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Iran blames US, UK, Pakistan

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UAV can be easily shot down . And if they think that they enjoy simmilar privildges as US drones do . Then they might have to reconsider .
No way Iranians could deploy UAVs against Pakistan.
 
the ground realities are such that border with Iran is an international drugs/kidnapping/human trafficking/mafia/militant route.

our Intelligence Agencies arrested Uzbek and Turkomen terrorists hiding in S. Waziristan, who had come in illegally from Iran. And Iran has often arrested drug smugglers coming in from our side.

Best thing to do is just to be prepared militarily -- to counter these elements. We shouldnt talk of conflict between Iran and Pakistan. Use your brains. Who will benefit from that?

We have enough enemies. Iran isn't one of them --even though some of our geo strategic interests are different.

As for Jundollah, it is purely an Iranian organization (both sectarian & ethnic nationalist in nature). It is our mutual interests to end such groups. And Iran should do more to ensure that it's territory isnt used to create disturbance in Pakistan, especially Baluchistan.


most importantly, RIP to the fallen soldiers.
 
For the same reason that Indian RAW is setting up blasts in Pakistan.

You cant compare India-Pakistan relations to Iran-Pakistan relations.

Iran was the first country in the world to recognize Pakistan in 1947, we share historical ties with Iran. Most of present day Pakistan was once part of the Achaeminid Persian Empire, Sassanid Empire, and Ghaznavid Empire.

We had no conflicts with Iran, no border disputes..we were living side by side with Iran perfectly. Its only in the 90's tensions grew, but recently relations with Iran were going great. Before the 1979 "Islamic" revolution of Iran, Pakistan and Iran were just as friendly neighbors as Pakistan and China are now.
 
just for info: two months back FC had arrested several arabs in mohmand agency trying to go to swat. they were hidden in burqas. most of them had come to pakistan via iran according to their passports.

Plaese can you provide a link that validates you statement.?
 
Iran blames US UK ISRAEL UAE SAUDI and now Pakistan has joined the list. Iran has a lot of enemies and it needs to get sober and start making some friends.

Only angels live in Iran. The whole world community are terrorist. Mullah regime ignore the fact that they slaughtered hundreds of thousands of fellow Iranians.

Cheap tactics of Iranian regime to prolonge there hold on power.
They are very similar to Jamat e Islami that use the same tactics and blame the whole world. Religious thugs. :cheers:
 
I am totally confused ..........

1) From this forum, it was my understanding that India was backing the BLA to destabilize Pakistan (Though I have not seen any proof). All the Consulates were set up for the express purpose of funneling money to them.

2) Now I here the Jundallah and BLA are the same. They have also taken credit for the attack.

3) Why is Iran blaming Pakistan for the attacks? Why does Iran not blame India for the attacks and demand the consulates be closed down?

Is the Iranian Govt so ignorant or was I almost buying into the hoopla?
 
Iran blames US UK ISRAEL UAE SAUDI and now Pakistan has joined the list. Iran has a lot of enemies and it needs to get sober and start making some friends.

Easy if you follow thier logic after all Iran is at least partial sponsor of five terrorist groups they probably just cant understand that while they are perfectly happy to fund suicide bombers in other peoples countries other people dont do the same to them.

Its also far easier to say that they fell victim to a mighty unstopable, US UK Pakistan UAE Saudi Russian conspiracy than to explain that a half-baked terrorist got lucky because their security forces were more interested in arresting political opponents than hunting down extremists.
 
Iran blames US UK ISRAEL UAE SAUDI and now Pakistan has joined the list.
Iran's official position is pretty much identical to Zahid Hamid's ...

At least Pakistanis can say that its just an overly verbose commentator trafficking in sensationalism - what's Iran's excuse?
 
I am totally confused ..........

2) Now I here the Jundallah and BLA are the same. They have also taken credit for the attack.

Is the Iranian Govt so ignorant or was I almost buying into the hoopla?

Read: Violence and Rebellion in Iranian Balochistan, Publication: Terrorism Monitor Volume: 4 Issue: 13. Author: Chris Zambelis (Available Online at: http://www.jamestown.org)

It is unclear whether a group operating under the name Jundallah in Pakistani Balochistan is affiliated with its Iranian counterpart, although Tehran and Islamabad claim that Baloch militants on both sides of the border cooperate in the area of arms and narcotics trafficking and financing (The News International, January 8; Asia Times, June 8).


In other words: An Ends to a Means!
 
I am totally confused ..........

1) From this forum, it was my understanding that India was backing the BLA to destabilize Pakistan (Though I have not seen any proof). All the Consulates were set up for the express purpose of funneling money to them.

2) Now I here the Jundallah and BLA are the same. They have also taken credit for the attack.

3) Why is Iran blaming Pakistan for the attacks? Why does Iran not blame India for the attacks and demand the consulates be closed down?

