Iran, China sign 25-year cooperation agreement

[IblinI]

Can you elaborate on what disrupted the “peaceful rise” phase and made the leadership in China feel they had to change to a different approach.

it was until very recently our foriegn policy became a bit more proactive, the first six-eight years of Xi's term was still very reactive, for eg..in 2012, Jap "nationalised" the Diaoyu island which sparked the outrage in China,results, send in Coast guard ships but still restricted of firing real round, and in South China sea, Phili,Viet had their island reclamation long before we did but can anyone read that from mainstream western medias?obviously no.
Trade war during trump admin, they imposed it on us first..so the trending here is clear, everytime we react, the mainstreams western media/politican would painted us as "wolf warrior","aggressive".

 

[Enigma SIG]

Apparently Iran took a jab at everyone knows who and Pakistani sell out media and anti-state political parties are running a disinfo campaign about IK throwing a spanner in the works of CPEC.

Iran and China sign 25-year cooperation agreement | Reuters

“Iran decides independently on its relations with other countries and is not like some countries that change their position with one phone call.”

 

[Hack-Hook]

J-20 is too sensitive for export. The only plane China will ever to Iran for now is JF-17. On top of that, Iran needs AWACs and aerial tankers. KJ-500 AWACs and HY-6 tankers are ideal choices.

Probably better off going for the J-35 once it’s ready; to acquire parity or air superiority over the nations across the gulf.

By what i knew of iran air force any plane iran want to buy from foreign sources must be capable of replacing F-14 it means it must be able to act as an interceptor.
I bet they are willing of ripping any strike capability of the airplane if it make the plane more deadly in air to air combat and mission.

J-20 is too sensitive for export. The only plane China will ever to Iran for now is JF-17. On top of that, Iran needs AWACs and aerial tankers. KJ-500 AWACs and HY-6 tankers are ideal choices.

Well china offer as i stated never was JF-17 it was J10-b and for awax iran showed one project which was based on IR-140 and the only thing between it and reality was ir-140 engine problem and after that is solved I'm sure the project which was to build a maritime patrol and an AWAX airplane based on that platform resurface again.

 

[Hack-Hook]

By what i knew of iran air force any plane iran want to buy from foreign sources must be capable of replacing F-14 it means it must be able to act as an interceptor.
I bet they are willing of ripping any strike capability of the airplane if it make the plane more deadly in air to air combat and mission.

Well china offer as i stated never was JF-17 it was J10-b

Iran won't go for Su-30. It is outdated. It lacks targeting pod, meaning it is not multi role. Armenia's Su-30 were useless when Azerbaijan invaded Artsakh. Armenia's Su-30 were not able to locate a single TB2 drone which flew low. Thousands of Armenian soldiers died for nothing.

Armenia Su-30 were bought without weapon . and no iran wont go after SU-30 as it will not be an even equal to f-14

F-35 doesn't have the range to strike Kashgar airbase from Taiwan. On the other hand, H-6 bombers at Kashgar airbase can strike Taiwan's airbases. F-35 don't do any good for Taiwan.

And what prevent those hypotetical F35 to hunt down those H-6

 

[925boy]

It would be great if China gave a guarantee to import Iranian oil regardless of US sanctions.

THis is a mandatory component of any strategeic China- Iran deal, PERIOD! Iran is an energy superpower, so ignoring Iran on energy issues is just folly.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

And what prevent those hypotetical F35 to hunt down those H-6

Getting shot down by J-20 over mainland China. Keep in mind H-6 shoots CJ-10 cruise missiles thousands of km from the coast. So F-35 has to fly thousands of km past the coast over dangerous Chinese airspace.

 

[925boy]

You don’t realize how geopolitics works do you?

Nigeria and Myanmar have zero geopolitical relevance on the world stage and are banana countries.

Factually incorrect. watch your mouth.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Armenia Su-30 were bought without weapon

BS. They had weapons.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1375588895304392708

 

[TheImmortal]

Factually incorrect. watch your mouth.

Your opinion isn’t fact.

Military is butchering citizens by the hundreds in Myanmar and the so called Freedom countries (West) barely say anything. Why? Because Myanmar has zero geopolitical implications. Where as Assad had to deal with possible war with the West multiple times because he was geopolitically connected to Iran and axis of resistance and against Israel.

Nigeria...lol I am not even gonna say anything. No one is worried about Nigeria spreading its influence across the globe like Iran, Russia, or China.

These countries are not relevant (regardless of your opinion) on the global stage in the “Great Game Competition” of the 21st century which has pitted Iran, China, Russia, North Korea against Western aligned countries (West, Arabs, Israel, India, and to some extent Pakistan as it has friendly relations with both East and West).

