Iran to Purchase Sukhoi-30 Fighter Jets From Russia

[AmirPatriot]

Su-30 project will require alot more cash than MiG-29/35 ... it will integrate perfectly within IRIAF because of already existing experiences and infra structure ... volatile relationship between Iran and Russia means that iran will always be dependent upon Russia for SU-30 parts and further maintenance. What if Russia backs out in middle of the contract or refuses to provide further assistance ? ... with Mig, IRIAF atleast have some home grown setup ...

I dont agree with iran needs long range fighters ... for now iran needs dedicated interceptors and air superiority fighters to provide cover for literally naked surface fleet in Persian gulf and key installations. Some instant solution is required to cover for retiring F-5E/F, F-4E/D, MF-1 ... nothing seems more plausible than purchase of more Fencer D M2 (with KH-31 A and P) and Fulcurum M2/SMT/mig-35. Even if 4 more squadrons of M2 and 2 of Su-24 D M2 are integrated in IRAF along with upgradation of current fleet of these two aircrafts ... rest of the clown like fleet of shah times can be alotted to IRGC-AF (excluding current 2-2.5 serving tomcat squarons) ...

You said why Iran needs better fighter aircraft, which is obvious, but you did not say why Iran doesn't need long range aircraft.

Iran is a big country, so combat air patrol requires long range aircraft. Missions over the Persian Gulf and the Arab dictatorships would require long range in order to keep airbase safe.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

You don't need to be rude bro take it easy.


It just a stereotype every think Muslims do should have a foreign origin otherwise we are Muslims to them have no brain

But any way that's not matter what matter is that you have the tech to build a system that is equivalent to the S-300 and you can produce it in big numbers.

China has suffered this type of stereotype and prejudice long time ago, yet China is still capable of giving the arrogant western world full of surprise.

I am also curious to see if Iran in 1-2 decades can pull out another "China phenomenon" to shock the world.

 

[VEVAK]

Yak-130 attack version might make a nice F-5 replacement

No they are not! Iran should stick to building it's own subsonic trainers!!! You think Iran spent years in the development of the OWJ engine to then turn around and purchase the Yak-130!

 

[BordoEnes]

No they are not! Iran should stick to building it's own subsonic trainers!!! You think Iran spent years in the development of the OWJ engine to then turn around and purchase the Yak-130!

Pretty much yeah. You realize building a reliable and durable jet engine isnt something that can be done by simply displaying a prototype to the public. These things needs many years to mature and considering the poor state of Iran's air force there are simply urgent requirements that need to be fullfilled. Plus a lot of military developments in Iran arent matured products, this isnt ment to insult Iranians or Iran but it really is the case. Why do you think Iran is looking for new goodies to purchase?

 

[Samak]

@Serpentine
There are 3 topic about this issue , please merge them

1- We want to have production line of fighter in our country , so we have to choose of buying productin license of only one aircraft ( we don't have enough money to buy production license of several Aircraft and prepare production line of these aircraft s )

2- according of our experience in Iran Iraq war and recent observation , 2 seat Aircrafts are better for air to ground operations so that why Su 30 is better than Mig 35

3- we need multiple fighter that can carry enough weapon for operations ( Su 30 is far superior than Mig 29/35 )

4- there are several countries that have production line of Su 30 , so even we face some problems with Russians then we may be able to buy spare part from others ( that's why we chose Su 30 over Su 35 and Mig 35 )


If we consider j17 and f5 as light fighter then we have some projects in this field ( saegheh and qaher ) and thanks to God , by making Ouj jet engine , we passed biggest obstacle in making light fighter ....

If we consider mig 29/35 , j10 and f16 as medium fighter , then we have some project in this field , so the only thing we need to buy is a heavy fighter ...

Note :
IRAF commanders are using a new method for classify multirol fighters :
1- light fighter ( f5 , j17 ,j7) these fighters are more suite for close air support missions and have very limited multirol capacity

2- medium fighter ( j10 , typhoon , f16 , Mig 29 )

3- heavy fighter ( f15 , flanker )

 

[kaykay]

How many Su-30s Iran is planning to buy. They are excellent fighters though!!!

