'Iran ready to send peacekeepers to UK'

[gambit]

We cannot prosecute the bank robber unless we have him in custody. Imperial Japan refused to surrender. So how can the Allies prosecute anyone?

 

[Roybot]

Firstly, one of the other countries on that list, has actually already used nuclear weapons against a civilian population.

No. But one of them actually did.

america has already 'nuked' twice in japan

Am not quite sure, why you guys think thats this is a good reason for Iran to have nukes, cause US used it in 1945 during a world war? Seeing the destruction it caused it should be good enough reason for the world to make sure that no irresponsible country gets nuke. Israel has had nukes for a while now, if it was meant for attacking middle eastern countries, Israel would have used it by now.

iran says that it will nuke israel, but iran knows if it nukes israel, israel also has nukes to retaliate, israel is dangerous enough for entire middle east, its not iran but israel who has fought with numerous middle east countries like syria, lebanon, egypt, palestine, iraq etc n has feuds with present turkey government, and iranian regime, israel has been unaccepted by numerous islamic and non islamic countries, iran doesnt have those features so decide for your self

Its not just Israel who doesn't want Iran to have nukes, a lot of Arab countries don't approve of this idea either. Once Iran gets nukes, Saudi Arabia gets it too. I mean where does it stop?

Secondly, has Iran ever actually threatened to nuke Israel? I know about that "wipe off the map" quote, and I also know it was a mistranslation, that was directed at the regime and not the country itself.

I'm also quite sure that the supreme Ayatollah of Iran declared a religious Fatwa, that says the creation/use of nuclear weapons is forbidden by their interpretation of Islam.

Iran getting nuke will change the balance in the middle east. Israel isn't the only enemy Iran has. And that religious fatwa you speak of is a hogwash. Just a facade, too little too late. If Iran had wanted it could have quietly made nukes like India and Pakistan did, and the world would have eventually come to terms with it.

Now that their nuke program is out in the open, world is not going to let it happen.

 

[superNova]

What do YOU believe is appropriate justice for the atrocities Imperial Japan committed on Asia? Like Unit 731, for example.

if the same exact feelings would arise for palestinians, who would criticise iran for such acts after what israel has done to them, believe me US would be appreciating palestinians for condoning iran

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

We cannot prosecute the bank robber unless we have him in custody. Imperial Japan refused to surrender. So how can the Allies prosecute anyone?

Time to get back to the topic.

You asked three questions and have been answered each time by three separate Chinese members.

You can continue via PM, or start another thread if you like.

 

[gambit]

if the same exact feelings would arise for palestinians, who would criticise iran for such acts after what israel has done to them, believe me US would be appreciating palestinians for condoning iran

Is Iran the appointed defender for the Palestinians? Did Iran suffered any egregious injuries in the Israeli/Palestinians conflict?

 

[gambit]

Time to get back to the topic.

You asked three questions and have been answered each time by three separate Chinese members.

You can continue via PM, or start another thread if you like.

No...They were not answered. They were evaded. Looks like you guys failed, spectacularly at that.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Iran getting nuke will change the balance in the middle east. Israel isn't the only enemy Iran has. And that religious fatwa you speak of is a hogwash. Just a facade, too little too late. If Iran had wanted it could have quietly made nukes like India and Pakistan did, and the world would have eventually come to terms with it.

Remember that Iran is an Islamic society, a Fatwa actually has a lot of weight there.

So they have a religious and legal reason not to make or use nukes, which is a LOT better than a "no first use" pledge from China or India, that doesn't actually count for anything in a real life situation. And both these NFU pledges only apply towards non-nuclear states anyway.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

No...They were not answered. They were evaded. Looks like you guys failed, spectacularly at that.

All three Chinese members said that "executing the war criminals" was an appropriate punishment, and that was exactly what happened.

If you want to justify being the only nation in the history of the world that has used nuclear weapons against a civilian population, please go ahead.

I don't personally see Iran as being somehow "less responsible", than Russia/China/UK/France/Pakistan/India/Israel, all of whom have never used nuclear weapons on civilians.

 

[longbrained]

That's no excuse for what's happening now. You are saying that the deaths are okay because past rulers were worse??

Which deaths you are referring to here? The ones in Paris, London or Kent State massacre? Because as I remember Iran had an election. Over a dozen American polling agencies polled Iran before and after election. The result was consistent and statically proved that the election was free and fair.
Then US and UK tried to do another operation Ajax which they had planned to the letter. Used all their media power and employed their terror intel units inside Iran to create once again another operation Ajax. What was Iran supposed to do. Deliver the country to Brits and Yankees just like they did in 1953 or fought back and keep the independence. I guess in any democracy when a minority propped up by the enemy to overthrow the rule of majority should be dealt expediently. If such a situation arises in Pakistan where in a minority supported and praised by India is to take over Pakistan's elected government rest assured that the response would not be any different. The same case is every where. In 1960's US government used to kill communist sympathizers inside US. Dr Kelly was killed by brit government to shut him up and many more. Iranian government was right. Read it here: http://brillwebsite.com/writings/iran2009election.html

 

[gambit]

All three Chinese members said that executing the war criminals was an appropriate punishement and that was what happened.

