Iran FM : No country has right to ask Iran to halt enrichment

[nirreich]

well you just tell me when Iran Lied about it's nuclear program

It lie for 20 years while developing a clandestine nuclear programme which was exposed by Iranian opposition group in 2002. Iran's commitment to the NPT demands it to declare on any nuclear facilty, materials, knowledge it has and let IAEA to have inspections. However, Iran concealed its nuclear programme and violated its international commitment. Why do you think it did that? To use this programme to produce electricity for "peaceful purposes"? Then why it was a clandestine programme? Why Iran continues to hide its full nuclear activity from IAEA? Why Iran is interested in information on developing a nuclear weapons device?

Do not be a fool of Iranian propaganda, the truth is very clear: Iran's tries to develop nuclear weapons.

 

[Hussein]

As I stated, your smoke screen and changing the topic to Israel will not change the fact that you did not deny my claim that Iran is trying to develop nuclear weapons. So just say that and stop all this manoeuvring.

this is passion not logic. you have the self conviction Iran doing Nuclear weapon so for you it is obvious Iran is doing so and
for us we see nothing that could start to give a doubt that Iran could start a nuclear program,
if we go on like this for such talks it goes nowhere.

Israel is not off topic since you are speaking about NPT and assistance: your country didn't need it.

Believe me after the revolution Iran had something else to wonder than stop NPT.

 

[nirreich]

even USA admit that Iran didn't decided to make a Bomb and it come out of the
mouth of Former head of CIA and Current defense minister then on what base
you claim Iran is making a nuclear weapon .
I can only think of two answer
1- you know something that nobody know if so then please share it with us.
2- you compare Iran with Israel and if so your argument is mute and not credible at all

I did not mention Israel, it is not relevant to the Iranian issue.

The evidence are there in IAEA report. Iran is moving towards nuclear weapons development just like North Korea. It is you choice if you want to be deceived by Iranian propaganda.

 

[Hack-Hook]

MacArthur could not have used nuclear weapons without Presidential approval. So your argument failed.

well if it was not because of UK you were going to bomb Vietnam to save french in Dien Bin Fu

 

[Serpentine]

Why Iran singed the dotted line. Iran shouldn't complaint if someone penalized her for not committing to the contract she signed.

Rest of the discussion is just nonsense of the highest level.

Can you explain more which part of NPT Iran didn't commit?I don't really understand all your animosity toward Iran.

 

[nirreich]

this is passion not logic. you have the self conviction Iran doing Nuclear weapon so for you it is obvious Iran is doing so and
for us we see nothing that could start to give a doubt that Iran could start a nuclear program,
if we go on like this for such talks it goes nowhere.

Israel is not off topic since you are speaking about NPT and assistance: your country didn't need it.

Believe me after the revolution Iran had something else to wonder than stop NPT.

I do not see why the idea that Iran is developing nuclear weapons is such a shocking idea for the Iranian members in this thread and their friends. Everyone agree on it - even Russia and China which reject more sanctions on Iran. Why it is such a bizarre idea?

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Can you explain more which part of NPT Iran didn't commit?I don't really understand all your animosity toward Iran.

Iran developed a clandestine nuclear programme for 20 years in clear violation of NPT.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Please notice everyone that this Iranian did not deny any of my claim, but turned to attack as the best defence.

Iran is developing nuclear weapons, why do you deny it?

I dare you to prove it that Iran is making a nuke

 

[nirreich]

I dare you to prove it that Iran is making a nuke

Please explain why Iran hide a clandestine nuclear programme for more than 20 years? Why Iran is interesting in information related to developing nuclear device?

If Iran only wants to have nuclear programme because of its energy needs (a claim which is also a deceive in light of Iran's large oil reserves), then why it rejected any arrangement that it will receive the necessary nuclear materials to operate such a programme but not own them? The entire Iranian position is a joke and just a pretext to develop a military nuclear programme. If you want to believe these lies go ahead and be a fool of Iranian propaganda.

