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Iran sponsored sectarian terrorism in Pakistan. Revealing facts.

The problem with you and likes of you is that you guys don't know how and what to write. Your OP gives the impression that like all shias or vast majority of them is Iran's loyalist so much so that they will compromise on Pakistan's national interests. Which I find hard to believe but as far as a minor group in any community is community is concerned, yes I do believe they are sellouts and their activities are anti-state and should be treated as such and shias are no exception. Furthermore, having soft corner for Iran or KSA does not mean person puts Iran or KSA first vis-a-vis Pakistan rather think of Iran vs KSA. Shia people have a favourable view of Iran due to their sectarian affiliation and also being fed a lot of pro-Iran propaganda by certain people in their community. But same is true for some Deobandi / Wahabi since they have a favorable view of KSA.
But then their is a third category which is the largest category who are pro-Pakistan only and view every country according to its relations & history with Pakistan like we treat both Turkey and China as friendly countries. In the past, we had strained relations with GCC but recently we have got on good terms with them and KSA has been supporting Pakistan and we have been supporting them in the past so there is a whole different level of cooperation on political and military levels which is beyond sectarian relations. Millions of Pakistanis are working there due to our own bad economic and political policies. Why don't you find so many Malaysians or Indonesians working in GCC because they have developed their countries in a better way and their govt never offloaded they responsibility to provide employment and opportunities to grow to other countries.

Noted . Will be careful in phrasing my statements.
 
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I have invested far more in Pakistan then your entire tribe has or ever will. What exactly have you done for Pakistan. Oh let me guess your one of the 0.01% who pay taxes.[/QUOTE]
What you said above is called nau daultya behavior here in Pakistan it tells a lot about some person's background
 
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Yes. Did I say differant. Not to pooping in your ignorant mouth but I said "ex-pats".

I have invested far more in Pakistan then your entire tribe has or ever will. What exactly have you done for Pakistan. Oh let me guess your one of the 0.01% who pay taxes.

Yes. Did I say differant. Not to pooping in your ignorant mouth but I said "ex-pats".

Oh so now you are being disingenuous . You are a British national and those guys will never get citizenship of any middle eastern country. Those guys in the middle east are poor villagers that have left Pakistan out of necessity. By your own admission , you look down upon stupid villagers but interestingly enough , an over whelming majority of those Pakistani people in Gulf are exactly the type you hate the most.
So now , you are trying to mix yourself with them in order to make a point. Even then , if you categorize the data , the remittances send by them far exceeds anything send by their richer counterparts in Europe and North America.

idiot villagers you say , huh ?
 
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I had mentioned before as a close pal just converted to shia. the firts thing he said is that he is going to heaven for sure( never prayed in his life or fasted , even to this day).And that either u r a husseini or u r yazidi. So I guess if u aint sia u is going to hell. #twisted.
And yes, no surprises here. Its a cult so naturally their loyalty lies elsewhere.
But sir we have our own similar cults in sunni islam with same or similar beliefs.
 
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extremism is a negative human condition/attitude like apathy cruelty arrogance pride etc its not restricted to religion race sect cast you will find it everywhere in this world in many/every scenario.

if we want pakistan to live long and prosper a vulcan mantra we should unite our nation not divide we should include not exclude our own people.
 
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No, it should be Islam first, Islam second, Islam third.

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Pakistan last
Islam is a religion and it has nothing to with any specific region and it is not even comparison of apples with oranges rather more like mangoes with plastic bag or match stick..totally different and irrelevant.
The problem is sectarianism and affiliations with certain countries based on one's sect.
 
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Islam is the religion and being Muslim and being Pakistani gels in perfectly.

But sir we have our own similar cults in sunni islam with same or similar beliefs.
Definitely the idiots who do suicide attacks have been brain washed beyond words and those idiots are not shia or sunni rather follow takfiri ideology.
 
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Wishful thinking.

Iran is a regional power and governs Pakistan like a vassal. This is just paid propaganda by the evil ones to trigger a war.
 
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“We were going after the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan and Jamaat-al-Ahrar but the attack on Maulana Taqi Usmani moved our attention to this group,” a counterterrorism official told Samaa Digital on condition of anonymity because he is not authorized to speak with the media.

The counter-terrorism official said that they don’t know how many more people are active in Karachi with this group. “Even the boys, who are working with this group, don’t know about the other members,” he claimed. “They become active after they are given targets and then they slip away to Iran.”

In his May 6 press conference DIG Amir Farooqui had said that one of the suspects, Syed Imran Haider Zaidi, had visited a neighbouring country in 2015 and 2017 and received 25 days of “militancy training” twice under the supervision of their “national guards”. He said that Zaidi had tasked his group members to recruit media persons belonging to the Shia community and send them to the neighbouring country for training.

In another press conference, on April 15, the counter-terrorism department had said that it had arrested six sectarian target killers, including a police constable, suspected of ties to a neighbouring country.


Counter-Terrorism Department DIG Abdullah Sheikh had told reporters that the arrested men received financial help from a neighbouring country. “The arrested terrorists would hide in a neighboring Islamic country after killing people in Karachi on sectarian grounds,” Shaikh said. “They are highly qualified and are trained in a foreign country from where they would also get financial help.”

They belonged to the Tehrik-e-Jafaria Pakistan and Sipah-e-Muhammad Pakistan, Raja Umar Khattab, another CTD official said. Their names were not on the list of missing persons, a representative of the Shia missing person families added.