If you want to justify being the only nation in the history of the world that has used nuclear weapons against a civilian population, please go ahead.

It is reasonable enough. But in order to do so, we must have the people in custody. Tactics of war are used to either compel one side to surrender or to utterly destroy his ability to continue to prosecute the war. The former failed. Had it succeeded, then the A-bombs would not have been used. But the offer to surrender was rejected. So how can the Allies prosecute Japanese war criminals unless the Allies have them in custody?

 

[superNova]

Is Iran the appointed defender for the Palestinians? Did Iran suffered any egregious injuries in the Israeli/Palestinians conflict?

we are talking about iran nuking israel which is a hypothetical situation created by some indian, so my comments in respect to that

 

[888jamie888]

Which deaths you are referring to here? The ones in Paris, London or Kent State massacre? Because as I remember Iran had an election. Over a dozen American polling agencies polled Iran before and after election. The result was consistent and statically proved that the election was free and fair.
Then US and UK tried to do another operation Ajax which they had planned to the letter. Used all their media power and employed their terror intel units inside Iran to create once again another operation Ajax. What was Iran supposed to do. Deliver the country to Brits and Yankees just like they did in 1953 or fought back and keep the independence. I guess in any democracy when a minority propped up by the enemy to overthrow the rule of majority should be dealt expediently. If such a situation arises in Pakistan where in a minority supported and praised by India is to take over Pakistan's elected government rest assured that the response would not be any different. The same case is every where. In 1960's US government used to kill communist sympathizers inside US. Dr Kelly was killed by brit government to shut him up and many more. Iranian government was right. Read it here: http://brillwebsite.com/writings/iran2009election.html

Ermmm. I'm talking about how after the Iranian elections. Some protesters were shot. Quite simple really. I don't know what Paris has to do with it?

 

[gambit]

Which deaths you are referring to here? The ones in Paris, London or Kent State massacre? Because as I remember Iran had an election. Over a dozen American polling agencies polled Iran before and after election. The result was consistent and statically proved that the election was free and fair.
Then US and UK tried to do another operation Ajax which they had planned to the letter. Used all their media power and employed their terror intel units inside Iran to create once again another operation Ajax. What was Iran supposed to do. Deliver the country to Brits and Yankees just like they did in 1953 or fought back and keep the independence. I guess in any democracy when a minority propped up by the enemy to overthrow the rule of majority should be dealt expediently. If such a situation arises in Pakistan where in a minority supported and praised by India is to take over Pakistan's elected government rest assured that the response would not be any different. The same case is every where. In 1960's US government used to kill communist sympathizers inside US. Dr Kelly was killed by brit government to shut him up and many more. Iranian government was right. Read it here: http://brillwebsite.com/writings/iran2009election.html

Source for that claim, please. Keep in mind that recently the American Communist Party had their convention in NY City.

 

[gambit]

we are talking about iran nuking israel which is a hypothetical situation created by some indian, so my comments in respect to that

OK...So Iran is the self-appointed defender of the Palestinians in the Israeli/Palestinians conflict. And said guardianship involves military means. Am I correct and do YOU approve?

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

It is reasonable enough. But in order to do so, we must have the people in custody. Tactics of war are used to either compel one side to surrender or to utterly destroy his ability to continue to prosecute the war. The former failed. Had it succeeded, then the A-bombs would not have been used. But the offer to surrender was rejected. So how can the Allies prosecute Japanese war criminals unless the Allies have them in custody?

According to the "United States Strategic Bombing Survey", using two nuclear weapons on Japanese population centers was unnecessary, since Japan by that time was already defeated.

The 1946 United States Strategic Bombing Survey, written by Paul Nitze, concluded that the atomic bombs had been unnecessary to the winning of the war. After reviewing numerous documents, and interviewing hundreds of Japanese civilian and military leaders after Japan surrendered, Nitze reported:

Based on a detailed investigation of all the facts, and supported by the testimony of the surviving Japanese leaders involved, it is the Survey's opinion that certainly prior to 31 December 1945, and in all probability prior to 1 November 1945, Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped, even if Russia had not entered the war, and even if no invasion had been planned or contemplated.

Dwight D. Eisenhower himself, wrote that it was unnecessary because Japan was already defeated, in his book "The White House Years". Even Douglas MacArthur said it was unnecessary.

Now I'm no longer going to reply to you as this is off topic. This thread is about Iran and the UK.

On topic: As I said, I don't think Iran is any less responsible, than Russia/China/UK/France/India/Pakistan/Israel, ALL of whom have never used a nuclear weapon, on a civilian population.