BS. They had weapons.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1375588895304392708

lol your proof is 1 plane with some weapons? You realize for a war effort Armenia would have needed hundreds of PGMs? Just look at how many PGMs Israel used in its brief war with Hezbollah.

It’s quite possible they literally did not a major reserve of weapons and those they had were being kept for emergency (if Azerbaijan moved into Armenian territory and not just breakaway region).

Also even if they did have weapons it quite possible Russia wouldn’t let them use them just like Russia hasnt allowed Assad to use S-300 batteries.

 

[Surenas]

Ex-IDF intel head: Iran-China megadeal includes ‘worrying’ military info-sharing

Amos Yadlin, the former IDF chief of Military Intelligence, expressed concern on Monday about a reported clause in the 25-year strategic cooperation mega-deal signed by Iran and China that includes a commitment to military cooperation, with joint training, research and intelligence sharing.

“One of the most worrying clauses in the agreement between Iran and China is the intelligence sharing,” the head of the Institute for National Security Studies told the Ynet news site.

The full details of the final agreement have not been released, but Yadlin said that with that clause, reported to be in a draft last year, “China is putting itself in a place that, until today, it had not been before.”

“On a fundamental level, China opposes an Iranian nuclear bomb, but on the other hand, it is not helping to stop Iran,” said Yadlin. “Iran, too, needs the political support which China has to stop the United States from pressuring it.”

“The Chinese understand that the Biden administration is not the Trump administration, and they can be much more aggressive,” he added.

The clause is detailed in a former draft of the deal, obtained by the New York Times last year, and calls for joint training and exercises, as well as cooperation on research and weapons development, as well as the sharing of intelligence.

Ex-IDF intel head: Iran-China megadeal includes ‘worrying’ military info-sharing

Amos Yadlin says China believes it can be more aggressive with Biden; full details of agreement not public, but draft reported last year calls for Beijing, Tehran to exchange intel

www.timesofisrael.com

 

[Hack-Hook]

Getting shot down by J-20 over mainland China. Keep in mind H-6 shoots CJ-10 cruise missiles thousands of km from the coast. So F-35 has to fly thousands of km past the coast over dangerous Chinese airspace.

But cj-10 is ground launched not air launched. If you mean cj-10k then the range is 1500km not thousands of km.

 

[Tameem]

you and I both know that wont happen

but can stand humiliation upon humiliation under inept khan and cronies as long as it take.
That is why Asma Jehangir calls these people duffers....rightly so.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

but can stand humiliation upon humiliation under inept khan and cronies as long as it take.
That is why Asma Jehangir calls these people duffers....rightly so.

fouji are anything but duffers.
but leave that aside.
as a Pakistani join me to share the concern for Imran as he is summoned to see the crown prince of KSA.
he is going to face some humiliation of a life time.
he tried to rescue himself bu asking chief Bajwa to go instead but Bajwa said prince is not interested in roughing him up and wants khan.


i will like to see the faces pf both after meeting.

 

[Smarana Mitra]

Great news. I know exactly what most Iranian's with their siege mentality are thinking. When will China dump us? Be that as it may but before you thrash Beijing ask yourself how did the deal with USA go? Where are the Euros? Best of all how did that billion plus superpower called India go? Is it still buying oil from you? Is India built Chah Bahar port?

I think I know the answer to that. The fact is nothing surprises me. USA has immense global power and not many countries can stand or more importantly will not sacrifice themselves for Iran.

But and this is crucial. Of every country on earth the least pliable [caveat: it is still open to US pressure], yes the LEAST pliable is China. Thus it would make sense for Iran to build up strategic concord with a country that is at least USA-proof to a degree. And with every year it is becoming even less pliable to US power.

India never was an Iranian ally. Iran's intervention in Kashmir, its maltreating of Indian diplomats during 2002-3 etc have been weighed heavily against Iran. India deals with Iran on an economic basis. As of now, India gets a huge amount of money from Gulf countries through remittance which covers most of the oil cost. Essentially India gets free oil from GCC. When these countries ask India to not trade with Iran as they want their money to not flow into Iran, India can't refuse.

Similarly, China is no ally of Iran. It is just that it has economic surplus and hostility with USA that it is going on its own path. Moreover, China knows that GCC can't dump China as their relation with USA is deteriorating. Hence China is merely trying to take economic advantage rather than become a true friend.

China cannot really guarantee that besides hoping that Iran is militarily strong enough to thwart an attack.

