realize building a reliable and durable jet engine isnt something that can be done by simply displaying a prototype to the public. ?

That engine has been testing for 6-10 years. You think what they revealed meant that they only just made it?

 

[AmirPatriot]

Another possibility ... we won't get any Su-30 !

 

[Hack-Hook]

Another possibility ... we won't get any Su-30 !

I say more likely than any other possibility.

 

[Rukarl]

Another possibility ... we won't get any Su-30 !

Yes, sadly politics is a very big hurdle. If anyone thinks Iran will have a smooth ride for getting Su-30 then they're badly mistaken. Lets assume we go for 100-150 in the long run. This is a change gamer for airforce in the region. Americans, zionists and wahabis will do everything to kill the deal.

 

[VEVAK]

Pretty much yeah. You realize building a reliable and durable jet engine isnt something that can be done by simply displaying a prototype to the public. These things needs many years to mature and considering the poor state of Iran's air force there are simply urgent requirements that need to be fullfilled. Plus a lot of military developments in Iran arent matured products, this isnt ment to insult Iranians or Iran but it really is the case. Why do you think Iran is looking for new goodies to purchase?

Iran has no need for the Yak-130 other than maybe a handful to be used as a trainer for the Su-30 and even then the only reason Iran might get a few may be because the Russians may insist upon it for the sale of the Su-30.

Iran has been producing well over 75% of the J-85 for well over a decade now some part needed to be imported in the past but overall the J-85 has been produced in Iran for very long time.

OWJ Engine is an upgraded J-85 with 100% domestically made parts and Iran incrementally reached 100% a few years ago and not only has it already been tested but it's been in operation for a few years now!!

Every Saegheh, Azarakhsh & F-5 in Iran today use engines that were built in Iran with a rate of over 75% domestically made parts.

So the OWJ is not a new engine that needs years of testing!

Iran is already producing it's own Subsonic advanced trainer called Kowsar

Iran has no need for the Yak-130 when it can build Aircrafts far superior like the F-5 at will

The Aircraft you see above the Saegheh is the Kowsar 88 a subsonic advanced trainer and it's already being produced

 

[BordoEnes]

What are you blagging about? That engine has been testing for 6-10 years. You think what they revealed meant that they only just made it?

I very much doubt that.

 

[Rukarl]

I very much doubt that.

Here is the OWJ engine from almost 7 years ago:

 

[VEVAK]

Specifications (F-5E Tiger II)
General characteristics

• Crew: 1
• Length: 47 ft 4¾ in (14.45 m)
• Wingspan: 26 ft 8 in (8.13 m)
• Height: 13 ft 4½ in (4.08 m)
• Wing area: 186 ft² (17.28 m²)
• Airfoil: NACA 65A004.8 root, NACA 64A004.8 tip
• Empty weight: 9,558 lb (4,349 kg)
• Loaded weight: 15,745 lb (7,157 kg)
• Max. takeoff weight: 24,722 lb (11,214 kg)
• Powerplant: 2 × General Electric J85-GE-21B turbojet
  • Dry thrust: 3,500 lbf (15.5 kN) each
  • Thrust with afterburner: 5,000 lbf (22.2 kN) each
• Zero-lift drag coefficient: 0.0200
• Drag area: 3.4 ft² (0.32 m²)
• Aspect ratio: 3.82
• Internal fuel: 677 U.S. gal (2,563 L)
• External fuel: 275 U.S. gal (1,040 L) per tank in up to 3 tanks

Performance

• Maximum speed: 917 kn (Mach 1.6, 1,060 mph, 1,700 km/h) ; at altitude
• Range: 760 nmi (870 mi, 1,405 km)
• Ferry range: 2,010 nmi (2,310 mi, 3,700 km[171])
• Service ceiling: 51,800 ft (15,800 m)
• Rate of climb: 34,400 ft/min (175 m/s)
  
• Lift-to-drag ratio: 10.0

Armament

• Guns: 2× 20 mm (0.787 in) M39A2 Revolver cannons in the nose, 280 rounds/gun
• Hardpoints: 7 total (only pylon stations 3, 4 and 5 are wet-plumbed): 2× wing-tip AAM launch rails, 4× under-wing & 1× under-fuselage pylon stations with a capacity of 7,000 pounds (3,200 kg)

