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[Baba_Yaga]

Okay why long winded rant? You need to promote your own innovative industries. Criticising others is not merited.

Modi made right choice, what does that mean? 2016 note ban, rushed GST implementation or lockdown without any planning. Maybe your referring to clouds blocking radar.

2016 ban was bad, yes no excuses.

GST implementation went mostly well except for a few flaws. Initial shock to the economy was always expected, but not to this extent. In any case, it's advantages will become visible in the years to come. The objective was to get GST passed as soon as possible since governments with absolute majority like the current one are very hard to come by in India. If another government had come to power or BJP won by a lesser margin, GST would be potentially delayed for maybe another decade or 2, so we don't blame him for getting is passed as soon as possible while he had the opportunity, even if there were flaws to it. Flaws can easily be corrected and changes easily made regardless of which government is in power, so thats not a problem, getting the bill through the lower and upper house on the other hand is a big big issue and Modi did it while he had the chance.

There has been enough debates and rants on the lockdown issue, you are looking at it from an ex post perspective. Now that it failed, he made a mistake and all that. It's like looking at a person who climbed on a plane that subsequently crashed, while you reached the airport late and missed the flight and then blaming the person for boarding the plane and pretending that you somehow knew it would happen. When the lockdown was done, there were a few hundred cases in India and eliminating it was considered a feasible option, so again I don't blame him. Pakistani government didn't do anything at all other than calling the act of doing nothing at all a "smart lockdown" and the sheeple till date believe there was anything smart about it. We tried and we failed, you didn't try at all, that's the only difference. Modi type lockdown didn't work in India but who knows, it might have potentially worked in Pakistan. Pakistan had a handful of cases initially and is a bit cleaner and less densely populated than India and with a far lower impact of monsoons(which spread the disease), so instead of potentially 0 cases, you have hundreds of thousands. Since you didn't try, you will never know what could have happened.

 

[Sineva]

India would never trade Iran for America and, Iran would not like to have India when it can have China

The first part of your statement is no doubt true,however the second part is far from the truth I`m afraid.
The iri true to its policy of political non-alignment has always sought to have equally good relations with BOTH india and china[much to the consternation of some in pakistan strangely],sadly however that has become increasingly difficult in the wake of indias decision to abandon decades of political non alignment and instead opt to become an american vassal state and to support the destructive western policies that are detrimental both to iran and the wider mena region as a whole.Ironically these same policies of economic warfare and blackmail also hurt india by making what was once a very vibrant level of trade between india and iran virtually all but impossible.
Sadly india just like the euros chose american vassalage over their own political and economic sovereignty and independence.
Ultimately it was the indians themselves who effectively ended up making the choice for iran when it came to indian vs chinese relations with iran.

 

[gangsta_rap]

superpower 500 B.C.E

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

The first part of your statement is no doubt true,however the second part is far from the truth I`m afraid.
The iri true to its policy of political non-alignment has always sought to have equally good relations with BOTH india and china[much to the consternation of some in pakistan strangely],sadly however that has become increasingly difficult in the wake of indias decision to abandon decades of political non alignment and instead opt to become an american vassal state and to support the destructive western policies that are detrimental both to iran and the wider mena region as a whole.Ironically these same policies of economic warfare and blackmail also hurt india by making what was once a very vibrant level of trade between india and iran virtually all but impossible.
Sadly india just like the euros chose american vassalage over their own political and economic sovereignty and independence.
Ultimately it was the indians themselves who effectively ended up making the choice for iran when it came to indian vs chinese relations with iran.

I notice Kashmir and Indian Muslims do not figure into your analysis. Are Muslim lives cheap?

 

[Novice09]

Your views are outdated but it's not surprising since Indians get 100% of their ideas about China from the American media.

China was not a major innovator in the last few centuries because it was agrarian or in chaos. Things have changed, especially in the last 5 years. Today, China is quickly becoming a rival or surpassing the US in many technological fields. This is why the Trump administration has been leading an all out tech, political and economic war against China. If China was still only making cheap toys and t shirts, they would not give a shit.

Most of the other European countries were great innovators in the past but are no longer today. Same with Japan. Their capabilities have significantly dropped off. Although China is fast becoming a major rival in innovation to the US, the US still retains the No. 1 spot for now. However, much of that is fueled by being the destination of human talent from Asia. Most of the skilled labor in Silicon Valley comes from foreign countries. This is a fact. However, it is not guaranteed that this will be enough even to keep the US at No. 1 if the country doesn't consistently invest in the future. Nothing is guaranteed but China is investing hundreds of billions in tomorrow's infrastructure and human development. It has made tremendous progress in just the last 5 years. I suggest you look up more sources other than what is readily available in the American media, you might be shocked. You'd probably understand why the Trump administration is so maniacally desperate at cutting down China.

