Investing in Pakistani property, safe?

[ghoul]

Anyways, I hope some butthurt members would stop quoting me. Coming back to the topic at hand, do you plan on living on the property you want to invest in or sell it?

And man DHA societies were really high standard back in the day, but it's really disappointing at how less parks and green areas they leave in the more newer phases. Like check out DHA phase 8 on google street view, and not a public park or sports ground can be seen within kilometers.

 

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Anyways, I hope some butthurt members would stop quoting me. Coming back to the topic at hand, do you plan on living on the property you want to invest in or sell it?

And man DHA societies were really high standard back in the day, but it's really disappointing at how less parks and green areas they leave in the more newer phases. Like check out DHA phase 8 on google street view, and not a public park or sports ground can be seen within kilometers.

Butt hurt ? Lol the only one person I can see who is whining like a little B$$$$ is you, I am now pretty damn sure you got your little *** handed over by some Punjabi, man we all are not same. If some Punjabi did something bad to you in school, that does not mean we all are evil Punjabis lol. Please when will this new Province come into existence ?

 

[ali_raza]

sukh chen lahore

 

[Kabira]

The people who do mujras in Potohar are usually jatts and gujjar. They either learnt it from you people, or brought it from Punjab. From many elder folks I have heard that they had no idea what a mujra was back in their day. And I don't hate most Punjabis, but that wouldn't change the reality that we are exploited by Punjabis like Riaz Malik and the Punjabi politicians. Admit it, these Chaudharies and Butts call the shots in both Potohar and Seraiki waseb. And no I'm not a shiite, but some local shiites did send a number Punjabi mullahs to hell last year when many ASWJ members were killed.

ff.

After secterian bs now your bring tribal bs along with it, typical pendu potohari who get beaten by his own wife. Even in heeramandi kanjris are from multan shia adha, and here is video of chakwal mujra where kanjris are dancing on shia religious songs. I bet these are raja kanjris.

Not to forget your constant crying of how AJK or Hindko people don't consider themselves potoharis. Lets face it only Jhelum and Rawalpindi is potohari districts, chakwal and attock are hindko people. Mirpuris who are indeed potoharis but they rather be known as kashmiris. And chaudhry of Q are your best bet to divide punjab because other parties are against it. So its central punjabi party who want more provinces.

And unlike you i have sources to back up my claims. Islamabad

"The mother tongue of the majority of the population is Punjabi, at 72%. 10% of the population are native Sindhi speakers, 10% are native Pushto speakers, and 8% other languages." Source 1998 census

8% other languages which mean either Hindko, potohari, seraiki etc because these dialects are no longer considered punjabi since 1981 census.

You will only find pinds with potohari majority. Now f off and and don't dare to talk like that in real life against some village pendu from Gujranwala division, because then your potohari sher myth will be broken in to pieces.

edit: and stop this secterian bs in every thread, shias are not the only ones getting killed by terrorists. I personally hate the fact shias like you have been targetted by terrorists, magher teri sui siref gujranwala punjabis per athaki hai jho khud barelwis hai.

 

[Judge]

Yeah good for you buddy. No one is telling you to divide Punjab. It's just that we are not Punjabis, and the land where we live is not Punjab. It was forcibly made a part of "Punjab" by Ranjit Singh as was Himachal Pradesh and Haryana in India. Corrupt Punjabi politicians are victimizing us and stealing our resources. We are Pakistani, but we are not Punjabi. Now piss off.

Why dont you divide the state?
Haryana and Himachal Pradesh were not Punjabis and did not use Punjabi language. They wanted a separate identity and got them a long time back.

Why does GoP not split Pakistani Punjab into separate provinces if it is the case that a big enough area is non-Punjabi ?

 

[Kabira]

Why dont you divide the state?
Haryana and Himachal Pradesh were not Punjabis and did not use Punjabi language. They wanted a separate identity and got them a long time back.

Why does GoP not split Pakistani Punjab into separate provinces if it is the case that a big enough area is non-Punjabi ?

The party who want to divide punjab has been reduced to few seats. Potohar is very small area of 4 districts out of 32 in Punjab and food insecure region, poor and without any resources. And potohari politicians are mostly in bed with N who is against dividing punjab.