 

[Samak]

How many Su-30s Iran is planning to buy. They are excellent fighters though!!!

We don't know , but at least enough fighters to replace both f14 ( 79 ) and f4 (80) .... That mean we need at least 150-160

 

[kaykay]

We don't know , but at least enough fighters to replace both f14 ( 79 ) and f4 (80) .... That mean we need at least 150-160

A fleet of 150-160 Su-30s will be hell of a force!!! A power to reckon with.

 

[SOHEIL]

A fleet of 150-160 Su-30s will be hell of a force!!! A power to reckon with.

30-40

 

[Samak]

30-40

Buying 30 40 Su 30 is wast of time and money and it will just add more trouble to air force ... This will be even less useful than Mig 29 ...


Do you think IRAF just collectiner ?!

Why we should add cost of training ( pilot and crew ) , new weapons , new maintance complex and etc just for 30- 40 fighters ?!

Who would buy production license and spend money for making production line for just 30 40 ?!

What drug did you use ?!

 

[SOHEIL]

 

[Penguin]

No they are not! Iran should stick to building it's own subsonic trainers!!! You think Iran spent years in the development of the OWJ engine to then turn around and purchase the Yak-130!

Specifications (F-5E Tiger II)
General characteristics

• Crew: 1
• Length: 47 ft 4¾ in (14.45 m)
• Wingspan: 26 ft 8 in (8.13 m)
• Height: 13 ft 4½ in (4.08 m)
• Wing area: 186 ft² (17.28 m²)
• Airfoil: NACA 65A004.8 root, NACA 64A004.8 tip
• Empty weight: 9,558 lb (4,349 kg)
• Loaded weight: 15,745 lb (7,157 kg)
• Max. takeoff weight: 24,722 lb (11,214 kg)
• Powerplant: 2 × General Electric J85-GE-21B turbojet
  • Dry thrust: 3,500 lbf (15.5 kN) each
  • Thrust with afterburner: 5,000 lbf (22.2 kN) each
• Zero-lift drag coefficient: 0.0200
• Drag area: 3.4 ft² (0.32 m²)
• Aspect ratio: 3.82
• Internal fuel: 677 U.S. gal (2,563 L)
• External fuel: 275 U.S. gal (1,040 L) per tank in up to 3 tanks

Performance

• Maximum speed: 917 kn (Mach 1.6, 1,060 mph, 1,700 km/h) ; at altitude
• Range: 760 nmi (870 mi, 1,405 km)
• Ferry range: 2,010 nmi (2,310 mi, 3,700 km[171])
• Service ceiling: 51,800 ft (15,800 m)
• Rate of climb: 34,400 ft/min (175 m/s)
  
• Lift-to-drag ratio: 10.0

Armament

• Guns: 2× 20 mm (0.787 in) M39A2 Revolver cannons in the nose, 280 rounds/gun
• Hardpoints: 7 total (only pylon stations 3, 4 and 5 are wet-plumbed): 2× wing-tip AAM launch rails, 4× under-wing & 1× under-fuselage pylon stations with a capacity of 7,000 pounds (3,200 kg)

Specifications (HESA Saeqeh)
General characteristics

• Crew: 1
• Length: 15.89 m (52 ft 2 in)
• Wingspan: 8.3 m (27 ft 3 in)
• Empty weight: 4,400 kg (9,700 lb)
• Gross weight: 9,000 kg (19,842 lb)
• Powerplant: 2 × unknown afterburning turbojet engines

Performance

• Maximum speed: 1,700 km/h (1,056 mph; 918 kn)
• Maximum speed: Mach 1.4+
• Range: 3,000 km (1,864 mi; 1,620 nmi)
• Service ceiling: 16,000 m (52,493 ft)
• Rate of climb: 175 m/s (34,400 ft/min)

Armament

• Guns: 2× 20 mm (0.787 in) M39A2 Revolver cannons in the nose, 280 rounds/gun
• Hardpoints: 7 total: 2× wing-tip AAM launch rails, 4× under-wing & 1× under-fuselage pylon stations with a capacity of 7,000 pounds (3,200 kg)