Is the Iranian Govt so ignorant or was I almost buying into the hoopla?
The Iranian regime is an extremist regime (I differentiate between normal Iranians and the non-extremist Shia school of thought), it is both sectarian and xenophobic (its animosity with the Arabs).

Pakistan has long been an ally of the Arabs, especially Saudi Arabia, hence, the deflection onto Pakistan.

I think the Iranian regimes enemies list is like this:

1. Zionists
2. Great Satan
3. Mini Great Satan (UK)
4. Mid East Sunni Arabs
5. Mid East Sunni Arab allies

P.S: 2,3 and 4 can be interchanged.

Interesting excerpt from an editorial in the Daily Times that tries to explain the compulsions behind the Iranian blame game:
Iran has a complex code of interpretation when it comes to explaining to its people certain developments on its eastern border. At the higher level of statesmanship, it is engaged with Pakistan on what can be called the biggest energy project of South Asia, called the Iran-Pakistan Gas Pipeline project. At the domestic political level, it looks at Pakistan as a state that favours the Taliban — at the top of the list of enemies in Tehran — and aligns with Iran’s arch-enemy, the United States. This in itself gives rise to a complex imagined network of intrigue and double-dealing.

Hanging from this is the accusation that the US is funding Jundallah to create trouble in Sistan to “balance” the trouble Iran is supposedly making in Iraq. Many Pakistanis buy into this. But at the same time, Iran becomes unhappy when the US and Pakistan start thinking of “talking” to their separate Talibans. It cannot help thinking that both will somehow bring the Taliban back to power in Kabul and thus endanger the non-Pashtun population of Afghanistan as well as endanger Iran’s security on its eastern border.

There is a clear break here between what the world thinks and what Iran thinks. The world thinks that the US unwittingly strengthened Iran’s regional position by destroying two regimes: Saddam Hussein’s in the west and the Taliban’s in the east. But Tehran continues to think that the US and its allies are trying to get Iran into a challenging regional pincers movement. Unfortunately, Pakistan can hardly reassure Iran in this regard because of its declining writ of the state in Balochistan and elsewhere.

Within this extremely murky strategic thinking, Iran has acted in its own national interest. It has given shelter to “actors” from Pakistan who promised to create difficulties for the US. It has provided safe haven to runaway warlords from Afghanistan it thought could at least temporarily damage the unity of the Taliban. It is known to have “facilitated” the passage of Al Qaeda terrorists from Pakistan to Iraq in 2003, which then actually led to the massacre of the Shia there.

But in many ways, Iran promises to become as important an ally of Pakistan as China, mainly because of its role as a supplier of energy. At the same time, however, Pakistan has to retain the option of international support, including that of the Arabs — something for which Iran’s current government doesn’t care much. Hence a measure of tolerable bilateral tension. *
Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan
 
Easy if you follow thier logic after all Iran is at least partial sponsor of five terrorist groups they probably just cant understand that while they are perfectly happy to fund suicide bombers in other peoples countries other people dont do the same to them.

Its also far easier to say that they fell victim to a mighty unstopable, US UK Pakistan UAE Saudi Russian conspiracy than to explain that a half-baked terrorist got lucky because their security forces were more interested in arresting political opponents than hunting down extremists.

Or maybe we can say the mullah regime is skitzophrenic and needs to quit smoking.
 
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Webster Tarpley on Russia Today. Watch 3:00 onward

 
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Thank God we have China as a friendly neighbor.

Seriously though, Saudi Arabia is a better friend than Iran.

This whole game with Iran is all about the Indo-Iranian Chabahar Port and how it is a rival to Gwadar Port.

Even though India is a close friend of Israel and sided with Americans when it came to Iran's nuclear program and backed out of IPI, the Shia extremist regime of Iran will always take the side of Hindu majority India over Sunni Muslim majority Pakistan.

Is it just religion everywhere? Which religion does a terrorist follow? Do they see a religion before blowing up?

Does really nations drive their state politics based on religion as most of the members here claims it to be?

Do you really think Iran will just blindly side with India just because Pakistan has the majority of Sunnis? Its hard for me to digest, but then may be thats just me
 
Pakistan tells Iran: Jundallah, TTP and LJ are involved

Tuesday, October 20, 2009

By Amir Mir

LAHORE: Islamabad has informed Tehran that Jundallah (or Soldiers of God), the Pakistan-based anti-Shia militant outfit, which has claimed responsibility for the October 18 deadly suicide attack in Zahedan, targeting Iranian Revolutionary Guards, is carrying out coordinated terrorist operations with the help of the Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) and the Lashkar-e-Jhangvi (LJ), to undermine Pak-Iran ties.

According to well-placed interior ministry sources in Islamabad, the explanation has been conveyed to Tehran after the Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad alleged that Sunday’s mayhem in Tehran had been plotted from neighbouring Pakistan. Ahmadinejad had further alleged that Abdolmalek Rigi, the chief of the Jundallah, who has claimed responsibility for the attack, operates from Pakistan.