Well, when the proof will be in everyone face with Iran's nuclear weapons test it will be too late. There are more there enough evidence to show than Iran is developing a nuclear weapons programme.

 

[Hack-Hook]

It lie for 20 years while developing a clandestine nuclear programme which was exposed by Iranian opposition group in 2002. Iran's commitment to the NPT demands it to declare on any nuclear facilty, materials, knowledge it has and let IAEA to have inspections. However, Iran concealed its nuclear programme and violated its international commitment. Why do you think it did that? To use this programme to produce electricity for "peaceful purposes"? Then why it was a clandestine programme? Why Iran continues to hide its full nuclear activity from IAEA? Why Iran is interested in information on developing a nuclear weapons device?

Do not be a fool of Iranian propaganda, the truth is very clear: Iran's tries to develop nuclear weapons.

well It show that you knew nothing about NPT what you said
is additional protocol which is not mandatory and Iran is not
a signatory of it . according to NPT iran must declare facilities
materials and devices just 6 month before introducing nuclear
material into them .

well all Iran nuclear materials were announced to IAEA even
before the revolution now tell me which part of NPT has been
violated by Iran .

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Complete embargo on economic connections except humanitarian aid and clear threat to use force in case Iran does not stop its nuclear weapons development.

why because you say so ?

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I did not mention Israel, it is not relevant to the Iranian issue.

The evidence are there in IAEA report. Iran is moving towards nuclear weapons development just like North Korea. It is you choice if you want to be deceived by Iranian propaganda.

well were is evidence show us . only claims worth nothing

 

[nirreich]

well It show that you knew nothing about NPT what you said
is additional protocol which is not mandatory and Iran is not
a signatory of it . according to NPT iran must declare facilities
materials and devices just 6 month before introducing nuclear
material into them .

well all Iran nuclear materials were announced to IAEA even
before the revolution now tell me which part of NPT has been
violated by Iran .

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why because you say so ?

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well were is evidence show us . only claims worth nothing

Iran bought from China in 1991 enough UF6 material for its uranium enrichment programme for developing a nuclear bomb. Yet, Iran did not report that to IAEA. Iran built an enrichment facility in Natanz a nuclear reactor in Arak and did no report on them. This is not a violation? Why do you think they did not report this nuclear activity? Because they want to produce electricity? That is worth international condemnation and sanctions? Oh, please.

Regarding the actions against Iran, I just answered to a direct question what will definitely persuade Iran to halt its nuclear weapons programme

 

[Hack-Hook]

Please explain why Iran hide a clandestine nuclear programme for more than 20 years? Why Iran is interesting in information related to developing nuclear device?

If Iran only wants to have nuclear programme because of its energy needs (a claim which is also a deceive in light of Iran's large oil reserves), then why it rejected any arrangement that it will receive the necessary nuclear materials to operate such a programme but not own them? The entire Iranian position is a joke and just a pretext to develop a military nuclear programme. If you want to believe these lies go ahead and be a fool of Iranian propaganda.

Well, when the proof will be in everyone face with Iran's nuclear weapons test it will be too late. There are more there enough evidence to show than Iran is developing a nuclear weapons programme.

well Iran didn't hide it . It was in front of every one eyes to see it but if they were blind it was not Iran problem
and more importantly Iran have no obligation to tell IAEA about it's activities until 6 month before introducing
nuclear materials

and n one have the right to tell Iran not to have diversity in energy ,Russia
and USA also have oil and Gas and they have nuclear reactors .


and why Iran don't accept any arrangement when it denies the ownership of
materials . have you forgot about Eurodif iran owned 10% of it but they didn't
provided Iran for the material needed for Tehran Research reactor. well fool
me once shame on you but fool me twice and shame on me.

Eurodif - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

proof is not a detonated bomb but you can prove it by showing any nuclear
material that have deviated from peaceful program .

