Iran, China sign 25-year cooperation agreement

[flowerfan2020]

Iranians have a law that prohibits other countries of having bases on Iranian territory, that is why several years ago when Russia stantioned some of it's stratigic bombers in Iran so that they can carry their maximum bomb load when they take off to Syria some Iranian politicians said that was unconstitutional and so the Russians were not allowed to stay even though having nuclear capable strategic bombers would have greatly enhanced Iranian security.
Furthermore a Chinese military base in Iran may be interpreted by gulf states as a Chinese commitment to Iran against the KSA so the chances of a base in Iran are zero.

If that is the true then I wonder how China guarantee the safety to enforce these 25 year contract? I'm mean China is assuming Iran can hold his own if Israel and U.S raise a war to Iran?

 

[Arian]

If that is the true then I wonder how China guarantee the safety to enforce these 25 year contract?

China cannot really guarantee that besides hoping that Iran is militarily strong enough to thwart an attack.

I mean even if China is allowed to have military bases in Iran, which is unconstitutional as he rightly pointed out, do you seriously think China will get into a war with the United States over Iran and this 25 year old agreement? China has a hard time guaranteeing its own national interests against the US in Taiwan (a Chinese territory). So, a war with the United States over Iran is extremely unlikely in the foreseeable future.

 

[flowerfan2020]

China cannot really guarantee that besides hoping that Iran is militarily strong enough to thwart an attack.

I mean even if China is allowed to have military bases in Iran, which is unconstitutional as he rightly pointed out, do you seriously think China will get into a war with the United States over Iran and this 25 year old agreement? China has a hard time guaranteeing its own national interests against the US in Taiwan (a Chinese territory). So, a war with the United States over Iran is extremely unlikely in the foreseeable future.

Well if you are talking few years ago, then yes. China was not ready to take on U.S over Taiwan but after 2020, world power have been shift. I'm sure China is very confidence on taking back Taiwan in next few years but in what kind of price China has to paid, is another big question.

 

[Arian]

Well if you are talking few years ago, then yes. China was not ready to take on U.S over Taiwan but after 2020, world power have been shift. I'm sure China is very confidence on taking back Taiwan in next few years but in what kind of price China has to paid, is another big question.

Yeah. I'm not saying that China cannot do that. I'm saying that it isn't willing to do that. Even back in 2000, China could take on the US over Taiwan. But then you would've lost billions of dollars and maybe hundreds of thousands of soldiers. I mean China has 1.3 billion people. There's no doubt that you could get engaged in a very costly asymmetric war with the United States and defeat a nation of barely 25 million people.
Nevertheless, China doesn't seem willing to engage the United States in a war for good reasons and there's a good chance that this won't change in the near future. Maybe it will change 10 years later when China is more powerful and influential economically and the US has lost more of its influence over the international economy, but not yet.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Chinese Foreign Ministry Commenting on "Bhutan" Establishment's, flops whiling and dhealings...!!
Its a shame for all Bhutan's Establishment lovers....... specially its previous COAS and his followers.

This is China taunting his best friend....what a pity!!
our relations comes to this point in this hybrid regime.

You can thrown out Democratic Govts on your whims but.
You Cannot Run Govts.

As soon as this simple math understood by our Du##ers, this country can finally move forwards.

you and I both know that wont happen

 

[Respect4Respect01]

Chinese Foreign Ministry Commenting on "Bhutan" Establishment's, flops whiling and dhealings...!!
Its a shame for all Bhutan's Establishment lovers....... specially its previous COAS and his followers.

This is China taunting his best friend....what a pity!!
our relations comes to this point in this hybrid regime.

You can thrown out Democratic Govts on your whims but.
You Cannot Run Govts.

As soon as this simple math understood by our Du##ers, this country can finally move forwards.

lets make nawaz sharif prime minister of Bhutan then?