A security officer told Samaa Digital that the five arrested men (declared on May 6) had been in contact with “handlers” in Iran and their numbers had been traced. One of the numbers belonged to a non-local recruiter of the Zainebiyoun Brigade, he said.

The Liwa Zainebiyoun (People of Zainab Brigade) is a pro-Iran group that was formed to protect the shrine of Sayyidah Zainab (May Allah be pleased with her) in Syria in what is believed to be 2014 or 2015. “Around 800 to 2,500 Pakistani fighters are in the group,” according to Phillip Smyth, a Soref fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy. “The Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps recruits Pakistani Shias to fight using Shia religious networks.”

He told Samaa Digital that the recruitment is often done through local clerics and other leaders. “Then individuals travel to Iran (often to Tehran or Qom), ostensibly for pilgrimage or for religious education and are then sent to training camps.” Liwa Zainebiyoun has been deployed throughout Syria, particularly in the north and east of the country, he added.


It seems that the authorities in Pakistan had picked up on this early on. In August, 2014, the National Counter Terrorism Authority wrote a letter to all the provincial home secretaries and law enforcement agencies, warning them that, “Iraqi and Iranian missions in Pakistan are actively attracting Shia students desirous of studying in their countries.” The confidential letter said that Shia students were being brainwashed and motivated against other sects and Pakistani government officials over the killings of Shias in Pakistan.

According to Aamir Rana, a security analyst and the director of the Pakistan Institute of Peace Studies, scores of Pakistani Shias have been to Syria. “Many were arrested from Punjab and Parachinaar after they returned to Pakistan,” Rana said.

The clerics, however, declined to confirm that there were any links between the community and Liwa Zainebiyoun. Hasan Raza Sohail said, however, that members of the Shia community haven’t broken any laws in Pakistan even if they had hypothetically gone to Syria to fight. “We will proudly own them If they go to Syria,” Sohail said, adding that for them it was a religious obligation to protect the holy sites such as the resting place of Bibi Zainab (AS).

Loyalty to Iran is a factor for some Shia clerics in Pakistan, argues Lt Gen (retired) Amjad Shoaib, a defense analyst. “Many of them were educated in Qom and they still get Wazifa from Iran,” he told Samaa Digital. “When we sign any agreement with Saudi Arabia, people here object that Iran would be offended,” the former army official said, pointing to the delicate balances of geopolitics.

It certainly doesn’t help that the Shias have faced countless attacks in Pakistan, he said. “The Hazaras were targeted because they could be recognized [easily].” Iran believes that the Shia community in Pakistan is oppressed and they train their people, he added. Iran has faced terrorism in the past and has suspected Pakistan was behind it.

“They recruited Pakistani Shias when Daesh came to Syria,” he said. “Many people from Parachinar were recruited, trained and sent to Syria.”

He believes that both those who joined Daesh and Zainebiyoun were equally dangerous. “A brainwashed individual is dangerous regardless of his sect,” he said. “No matter what their sect is, they commit acts of terrorism.”

And so the desperate torsion of interlocking local and regional politics continues to exert its pressures on the lives of people. The State grapples with the threat of terrorism, its law-enforcement machinery working overtime. The Shia community in Pakistan continues to find itself at the centre of a widening regional battle. But if the dharna is anything to go by this time, at least some effect was to be had.

https://www.samaa.tv/latest-news/20...annot-be-named/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Finally some attention is being given to this issue.

We tend to walk on egg shells when it comes to Iran and it’s exploitation of our Shia population, but something really needs to be done as it’s getting out of hand.

Thanks for sharing.
 
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Finally some attention is being given to this issue.

We tend to walk on egg shells when it comes to Iran and it’s exploitation of our Shia population, but something really needs to be done as it’s getting out of hand.

Thanks for sharing.

Both Iran and Saudi are exploiting faults in our society tho Saudi is the worst at it there Arabization push towards everyone mixed in with Western geo political interests for the last 3 decades Iran tho limited to just supporting local political parties and groups have become reactionary both are causing this but Saudi at fault
 
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So some shia folks using pilgrimage as an excuse to get into Iran and then get trained and brainwashed.

I have said it before and I am saying it again. A good chunk of Shias in Pakistan have more loyalty to Iran than Pakistan. Admins can censor this comment but it won't hide the facts.
Remember, they all are Pakistani born.. Non of them came from Iran to do terrorism over here.

Shias in Pakistan have learnt the hard way not to support militants of any kind except the state ! as in the past many use to support kashmiri mujahid , afghan taliban or iraqi insurgents but than that kind turned on them and slaughtered them all over pakistan so they support none other than the state of pakistan and her law enforcement. So please reconsider your opinion
 
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Define "we." As far as data is concerned, majority of remittances come from Gulf countries , not from UK.
This is true... people living and settled in EU have their families with them and cost of living are high i.e. taxes etc so they send very little to Pakistan while Pakistani labourers working in GCC live mostly alone so they send most of their earning back to their family ( and the stress is on family) in Pakistan also the in GCC taxes are lower compared to the West so they get to save more and send back more. Furthermore, no one is basically sending the money to help Pakistan but the main reason is to help their families and this consequently helps Pakistan but that is not main reason otherwise the people who have moved their families out of Pakistan would keep sending the remittances to the govt of Pakistan. However, there are individuals who always support different causes in Pakistan and send money from time to time...so all sides should be considered.
 
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