Specifications (Yak-130)
General characteristics

• Crew: 2 pilots
• Length: 11.49 m (37 ft 8 in)
• Wingspan: 9.84 m (32 ft 3 in)
• Height: 4.76 m (15 ft 7 in)
• Wing area: 23.52 m² (253.2 sq ft)
• Empty weight: 4,600 kg (10,141 lb)
• Loaded weight: 7,250 kg (15,984 lb) (normal take-off weight)
• Max. takeoff weight: 10,290 kg (22,686 lb)
• Powerplant: 2 × Progress AI-222-25 turbofan, 24.52 KN (5,512 lbf) each

Performance

• Maximum speed: 1,060 km/h (648 mph)
• Cruise speed: 887 km/h (551 mph)
• Stall speed: 165 km/h (103 mph)
• Range: 2,100 km (1,305 miles)
• Combat radius: 555 km (345 miles)
• Service ceiling: 12,500 m (42,660 ft)
• Rate of climb: 65 m/s (10,000 ft/min)
• Wing loading: 276.4 kg/m² (56.60 lb/sq ft)
• Thrust/weight: 0.9

Armament

A symmetric or asymmetric weapon load, weighing up to 3,000 kg (6,600 lb) and consisting of various guided and un-guided weapons, auxiliary fuel tanks and electronics pods can be carried on 9 hardpoints: 1 on each wingtip, 3 under each wing, and 1 under the fuselage.
Yakovlev Yak-131
light attack aircraft for Su-25 replacement. This version will have cockpit and engine armour, a GSh-301 gun, and either the Phazotron Kopyo radar with mechanical or electronic beam scanning, or the Tikhomirov NIIP Osa passive phased array radar

 

[kaykay]

30-40

I am sure 30-40 Su-30s will be for initial batch.....Iran is a big country and it certainly need more than that.

 

[ptldM3]

Buying 30 40 Su 30 is wast of time and money and it will just add more trouble to air force ... This will be even less useful than Mig 29 ...


Do you think IRAF just collectiner ?!

Why we should training ( pilot and crew ) , new weapons , new maintance complex and etc just for 30- 40 fighter ?!

Who would buy production license and spend money for making production line for just 30 40 ?!

What drug did you use ?!

Buying 30 40 Su 30 is wast of time and money and it will just add more trouble to air force ... This will be even less useful than Mig 29 ...


Do you think IRAF just collectiner ?!

Why we should training ( pilot and crew ) , new weapons , new maintance complex and etc just for 30- 40 fighter ?!

Who would buy production license and spend money for making production line for just 30 40 ?!

What drug did you use ?!

What are you talking about? Tell me which aircraft in the IRAF has the rang and payload of an SU-30? Now factor in the maneuverability and multi role capabilities and it clear there is nothing in the Iranian fleet that can match the SU-30.


The SU-30 is a force multiplyer, a single SU-30 is many times more combat effectiveness than anything Iran has. In the end 40 SU-30s will inflict a lot more damage to Iran's enemies than the entire fleet of F-14s, F-4s and F-5s.

 

[Samak]

What are you talking about? Tell me which aircraft in the IRAF has the rang and payload of an SU-30? Now factor in the maneuverability and multi role capabilities and it clear there is nothing in the Iranian fleet that can match the SU-30.


The SU-30 is a force multiplyer, a single SU-30 is many times more combat effectiveness than anything Iran has. In the end 40 SU-30s will inflict a lot more damage to Iran's enemies than the entire fleet of F-14s, F-4s and F-5s.

I say we want to buy more than 150 Su 30 , but Soheil says we want to buy just 30-40 su 30 ...

logically , no one would buy production licensee of an fighter just to produce 30-40 fighter , this is irrational and unwise ...

if we want to revive our airforce , at least we need more than 150 4++ multirole fighters and that why we want to buy production licensse of Su-30 and build airframe and most of spare part in Iran ( probably we will still need to import engine and radars and some of air-to-air missles from Russia ) ...

buying 30-40 fighters is just ridiculing ourselves ...