 

[ghoul]

After secterian bs now your bring tribal bs along with it, typical pendu potohari who get beaten by his own wife. Even in heeramandi kanjris are from multan shia adha, and here is video of chakwal mujra where kanjris are dancing on shia religious songs.

Not to forget your constant crying of how AJK or Hindko people don't consider themselves potoharis. Lets face it only Jhelum and Rawalpindi is potohari districts, chakwal and attock are hindko people. Mirpuris who are indeed potoharis but they rather be known as kashmiris. And chaudhry of Q are your best bet to divide punjab because other parties are against it. So its central punjabi party who want more provinces.

And unlike you i have sources to back up my claims. Islamabad

"The mother tongue of the majority of the population is Punjabi, at 72%. 10% of the population are native Sindhi speakers, 10% are native Pushto speakers, and 8% other languages." Source 1998 census

8% other languages which mean either Hindko, potohari, seraiki etc because these dialects are no longer considered punjabi since 1981 census.

You will only find pinds with potohari majority. Now f off and and don't dare to talk like that in real life against some village pendu from Gujranwala division, because then your potohari sher myth will be broken in to pieces.

I might have said too much against Punjabis in general. I like you as a user on PDF for we've had a history of bashing Indians. So I apologize to you. I was pumped by these two users acting all imperialist.

And no, PML-Q is not in favour of Punjab's division. Trust me on that. A separate province is the need of the hour because it's reality that all these SSP people are exported from central Punjab and destroying our peace. Not to mention Malik Riazes and Taji Khokhars.

As for Chakwal and Attock, they all consider themselves Potohari. Potohar has many different dialects. Like people of Murree speak the same language as Sudhans of AJK(Pahari), yet they are the most vocal for a Potohar province. The standard Potohari is only spoken in Jhelum Tehsil, Mirpur and Rawalpindi. In the western regions of Jhelum, they speak the same hindko resembling dialects that are spoken in Chakwal, Attock etc. With that said, Chakwali people are even more aware of their Potohari identity than a lot of Jhelumis in my experience. Chakwali language is essentially Hindko-Potohari hybrid.

The party who want to divide punjab has been reduced to few seats. Potohar is very small area of 4 districts out of 32 in Punjab and food insecure region, poor and without any resources. And potohari politicians are mostly in bed with N who is against dividing punjab.

Best quality coal is in Chakwal, there are oil fields in Attock and Jhelum. We are the most resource rich region of Punjab lol. Water shortages and arable land is an issue.

Why dont you divide the state?
Haryana and Himachal Pradesh were not Punjabis and did not use Punjabi language. They wanted a separate identity and got them a long time back.

Why does GoP not split Pakistani Punjab into separate provinces if it is the case that a big enough area is non-Punjabi ?

It was actually the Sikhs, who feared Hindu political power of Haryana and Himachal that they separated themselves from the two regions. In Pakistan, there's a strong demand for a Seraiki and Hindkowan province, but the government is afraid that it would start a storm in Karachi, where the biharis are demanding Karachi to become their own province.

 

[Kabira]

I might have said too much against Punjabis in general. I like you as a user on PDF for we've had a history of bashing Indians. So I apologize to you. I was pumped by these two users acting all imperialist.

And no, PML-Q is not in favour of Punjab's division. Trust me on that. A separate province is the need of the hour because it's reality that all these SSP people are exported from central Punjab and destroying our peace. Not to mention Malik Riazes and Taji Khokhars.

As for Chakwal and Attock, they all consider themselves Potohari. Potohar has many different dialects. Like people of Murree speak the same language as Sudhans of AJK(Pahari), yet they are the most vocal for a Potohar province. The standard Potohari is only spoken in Jhelum Tehsil, Mirpur and Rawalpindi. In the western regions of Jhelum, they speak the same hindko resembling dialects that are spoken in Chakwal, Attock etc. With that said, Chakwali people are even more aware of their Potohari identity than a lot of Jhelumis in my experiences. Chakwali language is essentially Hindko-Potohari hybrid.



Best quality coal is in Chakwal, there are oil fields in Attock and Jhelum. We are the most resource rich region of Punjab lol. Water shortages and arable land is an issue.