Specifications (HESA Saeqeh)
General characteristics

• Crew: 1
• Length: 15.89 m (52 ft 2 in)
• Wingspan: 8.3 m (27 ft 3 in)
• Empty weight: 4,400 kg (9,700 lb)
• Gross weight: 9,000 kg (19,842 lb)
• Powerplant: 2 × unknown afterburning turbojet engines

Performance

• Maximum speed: 1,700 km/h (1,056 mph; 918 kn)
• Maximum speed: Mach 1.4+
• Range: 3,000 km (1,864 mi; 1,620 nmi)
• Service ceiling: 16,000 m (52,493 ft)
• Rate of climb: 175 m/s (34,400 ft/min)

Armament

• Guns: 2× 20 mm (0.787 in) M39A2 Revolver cannons in the nose, 280 rounds/gun
• Hardpoints: 7 total: 2× wing-tip AAM launch rails, 4× under-wing & 1× under-fuselage pylon stations with a capacity of 7,000 pounds (3,200 kg)

Specifications (Yak-130)
General characteristics

• Crew: 2 pilots
• Length: 11.49 m (37 ft 8 in)
• Wingspan: 9.84 m (32 ft 3 in)
• Height: 4.76 m (15 ft 7 in)
• Wing area: 23.52 m² (253.2 sq ft)
• Empty weight: 4,600 kg (10,141 lb)
• Loaded weight: 7,250 kg (15,984 lb) (normal take-off weight)
• Max. takeoff weight: 10,290 kg (22,686 lb)
• Powerplant: 2 × Progress AI-222-25 turbofan, 24.52 KN (5,512 lbf) each

Performance

• Maximum speed: 1,060 km/h (648 mph)
• Cruise speed: 887 km/h (551 mph)
• Stall speed: 165 km/h (103 mph)
• Range: 2,100 km (1,305 miles)
• Combat radius: 555 km (345 miles)
• Service ceiling: 12,500 m (42,660 ft)
• Rate of climb: 65 m/s (10,000 ft/min)
• Wing loading: 276.4 kg/m² (56.60 lb/sq ft)
• Thrust/weight: 0.9

Armament

A symmetric or asymmetric weapon load, weighing up to 3,000 kg (6,600 lb) and consisting of various guided and un-guided weapons, auxiliary fuel tanks and electronics pods can be carried on 9 hardpoints: 1 on each wingtip, 3 under each wing, and 1 under the fuselage.
Yakovlev Yak-131
light attack aircraft for Su-25 replacement. This version will have cockpit and engine armour, a GSh-301 gun, and either the Phazotron Kopyo radar with mechanical or electronic beam scanning, or the Tikhomirov NIIP Osa passive phased array radar

What's your point? Your copy pasting info from Wikipedia here to say what exactly?

That Iran's Saegheh is superior to the Yak-130?

Iran's Seagheh is faster, has a higher payload, smaller RCS,... So why on God's green earth would Iran ever purchase the Yak-130 when It can produce a far superior platform?

I very much doubt that.

Doubt it all you like! Iran today builds turbine engines far more complex than the OWJ engine both for it's Oil and Gas sector (Gas Turbines) and for it's military

 

[Samak]

Yes, sadly politics is a very big hurdle. If anyone thinks Iran will have a smooth ride for getting Su-30 then they're badly mistaken. Lets assume we go for 100-150 in the long run. This is a change gamer for airforce in the region. Americans, zionists and wahabis will do everything to kill the deal.

Probably they will promise russia thst if they dont sell us anything then they will remove Ukraine conflict related sanction ...

But as far as I know , with piping 5th fighter from right and left , this one of last chance that Russians have for selling milikng flanker platform ...

 

[drmeson]

I will believe this sukhoi story the day it actually happens. Migs or Sukhois, IRIAF needs a lifeline before it just perishes in few coming years.