I mean even if China is allowed to have military bases in Iran, which is unconstitutional as he rightly pointed out, do you seriously think China will get into a war with the United States over Iran and this 25 year old agreement? China has a hard time guaranteeing its own national interests against the US in Taiwan (a Chinese territory). So, a war with the United States over Iran is extremely unlikely in the foreseeable future.

No country will fight for trade treaties. Unless there is strategic relations that go deep like military alliance, natural resource monopoly trade etc. China consumes 13MBPD while its import from Iran is not even 5% of that. A 16 billion per annum of oil (400/25) means just 250 million barrels a year or about 0.66MBpd. There is nothing else that Iran offers. In fact Iran did not treat China well when it was in a position of dominance, showing the real intent of Iran. No country will risk its people's lives when there is no deeper relations

China will make it inexpensive.

PS, when the 6th is just around the corner, when not exporting the 5th for few more bucks?

Also, China is not stingy when it comes to sharing technology. Unlike the US who always accused others of being copycats.

What are you saying? China will just give technology to Tom, Dick & Harry because they have trade relations? WHat exactly is Iran giving China in return?

The J-31 (FC-31) is already been marketed for export at air shows and arms conventions for years, I assume with the approval of the Chinese government. An export grade J-31 is a match for the export grade F-35s being sold to countries in the gulf, and with its stealth a skilled pilot could take out 4th and 5th Gen fighters from across the gulf.

They have 350 fighters in their order of battle. Easily one of the biggest potential export markets and in the field development arenas, and good revenue for Avic, if it can get an average $100 million for each plane including spares, support equipment and weapons; $35 Billion is no small change. With billions of dollars a year in support and weapons contracts for decades to come.

Once they get Chinese fighters, they are more likely to build their entire eco-system with China, Air defense Missiles, C4ISR, tanks, ships, submarines, etc. this is especially true if the Chinese government thinks Iran could be a force to protect the Chinese SLOC in its region.

AVIC official sounds upbeat note about FC-31: report

Development of the AVIC FC-31 fighter is going well, and the aircraft is destined to enter service with the People's Liberation Army (PLA) according to its chief designer.

www.flightglobal.com

If the Chinese don’t sell a top of the line aircraft, able to match or exceed the Gulf Arab air forces, the Russians might.

Iran Could Be A True Military Power If It Got These Fighter Jets

The Iranian Air Force is very outdated.

www.google.com

USA gave F35 only to Israel and that is because Israel is a satellite of USA. Israel's entire existence depends on USA's mercy. But the Arab countries are not satellites of China or Russia to just handover technology

Israel is the only country who is more obsessed with Iran, not GCC.

The gulf countries are more pragmatic in nature, and they will value their interesting above the petty grievance with Iran.

BTW, Iran is a long term strategic partner, not a bargaining chip, since China's leadership is not that shortsighted.

It was GCC which asked USA to sanction Iran and also agreed to raise oil production to make up for the losses from Iran sanctions.

China wouldn’t even turn over ToT for the outdated C-802. You think they are going to turn over ToT for their 5th gen fighter? Laughable.

Chinese - Iranian arms relations have been even worse than Russian-Iranian arms relations.

China doesn’t trust Iran and thinks Iran will end up back in Western sphere of influence. Iran doesn’t trust China because it feels that they are not reliable partners and would rather align themselves to whoever pays the most (Arabs).

China already has two “strategic partners” : North Korea and Pakistan.

And US can always use Taiwan to pressure China on Iran.

Ex. Sell Iran J-31 and we sell Taiwan F-35 and establish a base of operations (just an hypothetical example)

North Korea is a satellite state of China. Pakistan is not. So, China does not consider Pakistan as an ally but merely a strategic partner whereas NK is an ally of China. There is a big difference between these two terms. China has not given technology transfer of JF17 or outdated C802 to Pakistan. China has 1 ally - North korea and 1 defence partner - Russia. None else even come close

 

[Globenim]

these type of agreements have been announced every year for decades and nothing comes of them

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I know the media in China is restricted so here it is

13th July 2020

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/iran-china-trade-military-agreement

every year since 2003 this rubbish has been happening

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I am sure google is not banned in China? do your own searching for past 17 years

News: Iran and China sign the biggest longterm agreement they drafted last year.
Big mouthed claim: Same every year for decades!
"Uninformed Chinese": Care to substantiate your claim?
Big mouthed backtracking: Same every year since 2003!
Big mouthed proof: 2020 report about Iran and China drafting that exact agreement they just signed
"Uninformed Chinese": Thats last year
Big mouth: Well look up the rest yourself!



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