INS Vikramaditya commissioned

[akand bharat]

But i suppose this ship will have its own air defense system "barak" ?

Yes "Barak 8" indo-israel But it will take time to be operational And will be fit in around 2017 till then it will Have to depend on ASOR Russian electronic warfare system fitted on the carrier. Those who participated said the ship's sensors picked up incoming aircraft at a distance of 350 km and, in some cases, even 400 km.Hope that it will be equiped with Barak-8 as soon Possible

 

[hkdas]

What is the significance and meaning of a Carrier Battle Group?

Carrier battle group - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Levina]

Yes; the aircraft for the ship have been acquired in a different but related deal-- 20 MiG-29Ks if I'm not mistaken apart from Ka-31s and Ka-28s for AEW and ASW.

Hmmm so is it like getting a 250ml bottle free when buying a 500ml cola bottle??
Just kidding...

I wanted to know about this deal because earlier @kaykay's statement had confused me a bit

2. Price escalations were definitely an issue with Vikramaditya but think about our indigenous IAC-1. as per initial reports Our own Vikrant will cost us $2.2 Billion(only carrier, no defence systems and fighters) while whole project(fighters, defence equipments, trails etc) will cost $5 Billions. So now a days no carrier will cost you below 2.5 billions.

I am sure you both made contradicting statements,so i just confirmed it.

 

[[Bregs]]

Yes "Barak 8" indo-israel But it will take time to be operational And will be fit in around 2017 till then it will Have to depend on ASOR Russian electronic warfare system fitted on the carrier. Those who participated said the ship's sensors picked up incoming aircraft at a distance of 350 km and, in some cases, even 400 km.Hope that it will be equiped with Barak-8 as soon Possible

In trials ASOR Russian electronic warfare system, has worked exceedingly well

 

[hkdas]

In trials ASOR Russian electronic warfare system, has worked exceedingly well

any details about ASOR Russian electronic warfare system???

 

[Capt.Popeye]

it said on the news article, that the spoke person of the Navy denial a deal or offer ever exist



Again, i don't know how or what Indian Think, american think this deal was a hoax to begin with.

Just look why do we transfer Kitty Hawk for free to India?? If there are any agenda behind this deal, then it was to spike Russia. Transferring the Kitty Hawk did all the good stuff for India but did not do any good on the US .

Plus as i said, numerous classified tech is still in use Today in Nimitz Class. making it to transfer to an official Russia Allied unlikely. Kitty Hawk is today still in Reserve Service with US Navy, so if a deal was actually in talk back in 2008, would it be stupid to do so to talk about that then? Even if the deal did exist, and India say yes, there are no way India will get Kitty Hawk anywhere Prior to 2015, when the mandated reserve status have expired..

It will be more believable if a deal has surface this year or next when the Kitty Hawk got stuck from Naval register in 2015.

National Defense Reserve Fleet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Again, this is how American feel about the deal, as far as we concern, the deal was a hoax. There are more requirment and regulation we know and you don't know......

You can think whatever you want to! The facts of the matter are different. And you just gave away the fallacy of your argument(s) in the underlined part of you post.
The discussions DID NOT INVOLVE ANY FREE TRANSFER; THE SHIP WAS 'ON SALE' BASIS; in other simpler words- to be paid for.
The discussions did not proceed far; because the IN itself felt that the ship was not worth acquiring, it was unaffordable for all the reasons that I have explained earlier. Take a look at that.

You NEED to understand that USA has not OFFERED any Military Eqpt. for FREE to India, nor has India SOUGHT anything for FREE.
Every thing: the C-130Js, the C-17s, the P-8Is, the Apaches, Chinooks, the M-777 Howitzers are for SALE and India has either already or is proposing to PURCHASE them.
India is not looking for Free Gifts from the USA now; just as it did not get any earlier.
Maybe that will be understandable to you?

