Information Pool & Analysis on Pakistan's AF Aspiration for Su-35 / Su-35S - FLANKER-E

[New World]

24 for 2 billion is good deal. How many pakistan is planning to buy?

I think 40.

 

[Zain Malik]

NO PLANS TO BUY EVEN A SINGLE...
ACCESS DENIED TO SU-35.
JF-17 Block 3....
Coming Soon...

 

[Asian.Century]

NO PLANS TO BUY EVEN A SINGLE...
ACCESS DENIED TO SU-35.
JF-17 Block 3....
Coming Soon...

Su 35 is a much capable jet better than J-10 by many folds.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Su 35 is a much capable jet better than J-10 by many folds.

Exactly how is much more capable? The only advantage is range/payload due to size and engine quality. In the era of Smart SOW platforms and the very short conflict cycles between Pakistan/India, both considerations are smaller than what they used to be ..

The Su-35's EW/ECM systems are much much inferior to the Chinese right now, and it is no where to be seen as a platform for network centric warfare.

The Su-35 is a relic of a by gone methodology in its design and approach to modern warfare ....

The J10C outclasses the Su-35 in every metric that is important to the PAF.

 

[Asian.Century]

Two squadron of Su-35s not a bad option for Pakistan, if Russian ties with Pakistan are good.

 

[Sinnerman108]

A) Well to make it more manoeuvrable and because of heavy radar on the noise alter the gravity.Center of Gravity.

B) use of less Titanium based Allow Alloy to keep the cost at optimum Minimum , now u will see Super SU30MKI can carry more load but the weight of the plane will remain same.

Yes it got Technology / Design inputs from SU-37 that's why Russian also order SU-30MKI based planes for its own Airforce.

You see son, you really ought to be paying more attention in school.
Cow shit can only take you so far.

 

[tbg Chengdu China]

су-35 is a great fighter plane with extremely suppress ability,with су-35 PAF can destroy any indian active aircraft,that's why 3.5th generation aircraft was born for, to crash 3th aircraft.
china even bought 24 of them after they have 4th generation(5th in Russian standard) fighter J-20 .and homemade Cy-27 (J-11). because Су-35 have more mature tech.
even though ,су-35 ‘s combat radius may too big for PAF, in the condition of PAF's first mission is annihilate indian invasion plane at the border. instead of long-distance raid.
but 1 or 2 squadron is good for PAF,as a sharp knife function.

 

[jupiter2007]

су-35 is a great fighter plane with extremely suppress ability,with су-35 PAF can destroy any indian active aircraft,that's why 3.5th generation aircraft was born for, to crash 3th aircraft.
china even bought 24 of them after they have 4th generation(5th in Russian standard) fighter J-20 .and homemade Cy-27 (J-11). because Су-35 have more mature tech.
even though ,су-35 ‘s combat radius may too big for PAF, in the condition of PAF's first mission is annihilate indian invasion plane at the border. instead of long-distance raid.
but 1 or 2 squadron is good for PAF,as a sharp knife function.

SU-35 maintenance and operational cost is almost twice compared to J-10C. It will be great addition if Pakistan can afford it.

 

[The Accountant]

Su35 is not required. Why would pakistan need a long range aircraft ? Pakistan do not have such a vast area to cover unlike india, china and usa ...

Max we need is a middle weight aircraft for air superiority role

 

[arjunk]

Su35 is not required. Why would pakistan need a long range aircraft ? Pakistan do not have such a vast area to cover unlike india, china and usa ...

Max we need is a middle weight aircraft for air superiority role

Pakistan has a large area to strike inside. Indian long range MLRS, SAMs, BMs, army units etc need to be hit.

If we strike the Indian army while it is mobilising, it will help us deal with their numerical advantage. For example, a group of IA units is moving from Lucknow to Amritsar and it's on NH91. If a jet can cluster bomb them, not only will it take out a large portion of the units but it will also destroy infrastructure deep inside India. If Mumbai port and the bridges connecting the city to India can be destroyed it will have a huge impact on India's economy.

