Iran, China sign 25-year cooperation agreement

[FuturePAF]

India never was an Iranian ally. Iran's intervention in Kashmir, its maltreating of Indian diplomats during 2002-3 etc have been weighed heavily against Iran. India deals with Iran on an economic basis. As of now, India gets a huge amount of money from Gulf countries through remittance which covers most of the oil cost. Essentially India gets free oil from GCC. When these countries ask India to not trade with Iran as they want their money to not flow into Iran, India can't refuse.

Similarly, China is no ally of Iran. It is just that it has economic surplus and hostility with USA that it is going on its own path. Moreover, China knows that GCC can't dump China as their relation with USA is deteriorating. Hence China is merely trying to take economic advantage rather than become a true friend.

No country will fight for trade treaties. Unless there is strategic relations that go deep like military alliance, natural resource monopoly trade etc. China consumes 13MBPD while its import from Iran is not even 5% of that. A 16 billion per annum of oil (400/25) means just 250 million barrels a year or about 0.66MBpd. There is nothing else that Iran offers. In fact Iran did not treat China well when it was in a position of dominance, showing the real intent of Iran. No country will risk its people's lives when there is no deeper relations

What are you saying? China will just give technology to Tom, Dick & Harry because they have trade relations? WHat exactly is Iran giving China in return?

USA gave F35 only to Israel and that is because Israel is a satellite of USA. Israel's entire existence depends on USA's mercy. But the Arab countries are not satellites of China or Russia to just handover technology


It was GCC which asked USA to sanction Iran and also agreed to raise oil production to make up for the losses from Iran sanctions.

North Korea is a satellite state of China. Pakistan is not. So, China does not consider Pakistan as an ally but merely a strategic partner whereas NK is an ally of China. There is a big difference between these two terms. China has not given technology transfer of JF17 or outdated C802 to Pakistan. China has 1 ally - North korea and 1 defence partner - Russia. None else even come close

1. Iranians are not Arabs, they are Persians.
2. China does not Willy Nilly hand out technology. If they are planning or even offering any transfers of technology or even sharing information, they have a strategy behind it.
3. For the Chinese to make a strategic partnership with Iran, indicates they have weighed all the benefits and risks and found the arrangement advantageous, especially if they announce it publicly.
4. Finally, the Chinese want to grow their exports, and arms are a product Iran needs and can afford through barter trading its oil and gas. They have publicly marketed the FC-31.
5. Would the Iranians spend so much money on 4th generation fighters, when they could so easily be outclassed when their adversaries acquire F-35s.

So it would be no surprise if the Iranians consider the FC-31 when it becomes a more mature platform. They could very well finance its development akin to how Pakistan financed half of the costs of the JF-17 Program.

 

[Smarana Mitra]

1. Iranians are not Arabs, they are Persians.
2. China does not Willy Nilly hand out technology. If they are planning or even offering any transfers of technology or even sharing information, they have a strategy behind it.
3. For the Chinese to make a strategic partnership with Iran, indicates they have weighed all the benefits and risks and found the arrangement advantageous, especially if they announce it publicly.
4. Finally, the Chinese want to grow their exports, and arms are a product Iran needs and can afford through barter trading its oil and gas. They have publicly marketed the FC-31.
5. Would the Iranians spend so much money on 4th generation fighters, when they could so easily be outclassed when their adversaries acquire F-35s.

So it would be no surprise if the Iranians consider the FC-31 when it becomes a more mature platform. They could very well finance its development akin to how Pakistan financed half of the costs of the JF-17 Program.

Iran wants to buy J31 but the question is why China will sell that sensitive item? Iran is giving oil and China is giving manufactured goods in return. Why should China go overboard and handover high-end technology to Iran? What is China's gain here? Iran is not a long term Chinese ally with shared interests. The only common issue is opposition to USA which is a temporary issue, not something worth having over high end technology for.

 

[mike2000 is back]

At this point, even the J-20 is possible.

Along that, definitely love to see that Iran acquiring the Type 052DL and Type 093B from China.

Don't think it's possible. You have to know that China has good ties and an even stronger commercial/business ties with Saudi Arab and other gulf states. Saudi Arabia is China's largest supplier of oil and has guaranteed China a continuous stable supply of oil for the coming decade. China also has good defence ties with Saudi Arabia ans other gulf countries like UAE with the sale of many strategic weapons to these countries and even joint ventures for local production etc. So it's difficult to see why China will jeopardize all this by overtly backing Iran and getting involved in the messy rivalry/enmity in this region. Both countries will keep having commercial ties and trade though. However I don't see any game changing military/diplomatic deal happening anytime soon.
China will just keep having trade and commercial ties with both sides but no major ground breaking alliance . That will change slot of things and the implications will be too far reaching, something the Chinese don't want to get involved in and it's necessary either so.

 

[OIO]

Iran wants to buy J31 but the question is why China will sell that sensitive item? Iran is giving oil and China is giving manufactured goods in return. Why should China go overboard and handover high-end technology to Iran? What is China's gain here? Iran is not a long term Chinese ally with shared interests. The only common issue is opposition to USA which is a temporary issue, not something worth having over high end technology for.

It is not certain that the United States is a temporary trouble. The stability and prosperity of the countries along the Belt and Road is in China's interests. As for J31, it has not been finalized yet, it is too early to talk about it.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Iran wants to buy J31 but the question is why China will sell that sensitive item? Iran is giving oil and China is giving manufactured goods in return. Why should China go overboard and handover high-end technology to Iran? What is China's gain here? Iran is not a long term Chinese ally with shared interests. The only common issue is opposition to USA which is a temporary issue, not something worth having over high end technology for.

America won't weaken to the point of Brazil until 2050 at the earliest. America is not a temporary thorn in China's hide. It'll be so for decades.

 

[chinasun]

When China does things, kill three birds with one stone. Unexpectedly, we should not only meet the needs of reality, but also lay out for the future. The same is true of the China-Iran agreement. India will not be happy with the deal.

 

[chinasun]

With the signing of the China-Iran agreement, Pakistan will soon capture India's agent in Afghanistan.

 

[Smarana Mitra]

It is not certain that the United States is a temporary trouble. The stability and prosperity of the countries along the Belt and Road is in China's interests. As for J31, it has not been finalized yet, it is too early to talk about it.

USA is nothing without its oil supply. USA's oil supply is dwindling and its reserves depleting fast due to energy independence policy. USA is only a temporary trouble

 

[OIO]

USA is nothing without its oil supply. USA's oil supply is dwindling and its reserves depleting fast due to energy independence policy. USA is only a temporary trouble

It is very possible that the United States is only a short-term trouble, but we still have to make long-term plans for the United States.

 

[aziqbal]

It is very possible that the United States is only a short-term trouble, but we still have to make long-term plans for the United States.

this agreement is fake

its announced every year

 

[925boy]

this agreement is fake

1. It has not been announced yearly, it has probably been REFERENCED yearly.
2. Even if its announced/mentioned yearly, that doesnt make it fake- the fact that China and Iran's foreign ministers signed it in Iran means they signed something binding.
3. STOP TROLLING!

 

[aziqbal]

1. It has not been announced yearly, it has probably been REFERENCED yearly.
2. Even if its announced/mentioned yearly, that doesnt make it fake- the fact that China and Iran's foreign ministers signed it in Iran means they signed something binding.
3. STOP TROLLING!

no I have posted link that it was also announced few years ago

this is basically propaganda that suites with Iran and China, another words fake news