I think you get your 100% ideas from CHINESE media... few simple questions:

1. Why would a country with 2 stealth jets buys a 4+ gen jet from Russia?

2. Why a country stealing technology and innovation data from other countries.?

3. Why China is moving back in Laddakh, even an inch, if they are ready for war? Why talks for disengagement?

My dear friend,
In this world (country wise) there are no friends... each and every nation looks at MUTUAL BENEFITS and each ruling class keep their benefits paramount... these agreements and deals are signed after factoring all pros and cons...

Examples:

1. No Muslim country vocal for Uighurs...
2. All... EU, US, China, etc... selling WEAPONS to BOTH parties which have conflicts...
3. Muslim nations having various pacts with Israel... even though people don't like JEWS...
4. Good and bad terrorists...
5. Those who cry for HUMAN RIGHTS are safe heaven for ECONOMIC TERRORISTS...

Each and every nation work for their own interest... and always keep the benefits of ruling class on top...

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

China bags Iran’s friendship with a loan⁠ — costs India the crucial Chabahar port project
PRABHJOTE GILL
JUL 14, 2020, 20:00 IST

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  • Iran drops India from the Chabahar rail project citing funding delays.
  • The development comes on the backdrop of Iran inking a $400 billion strategic partnership with China.
  • The China-Iran deal may give China more access to the Indian Ocean region.

Iran has dropped India from the Chabahar rail project. The rail line from Chabahar port to Zahedan was going to be India’s magnum opus as the bridge between India, Iran, Afghanistan and Central Asia.

Tehran’s decision has come within days of China finalising a huge $400 billion strategic partnership deal with Iran that will span over 25 years, which could shift the balance of power in the Indian Ocean in China’s favour.

Tehran’s excuse
The Iranian government cited funding delays from the Indian side for the $8 billion project that will run a rail line from the Chabahar port to Zahedan, which lies along the border of Afghanistan. This is a huge blow for India, which saw the port as a counterbalance to the Gwadar in Pakistan, which was built and run by China as a part of its China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC).

“For India, an extensive economic and security pact between Iran and China raises some critical concerns,” writes the Observer Research Foundation’s (ORF) Kabir Taneja. The distance between Pakistan’s Gwadar port and Iran’s Chabahar ports are often referred to as ‘sister ports’ with only a distance of 172 kilometres between them.

Officials told The Hindu that the project will now be completed by March 2022 without India’s assistance, using $400 million from the Iranian National Development Fund.

India may have dragged its feet on the project due to the fear of US sanctions
The Chabahar trilateral agreement — between Iran, Afghanistan and India — was meant to serve as an alternative trade route to Afghanistan and Central Asia.

Last week, Iranian Transport and Urban Development Minister Mohammad Eslami inaugurated the track-laying process for the Chabahar-Zahedan line, the first phase which will be extending to Zaranj across the border in Afghanistan.

Meanwhile, Iran has been facing the US’ ‘maximum pressure’ policy in the form of crippling sanctions and military options being laid on the table. So despite several site visits by Indian Railways Construction (IRCON) engineers, India never began work on the site for the fear of attracting US sanctions on New Delhi.

During the Manmohan Singh and Barack Obama era, India had already ‘zeroed out’ its oil imports from Iran leaving little else to negotiate with.

The Iran-China deal and the Indian Ocean
For Iran, the finalisation of the strategic partnership with China is a much-needed lifeline. The $400 billion will go a long way as investments in Iran’s oil and gas, infrastructure and transportation sectors.

After a near-war situation in Ladakh, where India and China share a border, the China-Iran deal will give China more access to the Indian Ocean region. It will be connected via Gwadar, Djibouti “and possible permanent military accesses arrangement with Iran,” said Taneja.

https://www.businessinsider.in/poli...ed-workers-from-asia/articleshow/76545878.cms

Pakistan was having a very difficult time with current Iranian government's negative policies. The situation was getting more tense year by year.

Thank you Chinese friends for helping us secure our Western border. I hope Iran will see some sense into dropping the hatchet against Pakistan now.

Chabahar was not a port.. it was Indian intelligence operational base.
I have stated this repeatedly, that there's ZERO construction on ground.

BINGO

This is strange, why not a rail line from Pakistan Gawadar to Kandahar to kabul, mazar sharif into central asia, or from gawadar to kandahar to herat into central asia...
how is this going to impact Gawadar,


you are missing out Pakistan region with 5000 BC worth of civilization of indus valley with major cities like harrappa, moen jo daro and Taxila...