 

[flowerfan2020]

Yeah. I'm not saying that China cannot do that. I'm saying that it isn't willing to do that. Even back in 2000, China could take on the US over Taiwan. But then you would've lost billions of dollars and maybe hundreds of thousands of soldiers. I mean China has 1.3 billion people. There's no doubt that you could get engaged in a very costly asymmetric war with the United States and defeat a nation of barely 25 million people.
Nevertheless, China doesn't seem willing to engage the United States in a war for good reasons and there's a good chance that this won't change in the near future. Maybe it will change 10 years later when China is more powerful and influential economically and the US has lost more of its influence over the international economy, but not yet.

True, China have far more vision to his future. China want to have good relationship with U.S and Europe to improve economy but things changed since Donald Trump's presidency.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Iran and Pakistan are both close allies of China. JF-17 for both to ensure commonality and reduce logistics. Iran cannot rely on Russia because Russia is too cahoots with Israel.

At this point, even the J-20 is possible.

Along that, definitely love to see that Iran acquiring the Type 052DL and Type 093B from China.

 

[FuturePAF]

and again that nonsense about jf-17
for starter iran never ever considered that airplane . we evaluated J10-b which is alot more suitable for Iran than JF-17 several years ago and we decided we don't want it

Probably better off going for the J-35 once it’s ready; to acquire parity or air superiority over the nations across the gulf.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Probably better off going for the J-35 once it’s ready; to acquire parity or air superiority over the nations across the gulf.

China is ready for the 6th gen, so the 5th gen like the J-20 will soon be available for export.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

At this point, even the J-20 is possible.

Along that, definitely love to see that Iran acquiring the Type 052DL and Type 093B from China.

J-20 is too sensitive for export. The only plane China will ever to Iran for now is JF-17. On top of that, Iran needs AWACs and aerial tankers. KJ-500 AWACs and HY-6 tankers are ideal choices.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

J-20 is too sensitive for export. The only plane China will ever to Iran for now is JF-17. On top of that, Iran needs AWACs and aerial tankers. KJ-500 AWACs and HY-6 tankers are ideal choices.

China will make it inexpensive.

PS, when the 6th is just around the corner, when not exporting the 5th for few more bucks?

Also, China is not stingy when it comes to share the technology. Unlike the US who always accused others of being copycats.

 

[FuturePAF]

J-20 is too sensitive for export. The only plane China will ever to Iran for now is JF-17. On top of that, Iran needs AWACs and aerial tankers. KJ-500 AWACs and HY-6 tankers are ideal choices.

The J-31 (FC-31) is already been marketed for export at air shows and arms conventions for years, I assume with the approval of the Chinese government. An export grade J-31 is a match for the export grade F-35s being sold to countries in the gulf, and with its stealth a skilled pilot could take out 4th and 5th Gen fighters from across the gulf.

They have 350 fighters in their order of battle. Easily one of the biggest potential export markets and in the field development arenas, and good revenue for Avic, if it can get an average $100 million for each plane including spares, support equipment and weapons; $35 Billion is no small change. With billions of dollars a year in support and weapons contracts for decades to come.

Once they get Chinese fighters, they are more likely to build their entire eco-system with China, Air defense Missiles, C4ISR, tanks, ships, submarines, etc. this is especially true if the Chinese government thinks Iran could be a force to protect the Chinese SLOC in its region.

AVIC official sounds upbeat note about FC-31: report

Development of the AVIC FC-31 fighter is going well, and the aircraft is destined to enter service with the People's Liberation Army (PLA) according to its chief designer.

www.flightglobal.com

If the Chinese don’t sell a top of the line aircraft, able to match or exceed the Gulf Arab air forces, the Russians might.

Iran Could Be A True Military Power If It Got These Fighter Jets

The Iranian Air Force is very outdated.

www.google.com

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

China never seeks the hegemony in the Middle East like the US did.

However, we need a strong ally with deep ties to secure our investments.

Iran needs to be empowered into a P5 level regional power in order to be an effective ally.

 

[925boy]

Foreign countries can use Iranian bases. They can can't have their own bases in Iran.

COrrect, and China never deploys billions of $$ in foreign country without some troop deployment also in those countries. That is not a big deal to accept considering :1 ) Chinese arent likely to betray or attack Iranian govt and 2) Iran needs it for national economic resurscitation...if Iran doesnt take this deal the future for Iranian citizens will remain bleak for a longer time.