By doing this, the PA can maintain its initial numerical advantage (as it can mobilise to the border much faster than IA) instead of slowly losing it. India might even be forced to go on the defensive, allowing PA to commit more units to offensives in Kashmir where they are already a shit ton of Indian soldiers, rather than worrying about hordes of Indian tanks coming to invade Punjab and Sindh.

We don't even need that many deep strike aircraft. Most of India's SA-3s and military assets are near the border with Pakistan (though they are slowly shifting their focus towards China after last year's wake up call). A few S-400s and long range missiles will be deeper inside India.

 

[ZedZeeshan]

Su35 is not required. Why would pakistan need a long range aircraft ? Pakistan do not have such a vast area to cover unlike india, china and usa ...

Max we need is a middle weight aircraft for air superiority role

It depends more on the doctrine rather then area.... Like Israel who uses F15, they also dont have a vast area to cover but their doctrine of war is extremely offensive...Pakistan war doctrine is defensive which allows to buy aircraft good enough to destroy forward enemy base and not to penetrate very deep

 

[The Accountant]

It depends more on the doctrine rather then area.... Like Israel who uses F15, they also dont have a vast area to cover but their doctrine of war is extremely offensive...Pakistan war doctrine is defensive which allows to buy aircraft good enough to destroy forward enemy base and not to penetrate very deep

Agreed but its not the case of defensive or offensive.

Adversary of israel are technically much inferior to israel. Israeli aircrafts can entered easily in syria, iraq, jordan and even egypt unlike india pakistan where air war will remain limited to borders only unlesa air superiority is achieved.

Israel has far higher number of aircraft and defence budget in comparison to its neighbour whereas we have 5 time lowwr budgets so u r comparing apple with oranges

Pakistan has a large area to strike inside. Indian long range MLRS, SAMs, BMs, army units etc need to be hit.

If we strike the Indian army while it is mobilising, it will help us deal with their numerical advantage. For example, a group of IA units is moving from Lucknow to Amritsar and it's on NH91. If a jet can cluster bomb them, not only will it take out a large portion of the units but it will also destroy infrastructure deep inside India. If Mumbai port and the bridges connecting the city to India can be destroyed it will have a huge impact on India's economy.

By doing this, the PA can maintain its initial numerical advantage (as it can mobilise to the border much faster than IA) instead of slowly losing it. India might even be forced to go on the defensive, allowing PA to commit more units to offensives in Kashmir where they are already a shit ton of Indian soldiers, rather than worrying about hordes of Indian tanks coming to invade Punjab and Sindh.

We don't even need that many deep strike aircraft. Most of India's SA-3s and military assets are near the border with Pakistan (though they are slowly shifting their focus towards China after last year's wake up call). A few S-400s and long range missiles will be deeper inside India.

Getting deep inside india in war will be a dangerous mission. For that we will use stand off weapons

 

[ZedZeeshan]

Agreed but its not the case of defensive or offensive.

Adversary of israel are technically much inferior to israel. Israeli aircrafts can entered easily in syria, iraq, jordan and even egypt unlike india pakistan where air war will remain limited to borders only unlesa air superiority is achieved.

Israel has far higher number of aircraft and defence budget in comparison to its neighbour whereas we have 5 time lowwr budgets so u r comparing apple with oranges

Getting deep inside india in war will be a dangerous mission. For that we will use stand off weapons

Mt friend argument is if Pak need SU 35 or not and I gave you example of Israel. even if her adversaries are strong Israel will still enter deep because its her doctrine..

 

[The Accountant]

Doctrine supported by unlimited fund and ammunition support from usa.

In case of war they will get additional aircraft and ammunition and we will get embargo.

They are not afraid of losing aircraft as rhey have it covered. We dont have this luxury my friend.

 

[ZedZeeshan]

Doctrine supported by unlimited fund and ammunition support from usa.

In case of war they will get additional aircraft and ammunition and we will get embargo.

They are not afraid of losing aircraft as rhey have it covered. We dont have this luxury my friend.

Bro right now I am drinking and no mood to use my brain.. i will reply you tomorrow after my hangover.. I hope you understand