Iran-Pakistan fallout over Bahrain

[chops3d]

now that pakistan soldiers will be there, there is a need for an eye to an eye, every mischief behrainian who hurt or killed pakistanis must be dealth in the same manner so that they can realize how it feels like hurting other people

 

[Developereo]

Again care to explain ur example???
R u comparing sunnis to christians? Thts one hell of an example.
Wat r the evil christian sunnis of bahrain doing there to change the balance? killing them?


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Do u know shias of bahrain consider them shia first n thn loyal to iran?

The real story of Bahrain's divided society | Tahiyya Lulu | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk

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Also if u go by this shia-sunni crap.... lets talk abt the sunnis in Iran?
But Nooo...... right?

P.S=The main thing is Iran is meddling in the affairs of bahrain just like in syria(a majority sunni country being raped by a shia dictator,lebanon)...........

I am not taking sides in a Shia/Sunni fight; I already expressed support for the Sunni majority in Syria against the Shia dictator Assad. This is an issue of democracy, not sectarian conflicts.

The protesters in Bahrain are both Shia and Sunni. It is most definitely not an anti-Sunni campaign; it is an anti-dictator campaign with special emphasis on immigration. The people of Bahrain -- both Shia and Sunni -- are unhappy with their government's policies, including immigration. Regardless of the fact that the immigrants are innocent victims in all this, the people of Bahrain have the right to decide their immigration policy. It should not be dictated by a tyrant's agenda for social engineering.

My hypothetical example with Pakistan was to illustrate the point of deliberate social engineering by an undemocratic government.

 

[RazorMC]

should that include the Al Khalipah family too? just like the Sauds, they were installed by the British and brought from main land Saudi Arabia

if Al khalipha family reads what you just said then it wont be very "amused"

If you mean that the ruling family is to be considered a foreigner, then no, my post does not include them. They are the ruling family and they are going to stay that way as far as I can see.
BTW, King of Jordan's ancestor was once the Ruler of the Hijaz, I'm sure you know. Interesting isn't it ?

 

[RazorMC]

More reason for Pakistan to support the Bahrain government. There are about 100,000 Pakistanis living in Bahrain. The government of Bahrain is pro-foreigners while the people are anti-foreigners.
... Maybe its a good thing to send our troops to Bahrain to protect the Pakistanis in Bahrain.

Retired officers are private citizens and they are only ones going there though. Military intervention makes us as bad as the US. We'd have to be either thick skinned or stupid to be able to endure the hatred that is going to boil against us.

Your second statement is right though, I think the Bahrainis were being a bit racist by denying others the right to gain nationality. I guess it was a move in the right direction since there are many developed countries who grant nationality/citizenship to foreigners. And it was a positive signal to the other Gulf States. As a Pakistani here, I can understand the significance of such a policy.
Not that I would change my passport though; I love Green. But not the current one, it seems odd to me not to have the dark green as our flag. Looks royal.

 

[Saleem]

I don't know why people are all excited about these "countries". these are robber barons and warlords who were bought, sold out to or coerced by imperial powers to give bases and ports-of-call in return for a free hand to oppress and exploit the "natives". Kuwait, Qater, the Gulf "shiekhdoms" - they gave landing rights to the british empire and then its successor the US after betraying the muslim government of the osmanlis. even the saudi state is a creation of the british empire - ever heard of Major Lawrence "of Arabia(!)" [the sauds made a living robbing haj caravans at one time -and now they are obliterating the legacy and heritage of islam in mekkah - witness their "development' schemes]. Nations are not created by drawing lines in the dirt. The "Kingdom" of Jordan was started from a railway car in a desolate railway station!

It is no wonder the US is on top of the world. popular representation, respect for human rights, justice...these qualities need to become intrinsic to the societies of the muslims - only then can they get anywhere. the first step is to jettison these attempts at legitimizing foreign forged self identities.

Learn something from the US - it welcomes people form all races and backgrounds....

 

[EjazR]

Some posters like BATMAN have been talking about somehow there is Iran-India "alliance" against Pakistan and how GCC countries always support Pakistan or something of that sort.

Just in economics, in that sense Saudi Arabia provides much more oil than Iran does to India and the GCC as a single entity is India's largest trading bloc in the world ahead of EU and China at around $120Billion.

