Iran shows film of captured US drone

[gambit]

Iranians deliberately hides the lower part of the aircraft

Why? Like I asked, so what if there are damages?

 

[Mabs]

The condition that the plane got out of reach of the home base for some reason, and then landed on it's own pre planned destination seems the most plausible. But , the alternate airfield should be in friendly territory no? Why in Iran, or did it just run out of fuel? Or was the fuel contaminated?

The story that Iran hacked the plane is really not believable.

At this point, it does not matter how Iran got the drone or what methods were employed to acquire it, what matters is what is going to happen next to this machine and where it's headed. Even if we are to believe that the drone has no sensitive equipment inside it, the drone itself is a huge catch.

There's ton of know-how in just the radar evading body of the drone. The question of 'how' is moot at this juncture.

 

[gambit]

At this point, it does not matter how Iran got the drone or what methods were employed to acquire it, what matter is what is goon to happen next to this machine. Even if we are to believe that the structure has no sensitive equipm

Wrong. It does matter. Not just to US but to everyone. We would have to reassess our tactics in using these things and everyone would be eager to acquire the knowledge of those techniques. If anything, the techniques are more important because they can either completely negate or drastically reduce the effectiveness of drones and aircrafts.

 

[Mabs]

Wrong. It does matter. Not just to US but to everyone. We would have to reassess our tactics in using these things and everyone would be eager to acquire the knowledge of those techniques. If anything, the techniques are more important because they can either completely negate or drastically reduce the effectiveness of drones and aircrafts.

Yes, but it will not change the fact that Iran indeed is in possesion of the wayward drone, and in a position to deal with it on its own terms. To that extent, it is useless to squabble over what happened. Instead of sweating over how Iran got the drone, US should be prudent and analyzing how 'We' lost it.

 

[gambit]

Yes, but it will not change the fact that Iran indeed is in possesion of the wayward drone, and in a position to deal with it on its own terms. To that extent, it is useless to squabble over what happened. Instead of sweating over how Iran fot the drone, it w

Your countries can call it 'squabble' if you like. But we prefer to take a more critical approach.

 

[LeGenD]

Turns out, western tech isn't as advanced as it is rumored to be. Now what do those western fan boys say about America?.... Yeah !! America is years ahead of her adversaries ....... I guess Iranians had help from Martians then.

Your argument is weak.

Correct answer is research and development.

In Pakistan, importance of research has not yet been properly realized. Education sector is still being neglected. This is the problem.

if america was catching some alien technology being assessed in area 51, then they might be winning the afghan war

tchnologically superior:YES
can guarentee victory over less technological adversory:NO

Bro, what you consider as victory is not victory in my opinion.

Key thing is to prevent occupation in the first place. This should be the benchmark for Islamic nations.

 

[gambit]

There's ton of know-how in just the radar evading body of the drone.

For the drone? Not really. The flying wing's low radar observability was known since WW II. The shape is natural for it. Why do you think the B-2 looks like that? But as far as low radar observability go, what will be the most beneficial for Iranian scientists and engineers will be the PROPORTIONS of the shape to take maximum advantage of the shape's natural low radar reflectivity characteristic. In every complex shape, there is a point where EVERYTHING is 'just right' in its position and dimensions. That is why designing for 'stealth' is so expensive and time consuming: Find the best if not the ideal proportions.

 

[Jango]

Yes, the alternate airfield should be 'friendly'. But is it possible to leave out that condition? Yes. Would it be stupid? Yes.

As for fuel, here are the three options that can be built-in I presented that NO ONE successfully disputed in the event of a loss of contact and control...

- Continue on current heading.
- Enter an orbit.
- Self destruct.

Options 1 and 2 offer you a chance of reestablishment of control. Option 3 does not. Remember, just because you lost control it does not mean the loss is permanent, so options 1 and 2 are desirable.

If option 1 is built-in or programmed, then the odds of reestablishing control decreases as the drone gets further away from you. That leave option 2 as the best. But since fuel is a finite factor, either you give the drone programmed instructions on what to do WHEN fuel quantity is spent below a certain level, or you do nothing and just let the drone crash from lack of fuel.