Afghanistan is not stable yet. Plus the job of rebuilding Afghanistan will most likely fall to Pakistan. Under Taliban government, Pakistan will be the major power in Afghanistan.

Thabk tou for mentioning about IVC, one of the oldest civilizations of the world. Contemporary of Babylon and Ancient China.

Through, probably because most history books associate the Indus civ. with India, although it is in Pakistan.

It is being fixed now. IK is doing great work.

Yes finally, around 200 miles separate Chabahar and Gawadar. Is this China hedging it’s bets on Pakistan?
Or, is there sufficient trade volumes to justify two ports in close proximity?
China had ambitious plans for Chabahar in the last decade, these plans included a large refinery and mega infrastructure projects. But these plans were shelved due to US pressure, I assume that is no longer a factor.

As an investor Chabahar is more appealing due to Iran’s oil & gas industry. Good for Iran,Afghanistan and China.

Pakistan is the biggest winner here, along with China.

It seems you are allergic to saying anything good about Pakistan.

Going forward, nothing happens on Afghanistan's borders without Pakistani approval either. Iran is somewhat dependent on Pakistan now.

Maybe peaceful relations can finally return.

 

[Foxtrot Delta]

That's what you get after poking the dragon.

 

[Han Patriot]

Indus river, here I come

Indus River here I come too... Lol

 

[Tumba]

Indus River here I come too... Lol

Haha pakistanis has incoming lol

on the topic iran’s friendship lol nobody in India thinks iran can be trusted leave alone being a friend haha..

 

[Han Patriot]

Haha pakistanis has incoming lol

on the topic iran’s friendship lol nobody in India thinks iran can be trusted leave alone being a friend haha..

Chabahar is as good as dead. No new investments are being made, even the port machinery is from ZPMC. Without the railway, the port is practically useless. Btw, India only invested in 2 berths, its not controlled by India, its controlled by the Iranians. But a strategic agreement might mean Iran and Pakistan will join the Sino Russian axis.

There goes the 500mil$ investment India made. All downthe drain. Lol. Iran is even asking China to take over.

 

[Tumba]

Chabahar is as good as dead. No new investments are being made, even the port machinery is from ZPMC. Without the railway, the port is practically useless. Btw, India only invested in 2 berths, its not controlled by India, its controlled by the Iranians. But a strategic agreement might mean Iran and Pakistan will join the Sino Russian axis.

India just wanted a trade route which we can anyway get from Chabahar ... paying monnies no need to invest its good we have few births though more than sufficient for Afganistan supplies savin them from only one option to get thr basic supply only from pakistan

 

[Han Patriot]

India just wanted a trade route which we can anyway get from Chabahar ... paying monnies no need to invest its good we have few births though more than sufficient for Afganistan supplies savin them from only one option to get thr basic supply only from pakistan

If you are just gonna supply a few truckloads of wheat, its cheaper to just pay an Iranian logistics company. The Iranians were playing you for cash just like the Russians.

 

[atan651]

Iran dropped india simply because India is broke and does not have the money to fund the project. Make sense.

 

[Tumba]

If you are just gonna supply a few truckloads of wheat, its cheaper to just pay an Iranian logistics company. The Iranians were playing you for cash just like the Russians.

India had big plans like connecting north south corridor but Russian downfall and further Iranian sanction made it undesirable India can just see importance only in getting some good supply lines for Afganistan as whatever be the history for some strange reason Indians see Afganistan as brothers...

 

[dbc]

Pakistan is the biggest winner here, along with China.

It seems you are allergic to saying anything good about Pakistan.

Going forward, nothing happens on Afghanistan's borders without Pakistani approval either. Iran is somewhat dependent on Pakistan now.

Maybe peaceful relations can finally return.

Typical emotional response that I’ve come to expect of you. You expect two ports separated by a few hundred miles not to compete with each other? Chabahar is easier to access by existing railroad lines from China-completely bypassing a treacherous and expensive journey over the Himalayan mountain range.

According to Kazakhstan Railway, the volume of traffic along the China-Kazakhstan-Turkmenistan-Iran corridor in 2018 was 1,000 TEU. The total length of the route China-Kazakhstan-Turkmenistan-Iran is about 10,000 km. The total travel time is about 14 days. Travel time by sea is 25-30 days.

why do you think China is funding the rail link from Chabahar to the China-Kazakhstan-Turkmenistan-Iran corridor?
In the words of Don Vito Corleone - it’s just business.