Iran sponsored sectarian terrorism in Pakistan. Revealing facts.

[pakpride00090]

Define good chunk please?

Enough to cause trouble over here. Please read the article I posted.
I don't intend to demonize shias. There is no any intention. People usually ignored calling Iran and its some Shia supporters out to preserve harmony.

 

[war&peace]

I call complete and total BS on that.

My entire family on my father's side is Shia and my siblings are practicing Shia. There is respect for Iran for various reasons but there is not an iota of doubt about their loyalties to Pakistan.

The reason Admins delete comments such as yours is because they are nothing but hateful, sectarian propaganda meant to demonize an entire community. Don't smear and denigrate an entire community because some people might be pursuing the agendas of Iran or Saudi Arabia.

I, personally,'m against this censorship as long as basic decency and rules are followed. People should debate, discuss controversial issues but in the civil manner. By removing the thread or banning the members does not resolve the issue, it just hides from our eyes. Some people may have some hidden agenda but there are a lot of genuine people who genuinely feel this way.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

It should have been Pakistan first and everything second.

No, it should be Islam first, Islam second, Islam third.

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[B.K.N]

My dear ..why blind yourself in sects...by your logic then all the salfi sect people in Pakistan are part of daesh! and sponsored by Saudi, Qatar & UAE.

let it go ..grow above sects! Muhammed Ali Jinnah was a shia! what are you gonna say about that ....leave it grow above! like me...Illiterate and misinformed/Misguided people are every where ..point in you are not illiterate Allah has given you Ilm so you are illirate enough to sit and write on internet!

Are you a Muslim...Alhamdullah i Think you are! What does our prophet S.A.W use to do? again spewing acid and filling your heart with hatred for what? grow up they are more important things in life...family, friends and Country!

Sectarianism started in Pakistan after Iranian revolution which clears everything

 

[Indus Pakistan]

And why a British citizen is so concerned about what Pakistanis do

I have Pakistani citizenship as well. And we [contribute [remittances] more to Pakistan then people like you who 99% don't pay tax.

And Jinnah was also a British citizen who lived in Britain for big chunk of his life. So was the fcuking guy who named 'Pakistan'. Read Rehmat Ali. It was not village idiots who neither provide the finances or intellectual output behind making of Pakistan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_Declaration

 

[pakpride00090]

No, it should be Islam first, Islam second, Islam third.

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It is not just Islam . Some of them put Ethnicity , some of them put sect , some of them put their own tribe , some of them put their language , some of them put their own province , some of them put foreign interests , some of them put their party at top and etc.

Pakistan always comes down later.

 

[Metanoia]

In general, one of the most vital reason why we have individuals in our country who join foreign ideological groups of either sect is because of the following vacuum within Pakistan:

1) Lack of national identity
2) Pathetic quality of life
3) Unemployment
4) Injustice and insecurity
5) Extreme oppression
6) Ultimately, poor state of affairs and hopelessness

This vacuum pushes people to look towards ideological/terrorist groups which instil in them a sense of purpose, a sense of belonging, a sense of security, as well as hope (for a better future through their misguided actions).

Ultimately it is the responsibility of the Pakistani establishment, elite as well as the Pakistani state to fill this vacuum, otherwise there will never be any shortage of Daeshis, Labbaikis, Zainabiyouns, etc.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Sectarianism started in Pakistan after Iranian revolution which clears everything

So did mobiles phones, American invasion of Afghanistan, drone attacks. Is that fault of the Iranian revolution as well?

And why a British citizen is so concerned about what Pakistanis do

Just to clarify the webmaster behind PDF is American citizen and possibly 40% of members here are ex-pat Pakistanis living abroad in USA, Europe, Britiain, Canada, Australia etc which is why English is the medium being used here. So get out of that hole you live in and develop a open mind.

It is not just Islam . Some of them put Ethnicity , some of them put sect , some of them put their own tribe , some of them put their language , some of them put their own province , some of them put foreign interests , some of them put their party at top and etc.

Pakistan always comes down later.

100% agreed,

 

[Kaniska]

So some shia folks using pilgrimage as an excuse to get into Iran and then get trained and brainwashed.

I have said it before and I am saying it again. A good chunk of Shias in Pakistan have more loyalty to Iran than Pakistan. Admins can censor this comment but it won't hide the facts.
Remember, they all are Pakistani born.. Non of them came from Iran to do terrorism over here.

Why are you blaming Shias only?? Just widen your horizon ask the question to all Non Shia Muslims about their loyality to country or religion..You will get the answer by yourself..

 

[B.K.N]

I have Pakistani citizenship as well. And we [contribute [remittances] more to Pakistan then people like you who 99% don't pay tax.

And Jinnah was also a British citizen who lived in Britain for big chunk of his life. So was the fcuking guy who named 'Pakistan'. Read Rehmat Ali. It was not village idiots like you who neither provide the finances or intellectual output behind making of Pakistan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_Declaration

People from Pakistan go to other countries due to poverty and later talk as if they are the reason Pakistan is still running. And I don't care for the people you mentioned in your post

 

[war&peace]

Enough to cause trouble over here. Please read the article I posted.
I don't intend to demonize shias. There is no any intention. People usually ignored calling Iran and its some Shia supporters out to preserve harmony.