And in the past few years, India has been clearly creating more close co-operation with GCC countries like UAE and Saudi Arabia given Manmohan visit to SA and reciprocal high level visits from Saudi Arabia including the Imam-e-Kaba visit where after his speech said Hindustan Zindabad.

So to use "friendly relations" with India as a means of foreign policy decisions for Pakistan supporting GCC to the hilt with personnel and troops would be a big fail given these circumstances given that GCC countries are probably close to India today than Iran.

 

[Majnun]

Iranis have been interfering in Bahrain and much of the Gulf, trying to extend its influence and compete with Saudi Arabia for regional influence.
As it is, Pakistan has to protect its expatriates there, and Saudi Arabia is an ally. But of course, needless to say, Pakistan should not show overt support for the regime.

 

[Abii]

I don't know why people are all excited about these "countries". these are robber barons and warlords who were bought, sold out to or coerced by imperial powers to give bases and ports-of-call in return for a free hand to oppress and exploit the "natives". Kuwait, Qater, the Gulf "shiekhdoms" - they gave landing rights to the british empire and then its successor the US after betraying the muslim government of the osmanlis. even the saudi state is a creation of the british empire - ever heard of Major Lawrence "of Arabia(!)" [the sauds made a living robbing haj caravans at one time -and now they are obliterating the legacy and heritage of islam in mekkah - witness their "development' schemes]. Nations are not created by drawing lines in the dirt. The "Kingdom" of Jordan was started from a railway car in a desolate railway station!

It is no wonder the US is on top of the world. popular representation, respect for human rights, justice...these qualities need to become intrinsic to the societies of the muslims - only then can they get anywhere. the first step is to jettison these attempts at legitimizing foreign forged self identities.

Learn something from the US - it welcomes people form all races and backgrounds....

you're talking to the wrong crowd
these guys are more brainwashed than Iranian basijis. They believe the hundreds of thousands of sunni and shia Arab people in Bahrain have been paid by Iran and are itching to be reunited with the motherland hahaha

little do they know that these guys fought tooth and nail for their freedom from Iran. Iran would be the last country on earth that they would lesson to.

They don't want to admit that Pakistani individuals are defending curropt sheikhs so they come up with absurd bs

 

[All-Green]

you're talking to the wrong crowd
these guys are more brainwashed than Iranian basijis. They believe the hundreds of thousands of sunni and shia Arab people in Bahrain have been paid by Iran and are itching to be reunited with the motherland hahaha

little do they know that these guys fought tooth and nail for their freedom from Iran. Iran would be the last country on earth that they would lesson to.

They don't want to admit that Pakistani individuals are defending curropt sheikhs so they come up with absurd bs

Excuse me but Pakistan Army has not been deployed to assist the Bahraini Leadership in crushing its opponents.
The individual Pakistanis can land a job anywhere in the world to sustain themselves, their intent shall not be to defend corrupt Sheikhs but instead to land a decent job and support their families.
In this regards your oversimplistic summarization of the role of Pakistanis is flawed at best.
A soldier does not take oath to defend a corrupt leader, they take oaths to defend a nation/country.

As per norms of the chain of command, if the Bahraini leadership issues an order... the Generals/Directors and their subordinate soldiers/agencies will have to obey.
Be it Pakistan, India, Iran, USA etc. The military is bound to answer the call of the country's leadership in times of crisis.
If an Army starts holding daily votes on whether the leadership is capable or not, i am afraid it shall seize to function as a military force and more as a political party.

Pakistanis joining Bahraini Police or Army does not imply that they want to thrash the Bahraini public, it is a profession and certainly something that cannot be labeled as illegal or immoral.
The purpose of Bahraini Military and Police is to serve the State and in this regards failure to do so is purely the fault of the leadership and not of the individual policemen and soldiers who are just trying to handle the situation as per directives given to them; flawed or otherwise.

Ofcourse as the situation worsens and the public unrest is truly seen as reflecting the negative sentiments of the overwhelming majority of Bahrainis, there is bound to be change in the mind of mid level leadership...however this shall take some time and a critical mass of population to persist in their protests.

Whether the Bahraini population is enough to cause such a situation is questionable.
The population in question just 1.2 Million and half of it are not nationals.
This leaves only 600,000 People in question.
Even if we assume that a very healthy percentage of 10% Bahraini Nationals take to the streets for a prolonged period of time...this shall be around 60,000 at best.