I never talk against any Pakistani ethnicity but and i don't know why you keep insulting central punjabis. Most people i know around me are what other call barelwis which is just little better then shias for extremists. And lets say Taji Khokhar is from central punjab, but his team mates were Potoharis just going by their surnames. Khokhar brother partners were janjuas who i am pretty sure are most likely potoharis even if some janjuas also live in central punjab.

So money is involved here and not punjabi vs potohari as you say around on pdf. And Malik Riaz is from Sialkot but Taji Khokhar? Are you sure he is from central punjab? It does not matter but i can't find any source. I mean you was sure Aziz was central punjabi but he is actually from South Punjab.

And the point was hindkos do not considered themselves potoharis, neither do Azad Kashmiris. So if some punjabi claim abbotabad as punjabi (its usually pashtuns who call these people punjabis and not us) its similar to how you claim Hazarawal, Azad Kashmiris etc as potoharis.

And as i said Q is your best bet to divide punjab. There is no such a thing as punjabi nationalism thats why central punjab party like PMLQ do not care if punjab gets divided.

 

[ghoul]

I never talk against any Pakistani ethnicity but and i don't know why you keep insulting central punjabis. Most people i know around me are what other call barelwis which is just little better then shias for extremists. And lets say Taji Khokhar is from central punjab, but his team mates were Potoharis just going by their surnames. Khokhar brother partners were janjuas who i am pretty sure are most likely potoharis even if some janjuas also live in central punjab.

So money is involved here and not punjabi vs potohari as you say around on pdf. And Malik Riaz is from Sialkot but Taji Khokhar? Are you sure he is from central punjab? It does not matter but i can't find any source. I mean you was sure Aziz was central punjabi but he is actually from South Punjab.

And the point was hindkos do not considered themselves potoharis, neither do Azad Kashmiris. So if some punjabi claim abbotabad as punjabi (its usually pashtuns who call these people punjabis and not us) its similar to how you claim Hazarawal, Azad Kashmiris etc as potoharis.

And as i said Q is your best bet to divide punjab. There is no such a thing as punjabi nationalism thats why central punjab party like PMLQ do not care if punjab gets divided.

Which particular Janjua are you talking about? And yes quite a number of traitors among us joined Taji Khokhar. Taji is from Sargodha. My point is that had these Khokhars and Riazes not protected by the Lahore government, they would have gone into a jail from the very start. The local Potohari politicians like Chaudhary Nisar, Chaudhary Tanveer, Nayeer Bukhari etc hate these Khokhars and Riaz Maliks. But since Potohari politicians don't even rule their own districts, they could only do jack !@#$ about them. PML-N has reconciled with the Malik Riaz and Taji Khokhars. It was Chaudhary Nisar who got him caught with the help of the army.

 

[Kabira]

Which particular Janjua are you talking about? And yes quite a number of traitors among us joined Taji Khokhar. Taji is from Sargodha. My point is that had these Khokhars and Riazes not protected by the Lahore government, they would have gone into a jail from the very start. The local Potohari politicians like Chaudhary Nisar, Chaudhary Tanveer, Nayeer Bukhari etc hate these Khokhars and Riaz Maliks. But since Potohari politicians don't even rule their own districts, they could only do jack !@#$ about them. PML-N has reconciled with the Malik Riaz and Taji Khokhars. It was Chaudhary Nisar who got him caught with the help of the army.

i was talking about this case.

"Following his compliant, Koral Police has registered a case (FIR No. 180) under section 468/471, 447/420 PPC. The persons nominated in this FIR are Muhammad Nawaz Khokhar, Afzal Khokhar, Imtiaz alias Taji Khokhar, Siddiq Sadiq, Yaqub Sadiq, Shah Nawaz Janjua, Imtiaz Janjua, Mustafa Janju, Zahoor (Naib Tehsildar) and Rana Fazal Din (Tehsildar Rawalpindi)."

FIR registered against Nawaz Khokhar and 9 others - thenews.com.pk

Even if Khokhars are central punjabi then other 7 are potoharis. And its not about being traitors, the men you have in avatar is khatthar and dominant political family of Attock who are khattars also are in bed with Chaudhrys. Zain Elahi parliment member from Attock mother is sister of Pervaz Elahi. And Zain Elahi sister is married to some cheema from Sialkot.