And no, fuel contamination is irrelevant.

Most likely what happened is that contact with the drone was lost and the drone wandered into Iranian airspace. In that course, eventually it was detected because in truth, nothing is invisible to radar. We never claimed such power. Whether the thing presented by Iran is 'the one' or not we do not know.

What do you mean by continue on current heading? If it keeps going on, it would end up somewhere and it might be enemy territory.

The U-2 had a self destruct buttoon if I am not mistaken, so this might have had it too.

The most likely scenario is that the drone got out of touch with base, and then continued for sometime until it lost fuel and glided down safely.

The bolded part is most probably what might have happened.

 

[gambit]

What do you mean by continue on current heading? If it keeps going on, it would end up somewhere and it might be enemy territory.

That is why this option is not the best.

The U-2 had a self destruct buttoon if I am not mistaken, so this might have had it too.

No such feature on the U-2.

The most likely scenario is that the drone got out of touch with base, and then continued for sometime until it lost fuel and glided down safely.

The bolded part is most probably what might have happened.

Yeah...But that would take away from Iran's alleged technical prowess. That is why most people here do not like logical and critical thinking. For US, everyone immediately position themselves as eminent skeptics and critical thinkers. One can easily imagine a serious countenance puffing away at a pipe in deep thoughts about what the US just said. But for everyone else, and in this case for Iran, everyone is pretty much sheeple: Baaaaahhhh...

 

[Jango]

That is why this option is not the best.


No such feature on the U-2.


Yeah...But that would take away from Iran's alleged technical prowess. That is why most people here do not like logical and critical thinking. For US, everyone immediately position themselves as eminent skeptics and critical thinkers. One can easily imagine a serious countenance puffing away at a pipe in deep thoughts about what the US just said. But for everyone else, and in this case for Iran, everyone is pretty much sheeple: Baaaaahhhh...

Read about the self destruct feature on countless places, blaming the pilot for not using it before ejection.

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Technical failure is the most reasonable cause.

The drone being shot down is evidently not the case, neither is Iran hacking it.

 

[Mabs]

Your countries can call it 'squabble' if you like. But we prefer to take a more critical approach.

Using the words such as ' your countries' and 'we' to get your point across hardly qualifies as being 'critical'. Your post reeks of emotional imbalance.

 

[gambit]

Using the words such as ' your countries' and 'we' to get your point across hardly qualifies as being 'critical'. Your post reeks of emotional imbalance.

I have no problems with that diagnosis.

 

[Mabs]

For the drone? Not really. The flying wing's low radar observability was known since WW II. The shape is natural for it. Why do you think the B-2 looks like that? But as far as low radar observability go, what will be the most beneficial for Iranian scientists and engineers will be the PROPORTIONS of the shape to take maximum advantage of the shape's natural low radar reflectivity characteristic. In every complex shape, there is a point where EVERYTHING is 'just right' in its position and dimensions. That is why designing for 'stealth' is so expensive and time consuming: Find the best if not the ideal proportions.

That, and the huge bargaining strength Iran has now vis-a-vis which other countries are allowed a peek at the drone. I would consider it a bitter sweet victory for the US if Iran is the 'only' country trying to get those 'proportions' right.

 

[poseidon]

the Iranian recovered it? or it is a fake?

Even USA officials have confirmed its real.

The individual components are on their way to China Don't worry. It is just a guess or maybe a truth?

So Iran is gonna give you some of this before they reverse engineer it themselves? Iran will not give you any of it, since then only we and Iran will then have this drone, besides you dont have anything to offer them for it.

 

[somebozo]

I tell you in all honest the UAV episode seems to be the last nail in the coffin of Al Sauds falling out of favor in the Islamic world. Shia Sunni rivalry aside but recently a lot of negative developments are taking place in the Arab world. The Syrian revolution is fast moving towards the failure as moderate elements want dialogue with Assad rather than a political take over by religious lunatic much like what happened in Libya. The Saudis are hell bent on proving to the world the might of GCC block and demonstrating it as some sort of unitied political and cultural force which they aren't to begin with. And there has been no condemnation of NATO attack by the Saudis, compare this with 90's when they openly supported our nuclear program.