Iran, China sign 25-year cooperation agreement

[Bouncer]

Iran needs to be empowered into a P5 level regional power in order to be an effective ally.

That would mean scarifying a lot of petrodollars currently flowing in from GCC.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

COrrect, and China never deploys billions of $$ in foreign country without some troop deployment also in those countries. That is not a big deal to accept considering :1 ) Chinese arent likely to betray or attack Iranian govt and 2) Iran needs it for national economic resurscitation...if Iran doesnt take this deal the future for Iranian citizens will remain bleak for a longer time.

Military bases: Never

Economically/Militarily empowered Iran: Yes

We want to treat Iran equally as our partner, unlikely the US treating their allies as vassal states.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

That would mean scarifying a lot of petrodollars currently flowing in from GCC.

This will push the GCC nations not putting all their eggs in one basket.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Yeah. I'm not saying that China cannot do that. I'm saying that it isn't willing to do that. Even back in 2000, China could take on the US over Taiwan. But then you would've lost billions of dollars and maybe hundreds of thousands of soldiers. I mean China has 1.3 billion people. There's no doubt that you could get engaged in a very costly asymmetric war with the United States and defeat a nation of barely 25 million people.
Nevertheless, China doesn't seem willing to engage the United States in a war for good reasons and there's a good chance that this won't change in the near future. Maybe it will change 10 years later when China is more powerful and influential economically and the US has lost more of its influence over the international economy, but not yet.

Back in 2000, China was much weaker than today, so we didn't have the power to confront the US unlike today.

The coming years, there will be no room for cooperation between the US and China, and the US will try to pull all possible dirty tricks to stop China.

Trump tried to do that alone, but failed miserably, and Biden will try to convince his allies, and instead of USA vs China, he will make it the entire western world vs China, possibly trying to lure Russia or Iran out of China's orbit.

China always supports a world with true multilateralism, so we will treat our partner equally.

There will never be any military base in Iran, but instead China will help to boost Iran's might in both economy and military.

 

[Bouncer]

This will push the GCC nations not putting all their eggs in one basket.

GCC have one egg and that egg is protected by American support. There are no more eggs to put in anyother basket.

But my point was towards China. Seems like China will use Iran just to antagonize the Americans and use it as a bargaining chip. Otherwise why would China piss off the entire GCC and risk loosing their petrodollars? And propping Iran up to P5 levels to make it a "useful ally" is just beyond any logic, no offence.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

GCC have one egg and that egg is protected by American support. There are no more eggs to put in anyother basket.

But my point was towards China. Seems like China will use Iran just to antagonize the Americans and use it as a bargaining chip. Otherwise why would China piss off the entire GCC and risk loosing their petrodollars? And propping Iran up to P5 levels to make it a "useful ally" is just beyond any logic, no offence.

Israel is the only country who is more obsessed with Iran, not GCC.

The gulf countries are more pragmatic in nature, and they will value their interesting above the petty grievance with Iran.

BTW, Iran is a long term strategic partner, not a bargaining chip, since China's leadership is not that shortsighted.

 

[bshifter]

Back in 2000, China was much weaker than today, so we didn't have the power to confront the US unlike today.

The coming years, there will be no room for cooperation between the US and China, and the US will try to pull all possible dirty tricks to stop China.

Trump tried to do that alone, but failed miserably, and Biden will try to convince his allies, and instead of USA vs China, he will make it the entire western world vs China, possibly trying to lure Russia or Iran out of China's orbit.

China always supports a world with true multilateralism, so we will treat our partner equally.

There will never be any military base in Iran, but instead China will help to boost Iran's might in both economy and military.

Here is where you are wrong on luring Russia/Iran away. Trump tried to improve ties with Russia (a reverse Kissinger's plan of the honeymoon period between China and US) but his strategy faced a huge obstruction from the Russian collusion allegation. Bidden is just like the Obama administration targeting Russia. Things are heating up in the Donbass, US is pressuring Zelensky to invade, if they are foolish enough to do it Russia this time will march towards Kiev.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Here is where you are wrong on luring Russia/Iran away. Trump tried to improve ties with Russia (a reverse Kissinger's plan of the honeymoon period between China and US) but his strategy faced a huge obstruction from the Russian collusion allegation. Bidden is just like the Obama administration targeting Russia. Things are heating up in the Donbass, US is pressuring Zelensky to invade, if they are foolish enough to do it Russia this time will march towards Kiev.

Trump's CAATSA sanction against Russia also didn't help. Russia never trusted America after Cold War anyway.

 

[bshifter]

Trump's CAATSA sanction against Russia also didn't help. Russia never trusted America after Cold War anyway.

Nope, Russia did trust the US during the Gorbachev, Yeltsin era. It was the US who keeps breaking promise/treaties and Putin knows the real face of America. The Sino Russia alliance has only grown stronger, the huge military exercise between China,Russia,Mongolia was already a clear signal to the West. Better pay attention to Donbass, deep state is forcing Ukraine to attack it.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Better pay attention to Donbass, deep state is forcing Ukraine to attack it.

Ukrainians are cowards. They will not fight.

 

[TheImmortal]

Once they get Chinese fighters, they are more likely to build their entire eco-system with China, Air defense Missiles, C4ISR, tanks, ships, submarines, etc. this is especially true if the Chinese government thinks Iran could be a force to protect the Chinese SLOC in its region.

AVIC official sounds upbeat note about FC-31: report

Development of the AVIC FC-31 fighter is going well, and the aircraft is destined to enter service with the People's Liberation Army (PLA) according to its chief designer.

www.flightglobal.com

If the Chinese don’t sell a top of the line aircraft, able to match or exceed the Gulf Arab air forces, the Russians might.

Iran Could Be A True Military Power If It Got These Fighter Jets

The Iranian Air Force is very outdated.

www.google.com

If Iran were to purchase J-31 (a big if), they wouldn’t rely on Chinese armaments for too long and quickly move to equip it with its own domestic missiles and radar.

Only a fool would rely on China or US or Russia to supply your country with weapons for a fighter jet during conflict. Iran learned this the hard way.

 

[Valiant]

When you can't provide the evidence to back up your wild claim, you are a troll.

I can't comprehend how this guy is supposedly "Think Tank". Utter disgrace

 

[aryobarzan]

If China decides to go for forced unification of Taiwan, they need reliable and independent oil from iran...US In any conflict will order the shutdown of the arab oil to China.

Might try to blockade iranian oil to China also..it will be beneficial for China to have a strong iran to guarantee a no blockade situation.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

If China decides to go for forced unification of Taiwan, they need reliable and independent oil from iran...US In any conflict will order the shutdown of the arab oil to China.

Might try to blockade iranian oil to China also..it will be beneficial for China to have a strong iran to guarantee a no blockade situation.

Taiwan war doesn't last very long. A few weeks tops. China has plenty of strategic reserve for that.

 

[bshifter]

Ukrainians are cowards. They will not fight.

Your view is simplistic, https://tass.com/politics/1262639 , Russia is deeply concerned as it should be.