 

[Penguin]

What's your point? Your copy pasting info from Wikipedia here to say what exactly?

That Iran's Saegheh is superior to the Yak-130?

Iran's Seagheh is faster, has a higher payload, smaller RCS,... So why on God's green earth would Iran ever purchase the Yak-130 when It can produce a far superior platform?

What is your problem, ill-tempered friend? I'm merely showing that an attack variant of Yak 130 (e.g. Yak 131/133) nicely fills the bracked now taken up by ancient F-5s (airframes do eventually expire). As for Saegheh, how many produced? How many in service? How many of those are twin seaters? What evidence to support those numbers?

While Iran is quoted has operating some 25 F-5E/HESA Saeqeh, it also operated some 21 F-5B/F operational conversion trainers, toprepare pilots for e.g F-4 and F-14. Having a modern jet that - in one variant or another - can perform both roles makes sense, both operationally and logistically.

http://www.yak.ru/eng/firm/art_switch.php?art=4

A Yak-130 variant has already been put forward as Su-25 replacement, FYI.

Yak-131 artist impression

The first series-configuration Yak-130 and its weapon: R-73 air-to-air missiles, B-13L rocket pod and KAB-500Kr guided bomb (under the wing); RVV-AE air-to-air missile, B-8M1 rocket pod, Kh-25M air-to-surface misile, free fall bomb and UPK-23-250 gun pod (on the ground, right to left).

Yak-130 is an advanced pilot training aircraft, able to replicate characteristics of Russian 4th and 5th generation fighters (e.g. Mig 29, Su-27 and newer variants of both jets).
This is possible through the use of open architecture digital avionics compliant with a 1553 Databus, a full digital glass cockpit, four-channel digital Fly-By-Wire System (FBWS) and Instructor controlled and variable FBWS handling characteristics and embedded simulation. The type also has a Head-up display (HUD) and a Helmet-Mounted-Sighting-System (HMSS), with a double GPS/GLONASS receiver updating an Inertial Reference System (IRS) for highly accurate navigation and precision targeting. The developer estimates that the plane can cover up to 80% of the entire pilot flight training program.
In addition to its training role, the aircraft is capable of fulfilling Light Attack and Reconnaissance duties. It can carry a combat load of 3,000 kilograms (6,600 pounds), consisting of various guided and un-guided weapons, auxiliary fuel tanks and electronic pods. According to its chief designer Konstantin Popovich, during a testing phase that ended in December 2009, the plane was tested with "all airborne weapons with a weight of up to 500 kg that are in service in the Russian Air Force". Yak-130 has nine hard points: two wingtip, six under-wing and one under-fuselage.

In early 2002, the Russian Air Force announced the Yak-130 as the victor in the competition for new airplanes for the training mission and as general purpose light combat aircraft. The Yak-130 was selected over its main competitor, the MiG-AT, despite that aircraft also being supported by the Air Force. The Yak-130 was announced as the winner of the contest to provide Russia's new military jet trainer on 16 March 2002. The most important advantage of the type in comparison with the rival MiG-AT was the Yak's ability to carry a 3-ton weapon load. It was also a more agile aircraft with a thrust-to-weight ratio of 0.88 and a low wing load. Thanks to extended high-lift devices, long wing-root extensions and air intakes located under the wings, the angle of attack that can be achieved by the Yak in the air amounts to as much as 35 degrees.

Employing the Yak-130 was reasonable for the Russian air force and air forces of such nations as India, China and Viet Nam. The Yakovlev design bureau was ready to mutually beneficial cooperation with foreign customers and partners. To this end other versions were proposed, including the Yak-131 fighter, Yak-133, and Yak-135. The latter 2 variants were initially unknown, but were thought to be possibly recon, single seat fighter, side by side trainer, or 4-seat VIP transport types. Aircraft carrier trainers and 4-seat COD/VIP transports had been proposed. The Yak-130's basic design could be used to develop a whole range of versions, primarily combat aircraft beginning from a simple combat trainer all the way through a dedicated light attack aircraft, as well as deck trainers and aircraft for the training of civil and military transport aviation pilots.