 

[Capt.Popeye]

Carrier battle group - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

HeHeHeh; I know that. That was just a rhetorical question.....

 

[Jai_Hind]

What is the significance and meaning of a Carrier Battle Group?

Can you explain why exactly does the ACC needs firepower if it always moves in CBG.... I mean all the other ships in the CBG performs this one task of defending the ACC....

 

[MKI 30]

HeHeHeh; I know that. That was just a rhetorical question.....

LOL. Please ask him if he was being sarcastic? I have been reading your posts for some time now and i respect the knowledge you have especially about Naval Warfare.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

Can you explain why exactly does the ACC needs firepower if it always moves in CBG.... I mean all the other ships in the CBG performs this one task of defending the ACC....

The Carrier needs only CIWS. The rest of the work will either get done by its aircraft and/or its screening ships.

 

[newdelhinsa]

Why news papers allow authors to publish such articles ? Just for sake of filling the empty space ?

 

[Capt.Popeye]

LOL. Please ask him if he was being sarcastic? I have been reading your posts for some time now and i respect the knowledge you have especially about Naval Warfare.

Thanks for the sentiment. I do not know everything, I know a few things. Though I try to ensure that they are things that matter. 

Why news papers allow authors to publish such articles ? Just for sake of filling the empty space ?

Anybody and everybody can become a Defence Specialist. Have'nt you seen that here, for instance?

 

[Jai_Hind]

The Carrier needs only CIWS. The rest of the work will either get done by its aircraft and/or its screening ships.

So isnt Kashtan CIWS enough..... why exectly does it neet Barracks

 

[jhungary]

You can think whatever you want to! The facts of the matter are different. And you just gave away the fallacy of your argument(s) in the underlined part of you post.
The discussions DID NOT INVOLVE ANY FREE TRANSFER; THE SHIP WAS 'ON SALE' BASIS; in other simpler words- to be paid for.
The discussions did not proceed far; because the IN itself felt that the ship was not worth acquiring, it was unaffordable for all the reasons that I have explained earlier. Take a look at that.

You NEED to understand that USA has not OFFERED any Military Eqpt. for FREE to India, nor has India SOUGHT anything for FREE.
Every thing: the C-130Js, the C-17s, the P-8Is, the Apaches, Chinooks, the M-777 Howitzers are for SALE and India has either already or is proposing to PURCHASE them.
India is not looking for Free Gifts from the USA now; just as it did not get any earlier.
Maybe that will be understandable to you?

lol dude, what you don't know is, Kitty Hawk is going to be mothballed until 2015, everyones know that, so if a talk happened on 2008 saying US will transfer Kitty Hawk after it retired (Decommission not Retire) of service will be transfer to India Navy, that does not make sense. As ship can be extent their length of service from mothballing by congress. Iowa is an example.

As far as i can make out is, India believe the deal is Free Kitty Hawk with 65 fighter bought, so i don't see what's wrong with the "Free Deal" comment

And what i said is true, no deal (Free or not free) were officially considered or offered. Unless you can provide something that countr what the Navy Spokeperson said publicly in 2008, i see no point in your argument.

As i said, this is what we believe, we believe India Manufacture the deal so they can get a better price offer from Russia, which make more sense than to talk about a transfer of a ship 7 years down the road.

 

[kaykay]

Shoddy journalism.
Journalist source would be RAW
If you add 1 billion in above cost then you will get Nimitz class Super Carrier.
IAC-1 is planned cost is $500 million dollar which grew to near about $850 million dollar then how can aircrafts, helicopters, SAM, CIWS, Radar would cost more than $4 billion dollar.

Not really dude. It has indeed escalated that much. See this report from 2012. It also says same thing that earlier in 2003 it was planned for only 3000 crores or so but now only carrier(without air component) will cost between 14000-18000 crore.
Indian aircraft carrier: More costly, already delayed | NDTV.com
And as far as I know Nimitz class now cost around $13 Billion.