 

[Aslan]

I am not taking sides in a Shia/Sunni fight; I already expressed support for the Sunni majority in Syria against the Shia dictator Assad. This is an issue of democracy, not sectarian conflicts.

The protesters in Bahrain are both Shia and Sunni. It is most definitely not an anti-Sunni campaign; it is an anti-dictator campaign with special emphasis on immigration. The people of Bahrain -- both Shia and Sunni -- are unhappy with their government's policies, including immigration. Regardless of the fact that the immigrants are innocent victims in all this, the people of Bahrain have the right to decide their immigration policy. It should not be dictated by a tyrant's agenda for social engineering.

My hypothetical example with Pakistan was to illustrate the point of deliberate social engineering by an undemocratic government.

I am not going to get into a debate over things here, living in the region and having many family members living in Bahrain for generations all I can say is that there is more to this conflict then the naked eye can see. And about the point of it being a struggle for democracy which is backed by Iran talks volumes about what kind of a movement it is at the first place.

 

[Hussein]

I am not going to get into a debate over things here, living in the region and having many family members living in Bahrain for generations all I can say is that there is more to this conflict then the naked eye can see. And about the point of it being a struggle for democracy which is backed by Iran talks volumes about what kind of a movement it is at the first place.

i understand you protect your own family interests to take the jobs of the bahrainis
and i understand you didn't care about the segregation there
i understand that for explaining all of this by not showing your bad face / faith, you need to say there is ennemy behind : the great satan Iran
there are people suffering in Bahrain but you didn't care

Mod Edit: Refrain from attacking members based on their faith

 

[Abii]

I am not going to get into a debate over things here, living in the region and having many family members living in Bahrain for generations all I can say is that there is more to this conflict then the naked eye can see. And about the point of it being a struggle for democracy which is backed by Iran talks volumes about what kind of a movement it is at the first place.

how exactly is Iran "supporting" the Bahrainis by anything other than words? Isn't that the same thing Turkey and half a dozen other countries are doing? Don't tell me that the tens of thousands (more like hundreds of thousands) are screaming because Iran told them to do so lmao

bunch of conspiracy nutz we have here

 

[Aslan]

@ Hussein

Exactly the reason why I didnt want to get into this debate because then comes in a sorry loser who would rather pass judgement on my faith my believes and me being a Muslim. Then looking with in his own self and country to see that there indeed is a problem.

I dont have to start every post in this thread by saying that I am against the violence and killings, and I am not supporting the Evil rulers so forth and so on, just so that you would know that I dont condone it. Now where did u get an idea from my post that I dont care about the suffering of the people. And what was wrong in what I said that a movement backed by Iran cant be trusted. And when you so boldly stand here accusing me, why is it that a bigot like you cant find a word of condemnation for what your shia allies in Syria are doing to the Sunnis there.

As I said it before, I will say it again there is more to the whole scenario then the naked eye can see. And yes your Iranian gov that is supporting this whole sham is and cant be trusted. If you guys are so worried about the whole Ummah and being good Muslims, then start acting like a part of it. And stop meddling into your neighbors affairs. Including Pakistan's, stop supporting our enemies in your country, and stop supporting the Syrian gov in killing the Sunnis there, stop using the Hizballah as proxies through out the region. And for a change listen to your own people,oh yes the supporters of democratic movements who killed many with in their own country when they asked for their rights. Taking is cheap and you are good at being one.

 

[Aslan]

how exactly is Iran "supporting" the Bahrainis by anything other than words? Isn't that the same thing Turkey and half a dozen other countries are doing? Don't tell me that the tens of thousands (more like hundreds of thousands) are screaming because Iran told them to do so lmao

bunch of conspiracy nutz we have here

And who gave you the right to do that as well, go fix your house before interfering into someone else's. (this is by going by your word that your country is only giving out verbal support, which we both know is a bunch of bs to start with)
A bunch of hallucinating fools we have here.

 

[Aslan]

i understand you protect your own family interests to take the jobs of the bahrainis.

And PS that family of mine that you are accusing of taking away the jobs of some, are them self Bahrain's and is the 5th generation that is growing up in that country. They earn their share of the bread by hard work, and competing with others in an open business market. Not working in some ministerial job. Not that I owed you this explanation, but so that you would know. No one is stopping others from doing that work. And there are many shias who are wealthy business owners. If the shias want to act more like Iranians then a citizen of Bahrain whose fault is it.