Sources said during his Monday’s telephonic conversation with President Asif Zardari, his Iranian counterpart expressed deep concern over the failure of the Pakistani authorities to proceed against the Jundallah network in Balochistan and elsewhere despite having been provided specific intelligence information by Tehran. He said the Tehran attack could have been averted had Islamabad acted in time on the Iranian intelligence information.

While responding to the Iranian allegations, the ministry of interior has informed the concerned authorities in Tehran through the Pakistani ambassador that the October 10 Fidayeen attack on the General Headquarters of the Pakistan Army was also a coordinated operation which was carried out jointly by a select group of highly trained militants belonging to the Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan with the help of at least two Punjab-based militant organisations ñ the Lashkar-e-Jhangvi and the Jaish-e-Mohammad. The authorities in Islamabad have conveyed in their post Sunday attack talks with their Iranian counterparts that the enemies of Iran and Pakistan are common and are trying to sabotage the recently signed Pak-Iran gas pipeline project. The Iranian authorities were also apprised of the intelligence reports regarding a recent meeting between Abdul Malik Rigi and some top notches of the TTP.

The October 18 suicide attack was not the first such incident blamed on Pakistan. On May 28, 2009, Jundallah had carried out a deadly suicide bombing inside the Amirul Momenin Mosque in Zahedan, in Sistan-Balochistan province of Iran, killing 25 people. Pakistani ambassador to Tehran MB Abbasi was subsequently summoned by the Iranian foreign ministry and told that three Pakistanis - Haji Noti Zehi, Gholam Rasoul Zehi and Zabihollah Naroui have already confessed to smuggling explosives into Iran from Balochistan and passing them over to the suicide bomber. The trio was subsequently hanged in public in Zahedan on May 30. Almost a week after the hanging, hundreds of Baloch women and children took out a protest rally in Quetta on June 9, 2009 and threatened to target the Iranian nationals in Pakistan, as a reaction to the execution of the five Baloch nationals by the Iranian government.

Jundallah, also known in Iran as the Rigi group (after its ringleader, Abdul Malik Rigi), is a rebel militant group of Iranian Baloch, who claims to represent their minority’s rights in Iran’s southeast province of Sistan-Balochistan. Their hideout is in Pakistani Balochistan. Iran directly blames Jundallah for a series of cross-border guerrilla operations that have been going on since 2003, killing mostly Iranian soldiers and border guards. In the wake of the October 18 suicide bombing in Tehran, Islamabad faces tremendous pressure to arrest and extradite Jundallah chief Rigi, who is believed to be based in Balochistan. While asserting that the Pakistani law-enforcement agencies were making efforts to dismantle the Jundallah network from Balochistan, authoritative sources in the ministry of interior pointed out that the militant organisation in question has actually stepped up its anti-Iran activities following the June 15, 2008 extradition of Abdul Hamid Rigi, the brother of Jundallah chief, Abdolmalek Rigi, from Pakistan to Iran. Rigi is now being tried by an Iranian court on terrorism charges.

Initially, patronised by late Taliban commander Nek Mohammad, the Pakistan chapter of Jundallah usually draws its cadre from Jihadi and sectarian groups like the Sipah-e-Sahaba and the Lashkar-e-Jhangvi.

Lt-Gen Ahsan Salim Hayat, former corps commander of Karachi, was one of those high-profile personalities to have been targeted by the Pakistan chapter of Jundallah on June 10, 2004, killing 11 people including seven Army personnel when his convoy was ambushed near the Clifton bridge. Interestingly, there are those in the Pakistani establishment who insist that Jundullah was actually created by the mastermind of 9/11 attacks, Khalid Sheikh Muhammad. He was arrested in March 2003 from Rawalpindi and handed over to the Americans, after which Jundallah went wild. Soon after the Karachi attempt on the corps commander, the police were able to apprehend a group of Jundullah terrorists headed by an Arab, Musab Aruchi, who turned out to be a nephew of Khalid Sheikh with a million dollars on his head.

Jundallah was not without its support system in the port city of Karachi as it proceeded to avenge the arrest and handover of its mastermind after 2003. The support system included two MBBS doctors. Dr Akmal Wahid, an orthopaedic surgeon, and his younger brother Dr Arshad Wahid, a heart specialist, were convicted in 2005 by an anti-terrorism court which sent them behind bars for 18 years on charges of “causing disappearance of evidence by harbouring and providing medical treatment to activists of banned Jundallah group”. There were protest marches in Karachi and Lahore by pious doctors when the two doctors were sentenced. As Dr Arshad Wahid was bailed out almost a year later, he got killed in a US missile attack in the Wana on March 16, 2009. According to recent intelligence information passed on to the ministry of interior, the Jundallah network is still active in Karachi and intends to carry out hostage taking operation for the release of its leader Sheikh Attaur Rehman alias Zubair, who is currently imprisoned in Karachi Central jail after the Anti-Violent Crime Unit arrested him in 2003 from his hideout in Model colony, Karachi.

Pakistan tells Iran: Jundallah, TTP and LJ are involved
 

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