Khokhars i am pretty sure can be from anywhere. Sargodha division which also have Potohari speaking areas to be fair.

Sargodha District - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And the fact that Sargodha district village people do not speak Gujranwala punjabi but their own dialect Shahpuri which is mixture of majhi, potohari and Thalochi dialects.

And here is list of districts under Sargodha division

• Sargodha District
• Khushab District
• Mianwali District
• Bhakkar District
• Jhang District

Edit: And khokhars are dead, they have payed the price. Its been more then year now. Ofcouse no one can touch Malik Riaz because he is real don like Altaf Bhai. Khokhars are just peons who do dirty work on others behalf.

And you also blamed Aziz shenanigans on central punjabis, i don't what you have against Gujranwala division people but i hope you tune down your hatred. take care

 

[Winchester]

@ghoul I do agree with you on the need for smaller administrative units that includes the Pindi region
But i was born and have lived here all my life and i don't see any active movement here for a separate province
The most i have seen are a few banners
Perhaps in the adjoining rural areas but certainly not in main Pindi
I am talking about Raja Bazar...Eid Gah..Sadr !
Another point is Pindi has become a melting pot which includes not only Punjabis...Pukhtoons and lately a lot of migration from gilgit area..
Finally about Attock the people living their are called Chachis and i don't think they speak potohari..
These are just my personal observations obviously you seem to know a lot more about the region so feel free to correct me...

 

[ghoul]

And i was talking about this case.

"Following his compliant, Koral Police has registered a case (FIR No. 180) under section 468/471, 447/420 PPC. The persons nominated in this FIR are Muhammad Nawaz Khokhar, Afzal Khokhar, Imtiaz alias Taji Khokhar, Siddiq Sadiq, Yaqub Sadiq, Shah Nawaz Janjua, Imtiaz Janjua, Mustafa Janju, Zahoor (Naib Tehsildar) and Rana Fazal Din (Tehsildar Rawalpindi)."

FIR registered against Nawaz Khokhar and 9 others - thenews.com.pk

Even if Khokhars are central punjabi then other 7 are potoharis. And its not about being traitors, the men you have in avatar is khatthar and dominant political family of Attock who are khattars also are in bed with Chaudhrys. Zain Elahi parliment member from Attock mother is sister of Pervaz Elahi. And Zain Elahi sister is married to some cheema from Sialkot.

Khokhars i am pretty sure can be from anywhere. Sargodha division which also have Potohari speaking areas to be fair.

Sargodha District - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And the fact that Sargodha district village people do not speak Gujranwala punjabi but their own dialect Shahpuri which is mixture of majhi, potohari and Thalochi dialects.

And here is list of districts under Sargodha division

• Sargodha District
• Khushab District
• Mianwali District
• Bhakkar District
• Jhang District

As I said, we have had many traitors amongst us. These Janjuas would only be their henchmen most likely. What really put me off were the reports of Riaz Malik's support for lal masjid and ssp. Like how much can you hate the local people? And I started bashing Punjabis after this one guy said that reputable land developers like Bahria should evict even more villagers. Blame these two Punjabi guys here, who are talking as if we are a colony of central Punjabis. To you, I already apologized for we have an alliance against Indian bhaiyyas lol.

As for Zain Elahi, I don't think he's Pervez Elahi's nephew. It's Malik Aitbar Khan of Khunda(Jodhra rajputs), who is. And are you sure about Zain Elahi's brother in law being a Cheema? It's rather odd for Potohari ruling clans to give wives to Punjabi jatts.

@ghoul I do agree with you on the need for smaller administrative units that includes the Pindi region
But i was born and have lived here all my life and i don't see any active movement here for a separate province
The most i have seen are a few banners
Perhaps in the adjoining rural areas but certainly not in main Pindi
I am talking about Raja Bazar...Eid Gah..Sadr !
Another point is Pindi has become a melting pot which includes not only Punjabis...Pukhtoons and lately a lot of migration from gilgit area..
Finally about Attock the people living their are called Chachis and i don't think they speak potohari..
These are just my personal observations obviously you seem to know a lot more about the region so feel free to correct me...