Combat versions of the aircraft were superior in performance to other airplanes in the same category. For example, the Yak-130's combat radius was twice that of the BAe Hawk in the same conditions. The Yak-130 performed especially good in the pair with the Su-30, the 2 aircraft featuring similar information field of the pilot cockpit. Using Yak-130s for combat exercises allows save resources of the major fighter aircraft, be it the Su-30MKI or MiG-29K. Yakovlev later submitted the Yak-133 as a potential replacement for the Su-25 series. It also developed the Yak-133IB (a fighter bomber), the Yak-133PP (a electronics countermeasure platform), and the Yak-133R (a reconnaissance aircraft; possibly initially known as the Yak-135).

The Yak-130 has an Italian half-sister. The Aermacchi M-346 is a new generation, modern technology advanced / pre-operational trainer designed to be superior to all existing products in its class. The aircraft is a fully Western derivative of the YAK/Aem-130, whose development was undertaken in collaboration with the Yakovlev Design Bureau and the SOKOL Aircraft Building Plant of the Russian Federation. Under such collaboration extremely useful results were generated, including a demonstrator prototype extensively tested and demonstrated, and led to a low risk development of the M-346. Such development had been solely undertaken by Aermacchi, due to different funding time scales in Russia and in Italy.

The Aeromacchi M-346 is operated by Israel (30), Italy (18 on order), Poland (8 on order), and Singapore (12 on order). In the United States, Alenia Aermacchi is to submit the M-346 for the United States Air Force's T-X program to replace the aging Northrop T-38 Talon, rebranding the aircraft as the T-100 Integrated Training System. About 350 aircraft are expected to be ordered, further purchases could lead to over 1,000 aircraft being purchased overall. In February 2016, it was announced that Raytheon, who shall serve as the prime contractor, had teamed up with Finmeccanica to offer an advanced variant of the M-346 for the T-X program.

Specifications (M-346)

General characteristics

• Crew: two, student and instructor
• Length: 11.49 m (37.70 ft)
• Wingspan: 9.72 m (31.89 ft)
• Height: 4.76 m (16.11 ft)
• Wing area: 23.52 m² (253.2 ft²)
• Empty weight: 4,610 kg (10,165 lb)
• Loaded weight: 6,700 kg (14,770 lb)
• Max. takeoff weight: 9,500 kg (20,945 lb)
• Powerplant: 2 × Honeywell F124-GA-200 , 28 kN (6,250 lbf) each

Performance

• Never exceed speed: Mach 1.2 (1,470 km/h, 793 knots)
• Maximum speed: 1,059 km/h (572 knots)
• Stall speed: 176 km/h (95 knots)
• Range: 1,981 km (1,070 nautical miles)
• Ferry range: 2,722 km (1,470 nmi) ; with 3 external drop tanks
• Endurance: 2.75 hours (4 hours with external drop tanks)
• Service ceiling: 13,716 m (45,000 ft)
• Rate of climb: 6,705 m/min (22,000 ft/min)
• Wing loading: 285 kg/m² (58.3 lb/ft²)
• Thrust/weight: 0.84

Armament

• Hardpoints: Provisions for a total of 9 pylon stations (2× wingtip, 1× under-fuselage plus 6× underwing), capable of mounting up to 3,000 kilograms (6,600 lb) of external payload and up to 3× 630 litres (140 imp gal; 170 US gal) external drop tanks (only pylon stations 4, 5, 6 are wet-plumbed)

JUST SO YOU KNOW HOW LOUSY A TRAINER THIS IS ;-)

Yak-130

M-346 (Israel)

M-346FT (Singapore) with Iris-T

M-346FT (Singapore) with Sidewinder, GBU-series bomb and targeting pod

M-346FT takes GBU-12, GBU-49, GBU-38, Mk-82, Lizard 4, storage tanks with cannon and unguided rockets, IR-guided A2A missiles, recon/targeting pods and external fuel tanks.

On display in Thailand with all-weather Marte MK2 is a fire-and-forget, medium-range, sea-skimming anti-ship weapon system

 

[Penguin]

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