INSAS Excalibur & MCIWS Ghatak Assault Rifles to Replace Indian Army's Standard Issue INSAS Rifles

[IndoUS]

Yup they best suit for training only and not for actual battle.

Could you explain more?

 

[jung41]

Could you explain more?

No just read the post where CRPF jawans said that these insas are incapale of fighting naxalitists........ don't have the link for it.

 

[IndoUS]

No just read the post where CRPF jawans said that these insas are incapale of fighting naxalitists........ don't have the link for it.

That is because they want the AK-47 which is used by COIN units which has greater stopping power because of the 7.62 rounds. One of the main reason the army uses AKs in the coin operation is because there is no point in maiming the target since they are fighting non state actors. The militants are not there for full blown war rather to inflict as much damage before they are taken out, and they already plan to die rather get captured so there is no point in using the lower caliber round.

The guns that CRPF usually gets are the older versions that army phases out, since the army already gets the upgraded versions of guns and gives the older versions that are in stockpile to local police.

 

[NKVD]

Yup they best suit for training only and not for actual battle.

Really Kargil was Fought With Insas. Almost Every Military or Paramilitary Forces in Country Using INSAS and its Variants for Decade Now. Go check Out other variants of INSAS which are lighter and more Effective
I Don't think you ever operated Firearm yourself.Do you ??

 

[acetophenol]

This news has been in discussion in other forums like defencceforumindia for sometime. What I understand is that, the Multi-Cal rifle Army wants is splitted into two- InIndigenous MCWS for bulk issue and foreign issue for special issue.

And this will take several years to be complete. In the meantime Army is looking for Excalibur as an immediate replacement/complement to the INSAS,which serve us in case the Multi-Cal rifle is delayed further or if the Multi-Cal rifle faces any issue once in service.

 

[SrNair]

Army zeroes in on Made in India rifles to replace INSAS
The performance of the DRDO-designed 'Excalibur' assault rifle in trials last month at the Armament Research and Development Establishment in Pune has further enthused the Army.
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INSAS EXCALIBUR MARK-I ​

The Indian Army has decided to go for an indigenous assault rifle to replace the problematic INSAS rifles. The decision that could save thousands of crores in foreign exchange and boost local manufacture was taken recently by Army Chief General Dalbir Singh. The Army then cancelled a problematic Rs 4,848 crore order for importing Multi Caliber Assault Rifles on June 15-first reported by Mail Today on July 1.

"We are going in for a designed and Made in India rifle in keeping with the government's indigenisation thrusts," senior Army sources told Mail Today.

The performance of the DRDO-designed 'Excalibur' assault rifle in trials last month at the Armament Research and Development Establishment (ARDE) in Pune has further enthused the Army. The Excalibur had only two stoppages (where the bullet gets stuck in the breech) after 24,000 rounds were fired, close to the Army's specifications of only one stoppage.

Multi Caliber Individual Weapon System (MCIWS) / Ghatak​

New features

The Excalibur is an improved version of the INSAS rifle and fires 5.56x45 mm ammunition. It has full-automatic capability over the INSAS which can only fire a three-round burst. The Excalibur barrel is shorter by 4 mm, has a side folding butt stock and features a Picatinny rail, a universal mount that allows a range of weapon sights and sensors to be fitted on the rifle.

DRDO officials say it will take the OFB's Rifle Factory Ishapore at least eight months to incorporate design changes suggested by the ARDE and field the first prototypes of what they are calling the 'Modified INSAS Rifle' (MIR). Changes suggested after trials include a smaller handguard and improved polycarbonate magazine.

If the Excalibur/MIR clears trials, it could be in the hands of infantry soldiers within two years, DRDO officials say. The DRDO is designing a second version of the Excalibur, the AR-2 that fires 7.62x39 mm rounds used by AK-47. The AR-2 will be offered as an alternative to the Russianorigin assault rifle.

The Army's 2011 tender was for a Multi Caliber Assault Rifle or for a weapon that could fire INSAS and AK-47 ammunition with a barrel change.

Five international firms - Beretta of Italy, Israeli Weapons Industries (IWI), Colt Defense of the US, Ceska Zbplojovka of Czech Republic and SiG Sauer of Switzerland-were shortlisted for the trials.

However, Army officials now admit the specifications were poorly drafted and unrealistic.

Source:- Exclusive: Made in India rifles to replace INSAS : Mail Today, News - India Today

lol
That was funny.
Hopes they have been enjoyed with those foreign mals before thy ffailed their own so called specification and requirements.

 

[Perpendicular]

At least they got the colour combination right with composite material in grip and butt.

 

[jung41]

That is because they want the AK-47 which is used by COIN units which has greater stopping power because of the 7.62 rounds. One of the main reason the army uses AKs in the coin operation is because there is no point in maiming the target since they are fighting non state actors. The militants are not there for full blown war rather to inflict as much damage before they are taken out, and they already plan to die rather get captured so there is no point in using the lower caliber round.

The guns that CRPF usually gets are the older versions that army phases out, since the army already gets the upgraded versions of guns and gives the older versions that are in stockpile to local police.

Still i think Private Indian defense company can maintain and deliver quality, upgrade to technology and even can export to friendly nations.

 

[SrNair]

You should give a tender and this Gun from DRDO should compete for the order against Gun from around the world than select one.

Five international firms - Beretta of Italy, Israeli Weapons Industries (IWI), Colt Defense of the US, Ceska Zbplojovka of Czech Republic and SiG Sauer of Switzerland-were shortlisted for the trials.

Really???
So you are saying those companies are just junks.

 

[jung41]

Really Kargil was Fought With Insas. Almost Every Military or Paramilitary Forces in Country Using INSAS and its Variants for Decade Now. Go check Out other variants of INSAS which are lighter and more Effective
I Don't think you ever operated Firearm yourself.Do you ??

Surely not operated except for AK 56

 

[IndoUS]

Still i think Private Indian defense company can maintain and deliver quality, upgrade to technology and even can export to friendly nations.

The question that would come is when, there is no private company in India that has ever license produced a gun let alone design one. The time it would take to setup a facility to actually manufacture a gun would take at least a year or two, not to mention the amount of time it would take actually absorb the knowledge to manufacture the gun.

 

[jung41]

The question that would come is when, there is no private company in India that has ever license produced a gun let alone design one. The time it would take to setup a facility to actually manufacture a gun would take at least a year or two, not to mention the amount of time it would take actually absorb the knowledge to manufacture the gun.

If so much time is wasted then let it be one year also...

 

[acetophenol]

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At least they got the colour combination right with composite material in grip and butt.
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These are the newer INSAS 1B1s in service now.

 

[Bang Galore]

The question that would come is when, there is no private company in India that has ever license produced a gun let alone design one. The time it would take to setup a facility to actually manufacture a gun would take at least a year or two, not to mention the amount of time it would take actually absorb the knowledge to manufacture the gun.

Not really, it is not exactly rocket science. The advantage private companies would have is to use foreign expertise without limitations. Bharat Forge have wanted to get into manufacturing small arms. They certainly don't lack the technical ability to do it.

 

[NKVD]

Surely not operated except for AK 56

AK-56 Its Either used By Militants or Chinese,Type-56 is Used As Standard Rifle in PLA.
you are Neither of Two.