Chaachis are from Attock tehsil. They speak pure Hindko like that in Haripur etc. Due to their UK diaspora, people think all Chaachis are pathans when in reality they are just a part of chaach. The gangsta people of Chaach are the Malik Awans from Shamsabad, and the political contest is largely between Khattars and Awans in Chaach. The people from Pindigheb, Fateh Jhang etc speak Talagang like Hindko-Potohari hybrid.

About Pakhtuns, what would be their percentage now? Don't you think their influx should be checked? Like I have no issue with them, but there needs to be a limit. Like I wouldn't want Islamabad-Rawalpindi city to become a Peshawar. Yes we are brothers, but that's just not right.

 

[faisal6309]

Nowhere is safe except Bahria and Defence sectors.

 

[Kabira]

As I said, we have had many traitors amongst us. These Janjuas would only be their henchmen most likely. What really put me off were the reports of Riaz Malik's support for lal masjid and ssp. Like how much can you hate the local people? And I started bashing Punjabis after this one guy said that reputable land developers like Bahria should evict even more villagers. Blame these two Punjabi guys here, who are talking as if we are a colony of central Punjabis. To you, I already apologized for we have an alliance against Indian bhaiyyas lol.

As for Zain Elahi, I don't think he's Pervez Elahi's nephew. It's Malik Aitbar Khan of Khunda(Jodhra rajputs), who is. And are you sure about Zain Elahi's brother in law being a Cheema? It's rather odd for Potohari ruling clans to give wives to Punjabi jatts.

Obviously i never supported any illegal evictions of poor people in the name of development. They should have been compensated by giving flats/homes in Bahria Town plus money.

Zain Elahi mother is sister of Chaudhrys, pretty well known fact. And Zain sister is married to some cheema who is from PMLQ.

"Mr Zain is the only son of ex-district nazim Major (Retired) Tahir Sadik Khan and also the PML-Q chief Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain’s nephew. He has for the first time contested the election with the support of his father and his Khattar Biraderi (clan)."

Youngest MNA elected from NA-59 - Newspaper - DAWN.COM

Walima (Marriage) News of Zain Elahi MNA, So Major Tahir Sadiq of Bahtar village, Attock.

One source is in urdu. Obviously educated people do not care about tribes anymore. But politicians do when they ask for votes in villages yet marry other politicians who belong to different tribes.

 

[Winchester]

As I said, we have had many traitors amongst us. These Janjuas would only be their henchmen most likely. What really put me off were the reports of Riaz Malik's support for lal masjid and ssp. Like how much can you hate the local people? And I started bashing Punjabis after this one guy said that reputable land developers like Bahria should evict even more villagers. Blame these two Punjabi guys here, who are talking as if we are a colony of central Punjabis. To you, I already apologized for we have an alliance against Indian bhaiyyas lol.

As for Zain Elahi, I don't think he's Pervez Elahi's nephew. It's Malik Aitbar Khan of Khunda(Jodhra rajputs), who is. And are you sure about Zain Elahi's brother in law being a Cheema? It's rather odd for Potohari ruling clans to give wives to Punjabi jatts.



Chaachis are from Attock tehsil. They speak pure Hindko like that in Haripur etc. Due to their UK diaspora, people think all Chaachis are pathans when in reality they are just a part of chaach. The gangsta people of Chaach are the Malik Awans from Shamsabad, and the political contest is largely between Khattars and Awans in Chaach. The people from Pindigheb, Fateh Jhang etc speak Talagang like Hindko-Potohari hybrid.

About Pakhtuns, what would be their percentage now? Don't you think their influx should be checked? Like I have no issue with them, but there needs to be a limit. Like I wouldn't want Islamabad-Rawalpindi city to become a Peshawar. Yes we are brothers, but that's just not right.

Well it may create social problems in the future if their is no integration but you can't stop immigration from other parts of your own country so here i have to disagree with you....it would mean the end of the federation
Plus Pukhtoons do adapt to local culture !
What are you thoughts on may be Pindi being made part of Islamabad or maybe considered a federal area
Already it is almost surrounded on three sides by Islamabad!