The problem with you and likes of you is that you guys don't know how and what to write. Your OP gives the impression that like all shias or vast majority of them is Iran's loyalist so much so that they will compromise on Pakistan's national interests. Which I find hard to believe but as far as a minor group in any community is community is concerned, yes I do believe they are sellouts and their activities are anti-state and should be treated as such and shias are no exception. Furthermore, having soft corner for Iran or KSA does not mean person puts Iran or KSA first vis-a-vis Pakistan rather think of Iran vs KSA. Shia people have a favourable view of Iran due to their sectarian affiliation and also being fed a lot of pro-Iran propaganda by certain people in their community. But same is true for some Deobandi / Wahabi since they have a favorable view of KSA.
But then their is a third category which is the largest category who are pro-Pakistan only and view every country according to its relations & history with Pakistan like we treat both Turkey and China as friendly countries. In the past, we had strained relations with GCC but recently we have got on good terms with them and KSA has been supporting Pakistan and we have been supporting them in the past so there is a whole different level of cooperation on political and military levels which is beyond sectarian relations. Millions of Pakistanis are working there due to our own bad economic and political policies. Why don't you find so many Malaysians or Indonesians working in GCC because they have developed their countries in a better way and their govt never offloaded they responsibility to provide employment and opportunities to grow to other countries.

 

[Crusher]

All ethno fascist parties like MQM , PTM , ANP , Mengal group should have been dealt severely.

These must be banned, they are all hate preaching pos parties, the prime target of their hate are punjabi muslims of punjab province.

All religious parties should have been banned from the beginning.

Absolutely, no religious organization should be allowed to contest election. All these religious organizations headed by bearded and turbaned big bellly molvis should all be banned from contesting elections. Molvis have no business in politics, they should only work in masjids and madrissas.

 

[pakpride00090]

I have Pakistani citizenship as well. And we [contribute [remittances] more to Pakistan then people like you who 99% don't pay tax.

And Jinnah was also a British citizen who lived in Britain for big chunk of his life. So was the fcuking guy who named 'Pakistan'. Read Rehmat Ali. It was not village idiots like you who neither provide the finances or intellectual output behind making of Pakistan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_Declaration

Not to be party pooper but you need to get few things right.

Define "we." As far as data is concerned, majority of remittances come from Gulf countries , not from UK.

And Jinnah was also a British citizen who lived in Britain for big chunk of his life.

Yeah so ? Imran khan came back as well. Built univeristies , hospitals , brought money and in fact a woman from there. He lives here and will die here.... Did you do anything of equal measure ? The best defense is " oh we send remittances ."

It was not village idiots like you who neither provide the finances or intellectual output behind making of Pakistan.

That is classism and something civilized people should not do. Heck they should even look down on people who are born into villages.

Man..come up with a valid reason to discuss..it is an open forum where everyone can participate and provide opinion...Feel free to jump into any forum as you wish to rather than getting personal as Indian/Pakistan here..

Not interested in entertaining an Indian. If I had individual control of this thread(not forum), I would have blocked Indians out of it by default. You are not welcomed on my thread.

 

[Fawadqasim1]

So some shia folks using pilgrimage as an excuse to get into Iran and then get trained and brainwashed.

I have said it before and I am saying it again. A good chunk of Shias in Pakistan have more loyalty to Iran than Pakistan. Admins can censor this comment but it won't hide the facts.
Remember, they all are Pakistani born.. Non of them came from Iran to do terrorism over here.

I don't agree with you sir some of them yes
buy most of them are loyal pakistanis and they are our intellectual asset this is an extreme example of generalisation. I don't agree with you sir. Remember sir hate begets hate.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Why are you blaming Shias only?? Just widen your horizon ask the question to all Non Shia Muslims about their loyality to country or religion..You will get the answer by yourself..

Kaniksha, the problem runs deep. If Pakistan was created for Muslims [Islam] then it is entirely natural for the citizens to place Islam first. Since Islam is a religion and Pakistan is a nation state with borders it places contradictions and tension between both. Do the citizens show supremacy to the Pakistan state or Islam. If Islam then it follows that Shias will naturally gravitate to Shia global diaspora, the Sunni to the global Sunni diaspora etc.

Does it surprise anybody that we have citizens picking up the guin to espouse or fight for Islam [their interpretation of it] and you see suicide bombers blow themselves in pursuit of thier belief and faith.

Define "we." As far as data is concerned, majority of remittances come from Gulf countries , not from UK.

Yes. Did I say differant. I said "ex-pats".

Did you do anything of equal measure ?

I have invested far more in Pakistan then your entire tribe has or ever will. What exactly have you done for Pakistan. Oh let me guess your one of the 0.01% who pay taxes.