Safriz
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Whatever you said about Ayub khan may have happened but there's no credible evidence of that.Are you saying that the average Brit is somehow more deserving of democratic self rule and free speech? Or that the average Pakistani is an idiot and too stupid? Let's just say I am perfectly familiar with the outside world, and I have compared the avg Pakistani with people elsewhere, I have faith in my countrymen.
Also... that part in bold is completely wrong. If I called someone an idiot, would it be libel and defamation until I produced an IQ test that confirmed it?
Please look up libel and defamation, you can have both free speech and also limits to free speech with libel laws. Their application is strict, requires a lot of evidence, and certainly doesn't apply to insults.
Why? Do you not believe there are examples of both? I'm sure I don't need to give you examples of civilian leaders, so I'll just give you the example of Ayub Khan, in addition to being a dictator, this morally bankrupt individual oversaw corruption while in office, his family wealth during the mid-60s was estimated by foreign journalists to be in the region of USD10-20m (a lot of money at the time), nepotism whereby he removed highly qualified CSS officers replacing them with cronies, family etc. His corruption also involved taking over or stakes in businesses, the British High Commission commented on how quickly his family developed their wealth in power. In addition, he also went on to oversee the maligning of Fatima Jinnah and the election rigging of the 1965 presidential election. He and his ilk are also credited by some for instigating the Karachi ethnic riots and murder of some opposition.
I'm sure some people on this forum have a rosy image of Ayub, doubtless he comes across as some sort of credible leader who oversaw a lot of progress in the 60s. The truth is altogether worse.
How about everyone behaves and acts professionally and morally at all times, civilian and army? And then we can treat them equally too, you said it yourself armymen are citizens too.
From your own website, here's an example of who is being relieved of their citizenship:
https://www.thebureauinvestigates.c...overnment-cracks-down-on-uk-fighters-in-syria
Those laws are there basically to go after individuals against whom there is very credible evidence that their presence would be damaging, e.g returned fighters from Syria, or people who lied in order to gain citizenship but were later found out.
But there's is credible evidence of the good work he did.
All the Pakistani irrigation system still in use was made in his era . All the major dams such as Turbela and Mangla were built in his era.
No so called democratic government after him could build a dam .
The entire Pakistani industrial base was built in his era , later destroyed by democracy of Bhutto.
Pakistan Atomic energy commission , PCSIR and many research and educational institutions built by him.
The largest dam to this date in Bangladesh was also built by Ayub khan.
Then the public benefit schemes such as housing for the poor. From those who saw Ayub khan era I heard that basic needs and food was dirt cheap. Housing was subsidised by government and even lowest income earners such as richshaw diver could buy a house made by government.
About dictatorship. I rather have a dictator like him than a democracy like Asif Zardari.
And yes Pakistani people are too corrupt and stupid to have the right to vote.
I don't see any British voters selling their vote for a plate of rice.
This happens abundantly in Pakistan.
In fact most votes casters either have no choice as they are tenants on landlords lands and have to vote for him or whoever told by him. Others vote for the highest bidder or just zaat biradri .
That's why when you sit on your high chair thinking that Pakistanis are West European and should have the same system of government, also look at the 100 rupee voters . Voting for corrupted and convicted politicians and the stolen manhole covers.
None of which happens in Europe.
I also agree but on one condition.I agree but on one condition.
Like America, military should stop interfering in politics and stop doing coup detat and only stay at borders just like American army does.
Failing that, be prepared for same criticism that politicians face.
By the way, it's the generals people have a problem with who interfere with proper functioning of the country. The soldiers everyone respects regardless of which dictator is in season.
Whose job it is? Or should little children be allowed to lose limbs and die horribly?
Military should stop interfering in politics when same as Americans , Pakistani people stop selling their votes for a plate of biryani and 100 rupees. Deal?
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