 

[longbrained]

well Iran didn't hide it . It was in front of every one eyes to see it but if they were blind it was not Iran problem
and more importantly Iran have no obligation to tell IAEA about it's activities until 6 month before introducing
nuclear materials

and n one have the right to tell Iran not to have diversity in energy ,Russia
and USA also have oil and Gas and they have nuclear reactors .


and why Iran don't accept any arrangement when it denies the ownership of
materials . have you forgot about Eurodif iran owned 10% of it but they didn't
provided Iran for the material needed for Tehran Research reactor. well fool
me once shame on you but fool me twice and shame on me.

Eurodif - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

proof is not a detonated bomb but you can prove it by showing any nuclear
material that have deviated from peaceful program .

Never trust Zionists and white fascists. They will never honor their agreements as shown by Eurodiff and how Germany refused to finish Bushehr despite being fully paid for it. They are scumbags. Iran should have its own technology or west will always blackmail it to submit to its evil desires. Only a scientifically capable nation can be truly free. Iran should not give up science just to make some racist nations happy.

 

[longbrained]

Can you explain more which part of NPT Iran didn't commit?I don't really understand all your animosity toward Iran.

He is talking about article 10 of NPT:

" Article 10 allows a state to leave the treaty if "extraordinary events, related to the subject matter of this Treaty, have jeopardized the supreme interests of its country", giving three months' (ninety days') notice. The state is required to give reasons for leaving the NPT in this notice.
NATO states argue that when there is a state of "general war" the treaty no longer applies, effectively allowing the states involved to leave the treaty with no notice. This is a necessary argument to support the NATO nuclear weapons sharing policy, but a troubling one for the logic of the treaty. NATO's argument is based on the phrase "the consequent need to make every effort to avert the danger of such a war" in the treaty preamble, inserted at the behest of U.S. diplomats, arguing that the treaty would at that point have failed to fulfill its function of prohibiting a general war and thus no longer be binding.[23] Many states do not accept this argument. See United States-NATO nuclear weapons sharing above."

 

[Hack-Hook]

Iran bought from China in 1991 enough UF6 material for its uranium enrichment programme for developing a nuclear bomb. Yet, Iran did not report that to IAEA. Iran built an enrichment facility in Natanz a nuclear reactor in Arak and did no report on them. This is not a violation? Why do you think they did not report this nuclear activity? Because they want to produce electricity? That is worth international condemnation and sanctions? Oh, please.

Regarding the actions against Iran, I just answered to a direct question what will definitely persuade Iran to halt its nuclear weapons programme

here you are again wrong Iran and china have a program that made them
jointly produce UF6 and China announced it to IAEA at the same time but
before the programs starts china withdraw from it and instead sold Iran
blueprint for the factory no nuclear material so in fact Iran has no obligation
to tell IAEA about it until 6 month before introducing any nuclear material into
the factory .
more importantly UF6 is not any sort of military related material it's a necessary
step in enriching Uranium which is needed for peaceful nuclear activity .
in fact UF6 only can be used in enrichment not nuclear bomb neither fuel rods .

 

[longbrained]

Besides NPT was signed by Shah's regime and Iran can claim that he was not a legitimate ruler when he did it, thereby making the whole NPT treaty void.

The other possibility to leave NPT is as I said above is using article 10 of NPT which allows nations to leave the treaty as they wish. The other way to make NPT invalid is to use non-nuclear NATO members definition for leaving NPT which says if a general state of war is imposed on them, then NPT automatically becomes invalid. Iran as per NATO definition is indeed in a general state of war as we speak so as per NATO's definition, NPT is already void for Iran.

When Iran finally pulls out of NPT, all sanctions also lose their legitimacy since the whole argument is that Iran is not abiding by NPT but when Iran is not a member the sanctions automatically become void. Besides, NPT has never benefited Iran. NPT was made so that all member states have access to technology and materials they want. Iran is not getting either. So Iran should get out of NPT and become like Israel a non-member. That is a better path.